[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;19047548]your
I'm just tired of agnosticism being cast off to the side like it is nothing.[/QUOTE]
What's the point of sitting on the fence between two sides of an argument that will eternally be in opposition.
Also, lol troll
[QUOTE=Gorgonoth;19047575]I was talking to Moffins, he acts just like an angsty teen that thinks he's right and everyone is wrong. I wasn't saying anything about religion, how about we read through the thread before posting eh?[/QUOTE]
tl;dr
why do so many athiests believe that just because there's no god there's no afterlife either? Does no one consider the idea that the consciousness might survive after the death of the body? Or do you believe anything or anyone that even hints that an afterlife exists is bullshit? Why do you have to believe in a god to believe in an afterlife?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;19047562]No he was correct with "you're"
Did that sander reach your brain or something?[/QUOTE]
He was referring to our dumbfucks, or per se, your dumbfuck.
[QUOTE=Aethir;19047581]What's the point of sitting on the fence between two sides of an argument that will eternally be in opposition.[/QUOTE]
They don't have to be if everyone would just be properly educated and think logically.
floggin is grammer nazi
Alright, this is a big one. Let's see if we can dissect this motherhubbard, without getting all the fat in the way.
[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;19047143]Do you really think that you know more about the afterlife than I?[/quote]
The existance of aterlife is unproven, thus you have about as much proved knowledge about it as atheists do - none.
[quote]Now myself a mere boy, knows not what I cannot understand, but understands that which I cannot.[/quote]
Great. It is using quotations without knowing how to even properly use them in a sentence, let alone know the meaning behind it. But let's leave this Ad Hominem behind ourselves, and move on.
[quote]You people label yourselves, some Christian, some Jewish, and some Atheist; however all you really are is an Ignoramus.[/quote]
And Ad Hominem strikes back!
[quote]How can you know the unknown I ask, how can you try and force your beliefs upon me; as if I am some mere sponge, dry of all substance, that has been cast alone in a dark drawer, unable to adapt without your presence. [/quote]
Theories are not forced upon you. Learning the theory does not mean that you are required to accept it. You are required just to remember it, so you would be able to present all given variables when you create your own, individual philosophy.
[quote]However it is you that is the fool! You are the sponge that drinks from my knowledge, for I am able to think rationally, correctly;[/quote]
Thinking of yourself above us. How about no. Way to alienate the audience.
[quote]while you blindly make assumptions, and then try to make them seem like believes.[/quote]
Alternatively, you take blind assumptions of others and use them. At least we are trying to mix it up, don't you think? :P
[quote]HA I say, for it is you who will dread the dreary afterlife; your expectations shattered, while I, a man of my sights and sounds will be presently surprised, with things unable to be imagined by the human mind.[/quote]
Or you could also be disappointed. Once more, you yourself have no knowledge of afterlife.
[quote]For I am the true savior, the one who preaches of my experiences, and knows what my mind is capable of.[/quote]
Looks like we got Messiah on the lose. Someone call the mental institution.
[quote]Be weary puny believer, or you shall face disappointment that of which you could never imagine;[/quote]
Ad Hominem, portrayal of yourself as better. More alienation than you have room for.
[quote]you think you're braver than me because you make the assumptions of that which cannot be assumed? Ha I say I again, I pity your egotistical mind, and hope that it shall be cast away, while I a man of my sights and sounds will one day be able to understand the understandable, to learn the unlearnable, to teach the unteachable, and to LIVE THE UNLIVABLE![/quote]
The gun is on the second shelf. Send as a postcrad once you get to the unlivable.
[quote] For it is I who will truly walk the path of knowledge, while you simpletons stay close to your assumptions, secretly yearning to be a man of sight and sound, like I.[/QUOTE]
Alright muster, go back to your room. And don't commit suicide, you hear?
Anyway, I give you F+
Way too much alienation, Ad Hominem, although you do try your best.
It isn't enough, though.
Tune in, next time!
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;19047585]why do so many athiests believe that just because there's no god there's no afterlife either? Does no one consider the idea that the consciousness might survive after the death of the body? Or do you believe anything or anyone that even hints that an afterlife exists is bullshit? Why do you have to believe in a god to believe in an afterlife?[/QUOTE]
Please explain to me scientifically how your consciousness, which is a byproduct of being selfaware, which is a byproduct of the BRAIN, would stay alive without the aforementioned, BRAIN.
If there is no god then why are we here
[QUOTE=tomahawk2;19047417]Lewis Black is a fucking genius. Listen to him. It's a comedy act, but he also makes a very valid point.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWqtpqQjNug[/media][/QUOTE]
It's just the usual "derp people are stupid, I hate stupid people, stupid people are dumb lol". The kind of thing you expect to see in the Quotes section on an angsty 15 year old's Myspace.
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;19047585]why do so many athiests believe that just because there's no god there's no afterlife either? Does no one consider the idea that the consciousness might survive after the death of the body? Or do you believe anything or anyone that even hints that an afterlife exists is bullshit? Why do you have to believe in a god to believe in an afterlife?[/QUOTE]
Well, the way I see it is:
Consciousness stems from the working of the brain, neurons and nerve cells and grey matter and shit like that give us our consciousness. When we die the cells and tissue making up our brain dies as well and when they die so do our thoughts.
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[QUOTE=Kybalt;19047606]Please explain to me scientifically how your consciousness, which is a byproduct of being selfaware, which is a byproduct of the BRAIN, would stay alive without the aforementioned, BRAIN.[/QUOTE]
Yeah this.
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;19047585]why do so many athiests believe that just because there's no god there's no afterlife either? Does no one consider the idea that the consciousness might survive after the death of the body? Or do you believe anything or anyone that even hints that an afterlife exists is bullshit? Why do you have to believe in a god to believe in an afterlife?[/QUOTE]
I don't believe in an afterlife, your idea also just doesn't make sense to me. People who have been clinically dead and brought back most of the time say it was like blinking an eye. They can't remember what happened because for that moment they ceased to exist.
^also the post above
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;19047607]If there is no god then why are we here[/QUOTE]
Because we are. Do you want a better reason? Too damn bad, you can either live life, or kill yourself because you can't find a reason to be alive. Go ahead.
I'd rather reside in the realm of Reality.
[QUOTE=gufu;19047605]
Great. It is using quotations without knowing how to even properly use them in a sentence[/QUOTE]
That isn't a quote, I wrote that myself; troll harder man.
[QUOTE=Dr Nick;19047637]I'd rather reside in the realm of Reality.[/QUOTE]
I've never seen that relm in WoW b4 dude!!!1
realm of reality sucks, smoke some salvia and have fun vistiting heaven and turning into bacon
[QUOTE=arn0ld;19047439]How does Pascal's Wager not work? That's quite a statement.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't work because if you assume that there is a God, then surely because it is omniscient then it would know your true motives for "believing" in it. So it's rendered useless. Simple.
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;19047585]why do so many athiests believe that just because there's no god there's no afterlife either? Does no one consider the idea that the consciousness might survive after the death of the body? Or do you believe anything or anyone that even hints that an afterlife exists is bullshit? Why do you have to believe in a god to believe in an afterlife?[/QUOTE]
A lot of Atheists believe they're just doing the opposite of religion when they're completely wrong. An Atheist may also be religious so long as that religion doesn't teach Theism.
I bet half of the Atheist community of Facepunch is kids between 12 and 16 who don't even truely know the meaning of the word.
[QUOTE=Panda.;19047652]It doesn't work because if you assume that there is a God, then surely because it is omniscient then it would know your true motives for "believing" in it. So it's rendered useless. Simple.[/QUOTE]
Pascal's Wager: The better safe then sorry approach: You would have a better chance at winning the lottery, every day, for the rest of your life (You can't even possibly begin to comprehend how impossibly small these odds are.), then to have the correct belief to not be going to hell, by chance, out of every possible conceivable god. And yet, some take those chances, despite evidence pointing to the inevitable conclusion that you will just die, and that will be it. So they corrupt their single time at existence, by taking a silly gamble. (I say corrupt, because having beliefs like that can't really make your life better, unless you get off of being hated by people for being an irrational bigot, or whatever beliefs you justify with your god.)
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;19047607]If there is no god then why are we here[/QUOTE]
Anthropic Principle, look it up.
[QUOTE=Dr Nick;19047679]A lot of Atheists believe they're just doing the opposite of religion when they're completely wrong. An Atheist may also be religious so long as that religion doesn't teach Theism.
I bet half of the Atheist community of Facepunch is kids between 12 and 16 who don't even truely know the meaning of the word.[/QUOTE]
This, and judging by the majority of the posts here, most don't know what agnosticism is either.
[QUOTE=Dr Nick;19047679]A lot of Atheists believe they're just doing the opposite of religion when they're completely wrong. An Atheist may also be religious so long as that religion doesn't teach Theism.
I bet half of the Atheist community of Facepunch is kids between 12 and 16 who don't even truely know the meaning of the word.[/QUOTE]
Does my opinion become meaningless because I am 15 and an atheist? I don't base my atheist off of religion, I base it off of science, logic and factual evidence. /offended.
[QUOTE=gufu;19047605]
The existance of aterlife is unproven, thus you have about as much proved knowledge about it as atheists do - none.
[/QUOTE]
The afterlife is what happens after life, whether it is everything, or it is nothing; once again troll harder man.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;19047704]Pascal's Wager: The better safe then sorry approach: You would have a better chance at winning the lottery, every day, for the rest of your life[/QUOTE]
same with life forming from nothing (probably even rarer)
anime sucks
[QUOTE=Darkcoder;19047715]This, and judging by the majority of the posts here, most don't know what agnosticism is either.[/QUOTE]
agnosticism: you believe that you can't know whether or not there is a god and don't want to deal with the logical implications of being on the fence about the issue.
[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;19047641]That isn't a quote, I wrote that myself; troll harder man.[/QUOTE]
In the world of writing essays, one will say that it is still a quote, not a direct one, but it restates the information behind it. It is highly unlikely for someone of such age (nor mine) to be able to use such a language without understanding the meaning behind it.
[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;19047721]The afterlife is what happens after life, whether it is everything, or it is nothing; once again troll harder man.[/QUOTE]
Everything or nothing? Oh, now you are simply limiting yourself to two theories. All accounts of afterlife in religions and mythology differ, with a wild, hard to aprehend median.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;19047338]But being logical always and being a deist is.[/QUOTE]
so you're going to tell me that you're a more logical person, than, say: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Milton]John Milton[/url]?
also, no one is "always logical". The only things that are always logical are computers.
[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;19047721]The afterlife is what happens after life, whether it is everything, or it is nothing; once again troll harder man.[/QUOTE]
It's not exactly an afterlife if you're just dead is it?
Agnosticism is an impossible position to take, you see atheism/theism is a dichotomy there is no middle ground.
You can't [b]not[/b] believe in a god and [b][i]not not[/i][/b] believe in a god at the same time, It's one or the other. :eng101:
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