[QUOTE=Lonestriper;34520836]Chivalry is a by-product of a male oriented power-structure and feminism is a movement which promotes a gender neutral power-structure. You are correct in extrapolating the differences but they are comparable since both are products of different approaches towards gender structure.[/QUOTE]
Well, I do not consider Chivalry as a by-product of a male oriented power-structure, but that might be me.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;34480822]You can't use world records for something like that. You would have to use average. Something like a world record could be due to more male runners or something else. Not to mention track is usually more then 100 meters and involves more stamina then simply muscle like a hundred meter would. In fact in Ultra Marathon Running women tend to do better then men on average.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the main difference in times at that point(over all) isn't actually speed or anything, it's stride. It's how long legs are and whatnot. Women by and large are shorter, and as such the record is slower.
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;34523683]Actually, the main difference in times at that point(over all) isn't actually speed or anything, it's stride. It's how long legs are and whatnot. Women by and large are shorter, and as such the record is slower.[/QUOTE]
you know, that actually makes sense.
wow i feel enlightened.
[QUOTE=junker|154;34523412]Well, I do not consider Chivalry as a by-product of a male oriented power-structure, but that might be me.[/QUOTE]
"well I will just ignore established ideas from intelligent theorists. that could just be me though"
Well I think your comment was unnecessary. It is my opinion, seriously chivalry is for me a social act of politeness. Being friendly to a girl has nothing to do with feminism or a product of male oriented power structure.
well chivalry has nothing to do with being friendly to a girl, i assume you'd be friendly to anyone regardless of their gender.
[QUOTE=junker|154;34524544]Well I think your comment was unnecessary. It is my opinion, seriously chivalry is for me a social act of politeness. Being friendly to a girl has nothing to do with feminism or a product of male oriented power structure.[/QUOTE]
being friendly to a girl also isn't chivalry
OP said that chivalry was if you treat a girl nice, for instance opening a door etc.
I thought that is was merely being friendly and a normal behavior and not directly connected to feminism. Like Thisispain menitoned.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34524622]well chivalry has nothing to do with being friendly to a girl, i assume you'd be friendly to anyone regardless of their gender.[/QUOTE]
You surely won't open doors for guys. Being nice is a matter of interest, for the most part.
[QUOTE=Seith;34525018]You surely won't open doors for guys. Being nice is a matter of interest, for the most part.[/QUOTE]
I open doors for people. It's called being polite.
If a delivery guy is struggling with a load of packages, you'd open a door for him wouldn't you?
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;34525067]I open doors for people. It's called being polite.
If a delivery guy is struggling with a load of packages, you'd open a door for him wouldn't you?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but not every person on the streets could use my help. My point still stands.
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;34523683]Actually, the main difference in times at that point(over all) isn't actually speed or anything, it's stride. It's how long legs are and whatnot. Women by and large are shorter, and as such the record is slower.[/QUOTE]
Speed is not determined by height. Sure it matters to a point (a midget probably isn't going to run that fast) but the height disparity between the two sexes isn't big enough for that to be much of a factor.
[QUOTE=Goberfish;34525786]Speed is not determined by height. Sure it matters to a point (a midget probably isn't going to run that fast) but the height disparity between the two sexes isn't big enough for that to be much of a factor.[/QUOTE]
You say it's not determined by height, yet later in the sentence you use it as a main factor for speed.
It's determined by a lot of factors, differences might not be big between the sexes, but the fact to the matter, is that they do exist.
Males, according to what it takes to run fast, will prevail women almost always.
This is unrelated, I drifted from the subject. Carry on on Feminism.
Naw, I think I'll continue being polite and holding the door open for people, oh and you know, being a good person, the fact they're a female has nothing to do with it.
[QUOTE=The one that is;34526166]Naw, I think I'll continue being polite and holding the door open for people, oh and you know, being a good person, the fact they're a female has nothing to do with it.[/QUOTE]
That sentence would work perfectly if being nice was a derivative of being polite. Being polite is modern conduct. A person can still be shitty regardless of how polite he is.
I hold the door open for all motherfuckers
[QUOTE=Turnips5;34526321]I hold the door open for all motherfuckers[/QUOTE]
Women, men, amorphous blobs, horses, slugs, jellyfish, there is not one I will not hold doors open for!
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34530450]Women, men, amorphous blobs, horses, slugs, jellyfish, there is not one I will not hold doors open for![/QUOTE]
Even if they don't want to go through the door.
[QUOTE=Seith;34525018]You surely won't open doors for guys. Being nice is a matter of interest, for the most part.[/QUOTE]
uh no i hold doors open for anyone as long as i'm not in a hurry.
if being nice is a matter of interest for you that's your weird problem but generally being nice and polite is what you just do in "civilized society".
opening a door isn't going to get you into anyone's pants.
As I said, I happily hold the door open to people irregardless of gender. I want to be nice and I hope people will be nice in return. Why should it matter what gender they are?
I've actually paid for dinner when I've been out with a man, I even invited the guy, I even persuaded guys who say they don't have enough money that it'd be fine because I'm paying. It's not that I am trying to make a point, it's so I can treat a guy I care about to a nice meal.
In general men may be stronger than women but that doesn't mean women aren't capable of common politeness. A woman can hold a door open for a man, it doesn't take much strength to do that, I'm weak as fuck and I do it all the time.
Chivalry has degraded so much that nowadays people just attribute it to door opening. There is much more to it, although thisispain vehemently asserted that most if not all interactions in older times where sexist in nature. I still maintain that true chivalry had nothing to do with sexism but is more the paradigm of our male-female interactions. The female - willing or unwilling was often considered that to be protected and cherished. Discomfort and danger was something men were made to do. This included the giving of coats, the direct causing of personal discomfort for the benefit of the woman and the general sacrifices of putting the woman first. Nowadays people think of chivalry as a bleeding heart tactic for the 'nice' guys to use, even though almost nobody truly upholds it in every sense. It is a social construct that has kept us together as a biological social group, it is dying out now and I for one hope that people start realizing its importance and place in the world.
Finally, thisispain, I appreciate your disagreeing with me, but next time could you be a bit more respectful. You speculate on the experience of another more than you analyze their argument. Although admittedly' my previous comment was poorly constructed, I would appreciate if you didnt treat me like I am some prepubescent child talking out of his ass. I'm not all knowing but I know some.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;34534079]It is a social construct that has kept us together as a biological social group, it is dying out now and I for one hope that people start realizing its importance and place in the world.[/QUOTE]
no it didn't, basic human civility and altruism did. chivalry has nothing to do with the social cohesion of society.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34531785]
opening a door isn't going to get you into anyone's pants.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I have a story about this one time...
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;34534079]it is dying out now and I for one hope that people start realizing its importance and place in the world.[/QUOTE]
you haven't really explained why i should care and not consider it disappearing a great thing...
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;34534079]Finally, thisispain, I appreciate your disagreeing with me, but next time could you be a bit more respectful. You speculate on the experience of another more than you analyze their argument. Although admittedly' my previous comment was poorly constructed, I would appreciate if you didnt treat me like I am some prepubescent child talking out of his ass. I'm not all knowing but I know some.[/QUOTE]
i don't respect people who don't respect women heheh
[QUOTE=thisispain;34537768]you haven't really explained why i should care and not consider it disappearing a great thing...
i don't respect people who don't respect women heheh[/QUOTE]
I do respect women, I think they're great and capable of many things that even men cant do. All I am saying is that the traditional role of chivalrous man and delicate woman is something really more tied into sexuality and societal relations than anything. Watch any sort of passionate dance including tango or the salsa and you will see what I mean by chivalry and the role of man being tied into sexuality and relation. I believe that without this relative sense between men and women sexuality would divulge into just a pursuit of pleasure rather than the proverbial cat and mouse. While this may not necessarily apply to homosexual couples, even a lot of them contain this relative tendency to have one figure be the protector and one be the gentler caring figure.
what's wrong with a "pursuit of pleasure"?
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;34539314]Watch any sort of passionate dance including tango or the salsa and you will see what I mean by chivalry and the role of man being tied into sexuality and relation.[/quote]
Yes, that is behavior influenced by social and cultural factors. Why exactly do we need it?
[quote]I believe that without this relative sense between men and women sexuality would divulge into just a pursuit of pleasure rather than the proverbial cat and mouse.[/QUOTE]
How is this bad?
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;34539314]I believe that without this relative sense between men and women sexuality would divulge into just a pursuit of pleasure rather than the proverbial cat and mouse. [/QUOTE]
Do you have any hobbies? Any favourite meal? Any favourite type of sport?
Tell me, why do you have especially this kind of of hobby or meal? The answer is because you feel pleasure by doing it. Many attributes of human life boil down to have a pleasurable feeling. Or not have pain.
The strife for personal success invented many technological developements, be it flying machines, automobiles or the Windows Operating System.
So why is this bad according to you?
[QUOTE=Impact1986;34555654]Do you have any hobbies? Any favourite meal? Any favourite type of sport?
Tell me, why do you have especially this kind of of hobby or meal? The answer is because you feel pleasure by doing it. Many attributes of human life boil down to have a pleasurable feeling. Or not have pain.
The strife for personal success invented many technological developements, be it flying machines, automobiles or the Windows Operating System.
So why is this bad according to you?[/QUOTE]
It's not inherently bad, it just doesn't make the person a good person either.
If all of life were the pursuit of pleasure over wholesome happiness, much of society would degenerate into a Babylon like archetype where everything is a means to the end of pleasure. I personally just believe in the man's traditional role that we have held in our species since we crawled out of a cave.
It is not so much the assigning of the disposable role to the man, but the idea that in a succesful relationship you cant have 2 rocks or 2 pussys (in the figurative sense) there will always be balance with one being the softer and one being the rock. It just seems to me to be a classic paradigm that should not be cast away as if it were the same as witch hunting.
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