I surely did
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Hey SL you realize that belief isn't just something you can switch on, and while people raised in a superstitious family may find it easy enough to subscribe to "harmless untruths" that's not true of many others?
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19048878][B]But figuring things out is not incompatible with a belief in god[/B]. You can believe in god and still learn how to fight disease.
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the spoiler tags don't work and th89 gave away part of the ending anyway[/QUOTE]
But what's the point of believing in a god, if you have no evidence for the existence of one, and know how everything in the universe works (This is pretty much what humanity is ultimately going for, or will reach)?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;19048490]You can't prove there is a god, nor can you prove that there isn't a god, therefore the logical choice here is to be atheistic. It's really this simple.[/QUOTE]
I don't necessarily "believe" in a god. I simply just believe in a higher consciousness. I don't denounce any religions, rather I try to see them as different tellings of the same story. For me, every religion is correct. Yet I don't actually practice any of them.
Taking consideration into the Thread and not the five pages of 'Debate' I'm just saying this.
Religion was one of the few ways Humanity could explain Natural Phenomena before Science provided explanations. Religion dictates how you should live your life, and many follow one because of that and in hopes of seeing an afterlife which is unexplainable even today's Science.
I could care [i] less [/i] about Agnostics unless they attempt impose their beliefs onto other people, but I'm saying that we don't follow religion because we're just conforming to the popular trend. Our parents raise us with religion to teach us morals and they wouldn't know any other way to teach us in such an effective manner.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19048878]But figuring things out is not incompatible with a belief in god. You can believe in god and still learn how to fight disease.[/QUOTE]
All you're saying here is that the concept of God isn't applied to the observations that can teach you to fight disease, but all that really means is that it's applied to something else, causing ignorance.
No one is ever going to take "The Guy that Sanded His Own Face" seriously.
Ever.
[QUOTE=Upgrade123;19048910]I don't "believe" in a god. I simply just believe in a higher consciousness. I don't denounce any religions, rather I try to see them as different tellings of the same story. For me, every religion is correct. Yet I don't actually practice any of them.[/QUOTE]
You can't prove there is a higher consciousness, nor can you prove that there isn't a higher consciousness, therefore the logical choice here is to be a-higher consciousnessist. It's really this simple.
[QUOTE=KigJow;19048656]To those of you who say that if you saw it, then you would believe it, read this.
In the Bible, the disciples were on a boat, and the the ride was tough. Waves, and harsh winds were the main point of it, and on top of that, it was at night. Then Jesus was walking on the water in front of them, and they said it was a spirit.
They didn't believe it. The disciples that followed Jesus for over a year didn't believe what they saw.
They then found out it WAS infact Jesus.[/QUOTE]
What if my hypothesis of Jesus being the alien's/god's son/clone is true, and he just had some hover shoes and he hovered over the water?
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19048878]But figuring things out is not incompatible with a belief in god. You can believe in god and still learn how to fight disease.[/QUOTE]
But then again figuring things out could mean we suffer in the long run :v:
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;19048914]Taking consideration into the Thread and not the five pages of 'Debate' I'm just saying this.
Religion was one of the few ways Humanity could explain Natural Phenomena before Science provided explanations. Religion dictates how you should live your life, and many follow one because of that and in hopes of seeing an afterlife which is unexplainable even today's Science.
I could care [i] less [/i] about Agnostics unless they attempt impose their beliefs onto other people, but I'm saying that we don't follow religion because we're just conforming to the popular trend. Our parents raise us with religion to teach us morals and they wouldn't know any other way to teach us in such an effective manner.[/QUOTE]
Religion was useful in the beginning, not gonna disagree here, we're kind of past that now, and don't need it any more. It's like a 5 year old growing up and still being attached to his blanket or whatever.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;19048895]Well, the big bang is an interesting one, as if the universe was a singularity "before" the big bang, there would be no progression of time, thus you couldn't have a cause, or well, a "before." So The Big Bang is definitely interesting as far as cause and effect goes.[/QUOTE]
This makes my point. Because the big bang shows that prior to it, there was no time or proof of properties similar to that of our current universe, we cannot know the "cause" of it through science. Because religion attempts to explain this through beings outside this realm, many religious claims cannot be examined by science either. These claims may not be true, but science's ability to explain happenings such as these is just as limited. Therefore, there is no logical explanation; people will always create their own beliefs for these kinds of things.
[QUOTE=Levithan;19048919]No one is ever going to take "The Guy that Sanded His Own Face" seriously.
Ever.[/QUOTE]
Ad hominem.
Even though I'm not on his side, I'm still going to ask you to GTFO if you're not going to engage in a serious discussion.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;19048914]Our parents raise us with religion to teach us morals and they wouldn't know any other way to teach us in such an effective manner.[/QUOTE]
What makes you think it's more effective? Are there more atheists in prison than theists?
I bet you it's the other way around, although for entirely different reasons.
[QUOTE=TH89;19048896]I surely did
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Hey SL you realize that belief isn't just something you can switch on, and while people raised in a superstitious family may find it easy enough to subscribe to "harmless untruths" that's not true of many others?[/QUOTE]
I don't think I was treating it like something you could "switch on," I was just trying to argue that there isn't really anything harmful in believing in god, so why be so critical of people who do?
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19048949]I don't think I was treating it like something you could "switch on," I was just trying to argue that there isn't really anything harmful in believing in god, so why be so critical of people who do?[/QUOTE]
There are lots of harmful things about believing in god
[QUOTE=Kybalt;19048935]Religion was useful in the beginning, not gonna disagree here, we're kind of past that now, and don't need it any more. It's like a 5 year old growing up and still being attached to his blanket or whatever.[/QUOTE]
I still sleep under a blanket. Gets cold here.
[QUOTE=TheAnarchist;19048941]Ad hominem.
Even though I'm not on his side, I'm still going to ask you to GTFO if you're not going to engage in a serious discussion.[/QUOTE]
Honestly though, it's true. It's not that we won't believe him because of who he is, we won't believe in anything he says because his logical response to insults is to sand his face. That sorts of voids any credibility in his other arguments.
[QUOTE=TheMetalMan;19048925]What if my hypothesis of Jesus being the alien's/god's son/clone is true, and he just had some hover shoes and he hovered over the water?[/QUOTE]
What if what if what if what if... What if we pay attention to things that have impractical evidence, and can be tested and retested, and work perfectly together with the rest of the reasoning for everything working the way it does, and then being able to use this reasoning to accurately predict the future to improve our lives, instead of wondering if Jesus was an alien and floated on water with hovershoes. Okay, well, I'll give you that one, give me hover shoes that can lift something that weights 130lb, rather small for a man, and I'll put some credibility to your hover shoe jesus theory.
LOL athiests are funnyyy.
silly silly athiests...
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[QUOTE='[VJGX];19048938']This makes my point. Because the big bang shows that prior to it, there was no time or proof of properties similar to that of our current universe, [B]we cannot know the "cause" of it through science.[/B] Because religion attempts to explain this through beings outside this realm, many religious claims cannot be examined by science either. These claims may not be true, but science's ability to explain happenings such as these is just as limited. Therefore, there is no logical explanation; people will always create their own beliefs for these kinds of things.[/QUOTE]
Well, actually, I think we can, I'm not really great on physics or whatever.
[QUOTE=TH89;19048951]There are lots of harmful things about believing in god[/QUOTE]
No, there are lots of harmful things in having a zealous devotion to the god you believe in. You can believe in god without being a fanatic, following archaic religious dogma, or not eating fish on friday in his name.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19048957]I still sleep under a blanket. Gets cold here.[/QUOTE]
I meant like being attached to a teddy bear that makes you feel safe, when really, what is a teddy bear going to do to protect a 5 year old? Nothing. Similarly, humanity is still attached to religion, when it does nothing to protect us anymore.
[QUOTE=Cheezy;19048961]Honestly though, it's true. It's not that we won't believe him because of who he is, we won't believe in anything he says because his logical response to insults is to sand his face. That sorts of voids any credibility in his other arguments.[/QUOTE]
You're setting his credibility in another instance equal to his credibility in this instance. It's a fallacy. The fact that you're trying to be honest doesn't exactly make it better.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19048995]No, there are lots of harmful things in having a zealous devotion to the god you believe in. You can believe in god without being a fanatic, following archaic religious dogma, or not eating fish on friday in his name.[/QUOTE]
Where do you draw the line?
How many perfectly ordinary people in California do you think got up, ate breakfast, read the newspaper, fed their dog, and went out and voted for Proposition 8?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;19048967]What if what if what if what if... What if we pay attention to things that have impractical evidence, and can be tested and retested, and work perfectly together with the rest of the reasoning for everything working the way it does, and then being able to use this reasoning to accurately predict the future to improve our lives, instead of wondering if Jesus was an alien and floated on water with hovershoes. Okay, well, I'll give you that one, give me hover shoes that can lift something that weights 130lb, rather small for a man, and I'll put some credibility to your hover shoe jesus theory.[/QUOTE]
Are you thick?
If these hovershoes existed.. maybe they weren't hovershoes, and maybe a "freeze gun" that froze the water under his feet so he could "walk" on water, use your imagination.
Anyway, my point is that some sort of alien advanced technology that weren't created by humans, and probably don't exist today, because this alien civilization is far more advanced than us.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;19048993]Well, actually, I think we can, I'm not really great on physics or whatever.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, then don't preach all of your beliefs as "logical" and "fact" if you cannot actually prove every aspect of them.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19048995]No, there are lots of harmful things in having a zealous devotion to the god you believe in. You can believe in god without being a fanatic, following archaic religious dogma, or not eating fish on friday in his name.[/QUOTE]
How far is too far? When does it become fanatic? How can you say it's archaic, god doesn't age.
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[QUOTE='[VJGX];19049029']Yeah, then don't preach all of your beliefs as "logical" and "fact" if you cannot actually prove every aspect of them.[/QUOTE]
Maybe I can't, but there are people who can.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;19049006]I meant like being attached to a teddy bear that makes you feel safe, when really, what is a teddy bear going to do to protect a 5 year old? Nothing. Similarly, humanity is still attached to religion, when it does nothing to protect us anymore.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure emotional peace of mind is a pretty worthwhile form of protection, and if people need to believe in a higher power to have that peace of mind, so long as they don't use that belief as an excuse to oppress others, then you ain't got no right to hate
[QUOTE=TheMetalMan;19049027]Are you thick?
If these hovershoes existed.. maybe they weren't hovershoes, and maybe a "freeze gun" that froze the water under his feet so he could "walk" on water, use your imagination.
Anyway, my point is that some sort of alien advanced technology that weren't created by humans, and probably don't exist today, because this alien civilization is far more advanced than us.[/QUOTE]
My point stands. Give me tech for walking on water and it would support your theory, at the very least, show that it is theoretically possible.
Religion gives many Humans on this planet a hope for the afterlife. Right now we have little to nothing to explain what this said Afterlife is other than the sects of Religion. Humanity needs and clings to religion to ease their worriments about Death.
Like I said, Religion helps explain what Humans cannot so far, we can't even find out what happened before a Big Bang or what would happen after the Big Crunch or who made it.
Religion has also played a huge part in diversifying Humanity and Culture. If we seek to exterminate it or render such obsolete we would degrade.
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