[QUOTE=TheMetalMan;19048122]"Agnostics are just lazy atheists" -Community
I used to be Catholic, then Baptist, then Atheist, then Agnostic, and now I'm back to being Christian.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Kybalt;19048084]By that definition everyone should be a agnostic, so it's redundant?[/QUOTE]
Yes, everyone should be agnostic(if not then they are either withholding evidence or their standards for evidence are amazingly low). Belief in something without any empirical evidence for it to exist, nor any logical and reasoned arguments should make belief unjustified, yet many people do.
I can safely say you were never an atheist for the right reasons.
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[QUOTE=Darkcoder;19048133]Yes, everyone should be agnostic(if not then they are either withholding evidence or their standards for evidence are amazingly low). [B]Belief in something without any empirical evidence for it to exist, nor any logical and reasoned arguments[/B] should make belief unjustified, yet many people do.[/QUOTE]
It's called faith :v:
[QUOTE=TheMetalMan;19048122]"Agnostics are just lazy atheists" -Community
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Yes I watch that show, and yes I heard that quote; but tell me, of two differing beliefs, how can one be more lazy than the other, when one is the belief in nothing and the other in everything!
[QUOTE=TheMetalMan;19048122]"Agnostics are just lazy atheists" -Community
I used to be Catholic, then Baptist, then Atheist, then Agnostic, and now I'm back to being Christian.[/QUOTE]
You can't handle the truth
[QUOTE=TheAnarchist;19048166]You can't handle the truth[/QUOTE]
The way I see it is, he was born into the first one, changed to the second one since it's not all that different. Went to be a total r3b3l from his parents into atheism, then wasn't sure, then went to something that isn't too different from what he started with.
[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;19047482]This same logic means that assuming the lack of a higher power is also ignorant, for there is no evidence that there isn't a higher power![/QUOTE]
Doesn't work that way buddy
[QUOTE=LF9000;19048195]Doesn't work that way buddy[/QUOTE]
Fine, then it should be no trouble at all explaining to me why it doesn't work "that way".
hi i am an atheist why doesn't everyone believe what i believe?????
OP is high as fuck :350:
[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;19048219]Fine, then it should be no trouble at all explaining to me why it doesn't work "that way".[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument[/url]
[QUOTE=Darkcoder;19048081]Every agnostic you knew didn't know what being an agnostic meant then. Do you believe in a god? Yes = Theist, No = Atheist, there is no middle ground. Do you know if a god exists? Yes = gnostic, No = agnostic.
Of course, to know if a god exists you'd have to have decent evidence for it, thus that makes belief redundant. A lot of people incorrectly use the term agnostic though, or at least use it as a substitute for atheist which is stupid and wastes time in debates like this.
Perhaps the title should be: Why aren't you atheist? I personally can't fathom why people can remain theist after critically examining the idea of god or their other beliefs, but that's just me.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking more so about agnostic theists and the steps down from theism. First starting to believe in god and would defend his existence. Than believing in a god and saying "I can't prove it". Than start thinking about how they can't prove god, stop believing all together, therefore become atheist. So it seems to be a bit like middle ground to me.
[QUOTE=bobste;19048228]hi i am an atheist why doesn't everyone believe what i believe?????[/QUOTE]
Because what you believe is just Christianity with a different tittle.
[quote][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument[/url][/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance[/url]
Ok yeah this guy is a troll.
[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;19048239]Because what you believe is just Christianity with a different tittle.[/QUOTE]
how far did that sander go into your face
[QUOTE=Kybalt;19047868]People back then didn't know any better, they didn't have an explanation for a lot of things in the world. Now that we know how "the magic happens" we can better see that there is no need for the existence of a deity. Logically, back then, you still shouldn't have believed in him if you took all the "evidence" for a god and put it to some actual scientific scrutiny, but you couldn't because that science wasn't around back then.[/QUOTE]
this is wrong as heck
First off, let me remind you that deism does not equal Christianity.
Second, let me ask you: So, what science knowledge that we have now, that we didn't have in the 1700's, [b]specifically[/b], is it that better disproves god?
Does knowing more about quantum physics disprove god? Or knowing about the electroweak force or gluons or black holes? Because none of those are incompatible with a deity. What specific scientific knowledge have we gained in the last 300 years better disproves the existence of god?
[QUOTE=LF9000;19048247]Ok yeah this guy is a troll.[/QUOTE]
Believe whatever you want to believe.
[quote]how far did that sander go into your face [/quote]
It was sand paper, so not very far.
Atheism =/= 100% conviction about there being no god
But I guess you're directing this towards the strong atheists.
[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;19048219]Fine, then it should be no trouble at all explaining to me why it doesn't work "that way".[/QUOTE]
Because you can't believe in a negative.
You can't believe in no God, it's like thinking of "no banana" or "nothing".
[QUOTE=TheAnarchist;19048327]Because you can't believe in a negative.
You can't believe in no God, it's like thinking of "no banana" or "nothing".[/QUOTE]
"no banana" are you referring to the logic of a person saying that they have a banana and that you cannot disprove they have one therefore they have one?
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19048268]this is wrong as heck
First off, let me remind you that deism does not equal Christianity.
Second, let me ask you: So, what science knowledge that we have now, that we didn't have in the 1700's, [b]specifically[/b], is it that better disproves god?
Does knowing more about quantum physics disprove god? Or knowing about the electroweak force or gluons or black holes? Because none of those are incompatible with a deity. What specific scientific knowledge have we gained in the last 300 years better disproves the existence of god?[/QUOTE]
Science has advanced, religion has been changed much in thousands of years. I would rather put my belief in something I can see changing. Not that it disproves god, but you get what I'm saying.
[QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;19047143]Do you really think that you know more about the afterlife than I? Now myself a mere boy, knows not what I cannot understand, but understands that which I cannot. You people label yourselves, some Christian, some Jewish, and some Atheist; however all you really are is an Ignoramus. How can you know the unknown I ask, how can you try and force your beliefs upon me; as if I am some mere sponge, dry of all substance, that has been cast alone in a dark drawer, unable to adapt without your presence. However it is you that is the fool! You are the sponge that drinks from my knowledge, for I am able to think rationally, correctly; while you blindly make assumptions, and then try to make them seem like believes. HA I say, for it is you who will dread the dreary afterlife; your expectations shattered, while I, a man of my sights and sounds will be presently surprised, with things unable to be imagined by the human mind. For I am the true savior, the one who preaches of my experiences, and knows what my mind is capable of. Be weary puny believer, or you shall face disappointment that of which you could never imagine; you think you're braver than me because you make the assumptions of that which cannot be assumed? Ha I say I again, I pity your egotistical mind, and hope that it shall be cast away, while I a man of my sights and sounds will one day be able to understand the understandable, to learn the unlearnable, to teach the unteachable, and to LIVE THE UNLIVABLE! For it is I who will truly walk the path of knowledge, while you simpletons stay close to your assumptions, secretly yearning to be a man of sight and sound, like I.[/QUOTE]
I guess for the same reason I'm not agnostic about whether I'm going to get crushed by an asteroid if I leave the house
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19048268]this is wrong as heck
First off, let me remind you that deism does not equal Christianity.
Second, let me ask you: So, what science knowledge that we have now, that we didn't have in the 1700's, [b]specifically[/b], is it that better disproves god?
Does knowing more about quantum physics disprove god? Or knowing about the electroweak force or gluons or black holes? Because none of those are incompatible with a deity. What specific scientific knowledge have we gained in the last 300 years better disproves the existence of god?[/QUOTE]
They don't disprove it. I never said that they did, but they do show that everything in the universe can and will be explained scientifically, eventually, thus it leaves a deity out of the picture, and well, occam's razor takes care of the rest.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19048268]this is wrong as heck
First off, let me remind you that deism does not equal Christianity.
Second, let me ask you: So, what science knowledge that we have now, that we didn't have in the 1700's, [b]specifically[/b], is it that better disproves god?
Does knowing more about quantum physics disprove god? Or knowing about the electroweak force or gluons or black holes? Because none of those are incompatible with a deity. What specific scientific knowledge have we gained in the last 300 years better disproves the existence of god?[/QUOTE]
Please define God.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;19048190]The way I see it is, he was born into the first one, changed to the second one since it's not all that different. Went to be a total r3b3l from his parents into atheism, then wasn't sure, then went to something that isn't too different from what he started with.[/QUOTE]
Born into the first one, yes. I wanted to actually [b]learn[/b] about my religion instead of just practicing pointless traditional ceremonies, so I started attending a church that taught me what Christianity was and what was in the bible. I started joining online discussions (around 2002 or so) along with my first Biology high school class, and the whole evolution thing came about to making me disbelieve in anything, and I became an atheist.
A few months ago (6 months?) I decided that anything was possible, and science is never 100% right, and there are too many things unexplainable in this world. I believed that I wasn't educated enough about the world to become a judge of something as big as religions (a reality check that smart ass people on the internet need to do). I became agnostic.
I began to read Revelations, and lots of end of the world prophecy things. I ended up thinking about the possibility of aliens, advanced aliens, being our "God". The pieces fit the puzzle, and I began looking back into religion, and I truly believe that there's a supreme being controlling everything that's happening, and we're merely his "experiment rats". This supreme beings has knowledge much beyond any human, and has "powers" (technology?) far beyond anything imaginable by humans.
I believe that these/this supreme being(s) turned the older humans into [i]hunter-gatherers[/i], which I guess it could mean that they qualify at "creating" the modern human that was "created" around 6000 years ago.
If the bible is their teaching, then I suppose that I must abide their teachings, and since I was born into Christianity, I guess I can continue onto that path. I suppose I just tied science and religion into perfect harmony in my head, so maybe that's why I'm happy about my religion and you might not be.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;19047595]They don't have to be if everyone would just be properly educated and think logically.[/QUOTE]
Except they aren't and don't so it goes on.
[QUOTE=TheAnarchist;19048377]Please define God.[/QUOTE]
A supreme being, that has some sort of power on the world.
Sort of like you and I, except on a much larger scale.
[QUOTE=DDex;19048233]I'm talking more so about agnostic theists and the steps down from theism. First starting to believe in god and would defend his existence. Than believing in a god and saying "I can't prove it". Than start thinking about how they can't prove god, stop believing all together, therefore become atheist. So it seems to be a bit like middle ground to me.[/QUOTE]
I see, there is obviously a transition from being a firm believer to a non-believer, but they still have to be either an atheist or theist at all times, the only thing that would change is the strength of their beliefs, which those labels don't address on their own. Of course you can add qualifiers like strong/weak/militant etc to address that.
[QUOTE=TheAnarchist;19048327]Because you can't believe in a negative.
You can't believe in no God, it's like thinking of "no banana" or "nothing".[/QUOTE]
Sure you can; I believe there are no unicorns on Earth, I believe there are no leprechauns. I also believe there are no gods, at least when referring to supernatural creators of the universe, because they are logically untenable, much like unicorns.
[QUOTE=TheMetalMan;19048382]Born into the first one, yes. I wanted to actually [b]learn[/b] about my religion instead of just practicing pointless traditional ceremonies, so I started attending a church that taught me what Christianity was and what was in the bible. I started joining online discussions (around 2002 or so) along with my first Biology high school class, and the whole evolution thing came about to making me disbelieve in anything, and I became an atheist.
A few months ago (6 months?) I decided that anything was possible, and science is never 100% right, and there are too many things unexplainable in this world. I believed that I wasn't educated enough about the world to become a judge of something as big as religions (a reality check that smart ass people on the internet need to do). I became agnostic.
I began to read Revelations, and lots of end of the world prophecy things. I ended up thinking about the possibility of aliens, advanced aliens, being our "God". The pieces fit the puzzle, and I began looking back into religion, and I truly believe that there's a supreme being controlling everything that's happening, and we're merely his "experiment rats". This supreme beings has knowledge much beyond any human, and has "powers" (technology?) far beyond anything imaginable by humans.
I believe that these/this supreme being(s) turned the older humans into [i]hunter-gatherers[/i], which I guess it could mean that they qualify at "creating" the modern human that was "created" around 6000 years ago.
If the bible is their teaching, then I suppose that I must abide their teachings, and since I was born into Christianity, I guess I can continue onto that path. I suppose I just tied science and religion into perfect harmony in my head, so maybe that's why I'm happy about my religion and you might not be.[/QUOTE]
And I thought my made up explanation was funny. I guess sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
[I]I decided that anything was possible[/I]: Can you slam a revolving door?
[I]I believed that I wasn't educated enough about the world to become a judge of something as big as religions[/I]: And why not? You don't really need to be educated to judge something that has the same amount of evidence as fairy tales?
[I]I began to read Revelations, and lots of end of the world prophecy things.[/I]: People have been predicting the end of the world since we could think about something besides getting food.
I could go on but your entire reasoning is absolutely ridiculous. Starting with places where science is wrong and there are too many unexplainable things in this world.
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