[QUOTE=Noble;29368929]But according to the OP that's a good thing and you getting death threats was supposed to be a vital part of your life![/QUOTE]
you didn't even read the op did you
I got bullied too by the way.
Doesn't feel good man.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;29380036]Cancer mutation of cells and the mutation of cells is evolution dumb shit. No Cancer=No Mutation=No Evolution.[/QUOTE]
Cancer mutation =/= evolution mutation. The mutations for evolution happen when the DNA is getting made when the creature is conceived. Expanding on what Carcarcargo said: The vast majority of mutations (for evolution) are neutral, doing nothing or going 'sideways' in usefulness. Then the remaining percent is mostly harmful mutation, with the last little percent being beneficial.
Cancer is not any of those mutations, as they happen when the organism is alive, not when it's conceived.
Basically, evolution happens at conception, not while the organism is still alive. A giraffe stretching its neck a lot doesn't cause its offspring to have longer necks. Variations and mutations of genes would cause longer necks.
And even if evolution DID work that way, which it doesn't, cancer would be one of the harmful mutations.
[QUOTE=Red Toaster;29380241]yeah but what if fighting back is shooting up their school[/QUOTE]
if the person is mentally unstable enough to start a school shooting, bullying is [b]not[/b] the only problem
that's like that one kid that smashed his dad's head in with a sledgehammer because he made him stop playing World of Warcraft after 16(?) straight hours, then people blamed the violence on WoW
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29379148]Bullying didn't nurture their problems. They nurtured each other's problems. They fueled each other's fires. Blaming bullying for Columbine is stupid because the "bullying" the two kids received was mostly stuff that was exaggerated in their minds. Simple name-calling that happens everywhere in high school amongst friends and whatnot went into their fucked up minds and became a terrible monster.
It's like a kid hearing "Ha ha, you're dumb," once in his life and going on a shooting spree because of it. Was bullying really the culprit? No, the kid being fucked up was the culprit.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/seung-hui-cho.jpg%253Fw%253D455%2526h%253D351[/img]
you know what was the culprit?
the start of getting bullied!!!
maybe if people wasn't bullied, they wouldn't be pushed and feel like shooting up a school is an option!!!
[url]http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/a9/news/disgruntled-boy-gamer-kills-dad-79dfa9.html[/url]
huh, don't know where I got the idea it was WoW, but still
[editline]23rd April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;29382358][img_thumb]http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/seung-hui-cho.jpg%253Fw%253D455%2526h%253D351[/img_thumb]
you know what was the culprit?
the start of getting bullied!!!
maybe if people wasn't bullied, they wouldn't be pushed and feel like shooting up a school is an option!!![/QUOTE]
you can't say any of those school shootings were solely because of bullying
yeah, bullying was obviously a major part of it and bullying was the straw that broke the camel's back but if you take any regular, average guy and bully him like these people got bullied he's not going to go on a murder rampage
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;29382358][img_thumb]http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/seung-hui-cho.jpg%253Fw%253D455%2526h%253D351[/img_thumb]
you know what was the culprit?
the start of getting bullied!!!
maybe if people wasn't bullied, they wouldn't be pushed and feel like shooting up a school is an option!!![/QUOTE]
I remember people talking about how he was a strange individual long before he was bullied in any way.
Also, didn't he go to college? I mean, I don't remember much off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure he was just a social outcast and didn't really get bullied. If you lock yourself away in a room all day, it's not like people are bullying you by not going out of their way to talk to you. Nobody does the whole name-calling and whatnot traditional bullying in college.
so, you're saying bullying is the major part of it, yet we should allow it?
where's the logic in that, did i forget a memo where it was said bullying is an important part of life that needs to be sustained as requirement of living, cause i pretty much remember bullying is an activity for dicks.
you don't need to bully, but when you do, it has harsh consequences in life, i should know, i live in hawaii, we have one of the highest suicide risks.
to say herp derp that was only one guy, we should allow bullying which has been proven to emotionally traumatize people is ignorant
[editline]23rd April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29382482]I remember people talking about how he was a strange individual long before he was bullied in any way.
Also, didn't he go to college? I mean, I don't remember much off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure he was just a social outcast and didn't really get bullied. If you lock yourself away in a room all day, it's not like people are bullying you by not going out of their way to talk to you. Nobody does the whole name-calling and whatnot traditional bullying in college.[/QUOTE]
this pretty much shows you don't know shit about that guy
he was in college, majored in english something-or-other, and didn't talk to anybody ever
everyone thought he didn't even speak english because any time they'd try to talk to him he'd just look at them for a second then completely ignore them
clearly something was wrong with him beyond bullying
[QUOTE=Android phone;29382556]he was in college, majored in english something-or-other, and didn't talk to anybody ever
everyone thought he didn't even speak english because any time they'd try to talk to him he'd just look at them for a second then completely ignore them
clearly something was wrong with him beyond bullying[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/[/url]
[quote=Seung Hui Cho]You have vandalized my heart, raped my soul, and torched my conscience. You thought it was one pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and defenseless people. Do you know what it feels to be spit on your face and to have trash shoved down your throat? Do you know what it feels like to dig your own grave? Do you know what it feels like to have your throat slashed from ear to ear? Do you know what it feels like to be torched alive? Do you know what it feels like to be humiliated and be impaled upon on a cross? And left to bleed to death for your amusement? You have never felt a single ounce of pain your whole life. Did you want to inject as much misery in our lives as you can just because you can?...I didn't have to do this. I could have left. I could have fled. But no, I will no longer run. It's not for me. For my children, for my brothers and sisters that you fucked;, I did it for them... When the time came, I did it. I had to...You had a hundred billion chances and ways to have avoided today, but you decided to spill my blood. You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option. The decision was yours. Now you have blood on your hands that will never wash off. You had everything you wanted. Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats. Your golden necklaces weren't enough, you snobs. Your trust fund wasn't enough. Your Vodka and Cognac weren't enough. All your debaucheries weren't enough. Those weren't enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything.[/quote]
nah, i dont think he was just a dick, either way the point remains there was absolutely no fucking reason to bully him, and to say no one saw this coming is fucking hilarious, cause it's thinking bullying doesn't cause harsh problems
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1081481-Bullied-Minnesota-girls-hang-themselves-in-apparent-suicide-pact[/url]
[quote]Cho, a senior [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_studies"]English[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_major"]major[/URL] at Virginia Tech, had previously been diagnosed with a severe [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety_disorder"]anxiety disorder[/URL]. During much of his [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_school"]middle school[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_school"]high school[/URL] years, he received therapy and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_education"]special education[/URL] support. After graduating from high school, Cho enrolled at Virginia Tech. Due to federal privacy laws, Virginia Tech was not informed of Cho's previous diagnosis or the accommodations he had been granted at school. In 2005, Cho was accused of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking"]stalking[/URL] two female students. After an investigation, a Virginia special justice declared Cho [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_illness"]mentally ill[/URL] and ordered him to attend treatment.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre#cite_note-NYTgun-421-2"][3][/URL] Lucinda Roy, a professor and former chairwoman of the English department, had also asked Cho to seek counseling.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre#cite_note-3"][4][/URL] Cho's mother also turned to the church, and one Presbyterian minister even characterized the problem as "spiritual."[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre#cite_note-4"][5][/URL][/quote]
Yeah, bullying was totally what caused him to shoot up the place.
So because he wrote some batshit insane note, he was bullied? Like the Columbine massacre kids, a lot of that stuff was fabricated in his own mind. Psychotic social outcasts like that tend to believe the world is out to get them when in reality, nobody has ever done anything to them.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;29382531]so, you're saying bullying is the major part of it, yet we should allow it?
where's the logic in that, did i forget a memo where it was said bullying is an important part of life that needs to be sustained as requirement of living, cause i pretty much remember bullying is an activity for dicks.
you don't need to bully, but when you do, it has harsh consequences in life, i should know, i live in hawaii, we have one of the highest suicide risks.
to say herp derp that was only one guy, we should allow bullying which has been proven to emotionally traumatize people is ignorant[/QUOTE]
when did I say we should allow major bullying
anything beyond namecalling or pushing is bad but if you can't deal with people calling you ugly or dumb or giving you mean looks you've got 3 options
iirc the only bit of 'bullying' that guy actually received was alienating people around him, which he brought on himself, that is an awful example of "this is what bullying causes"
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29382643]Yeah, bullying was totally what caused him to shoot up the place.[/QUOTE]
in other news, severe anxiety disorder, despite having received therapy and special education support will make you shoot up a school despite the treatment, not as if there was a constant spark in an ocean of gasoline like bullying
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;29381839]Are you clinically retarded?
Cancer is the uncontrolled division of genetically damaged cells that destroy adjacent tissue and, without treatment, result in death. How the hell could something evolve if the only mechanism by which genetic diversity happens killed them?
Mutation can and does happen without cancer; the primary defining characteristic of cancer is the uncontrolled division of cells, something that is normally highly regulated in the body.[/QUOTE]
Yes but a characteristic of mutation is cancer.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29382668]when did I say we should allow major bullying
anything beyond namecalling or pushing is bad but if you can't deal with people calling you ugly or dumb or giving you mean looks you've got 3 options
iirc the only bit of 'bullying' that guy actually received was alienating people around him, which he brought on himself, that is an awful example of "this is what bullying causes"[/QUOTE]
you allow major bullying when you allow the minor ones, you're empowering people by saying it's okay, what kind of logic do you have?
[quote=news]Finally, after the teacher threatened to give him a failing grade for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded “like he had something in his mouth,” Davids said.
“As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, ‘Go back to China,’” Davids said.[/quote]
no one fucking snaps and shoots up a school out of the blue, stop coming up with labels and come up with solutions.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;29382694]in other news, severe anxiety disorder, despite having received therapy and special education support will make you shoot up a school despite the treatment, not as if there was a constant spark in an ocean of gasoline like bullying[/QUOTE]
[B]He was not bullied.[/B]
How dense are you? He was antisocial. People tried talking to him and he simply ignored them. Nobody picked on him, nobody teased him, nobody physically harmed him. A single snide remark does not constitute bullying. Anyone that snaps after a small incident like that was already considering shooting up the place long before it happened.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;29380036]Cancer mutation of cells and the mutation of cells is evolution dumb shit. No Cancer=No Mutation=No Evolution.[/QUOTE]
No, the only mutation important to evolution is at the meoisis and early fetal stages, and if the fetus had cancer at that point, it would just die.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29382723][B]He was not bullied.[/B]
How dense are you? He was antisocial. People tried talking to him and he simply ignored them. Nobody picked on him, nobody teased him, nobody physically harmed him. A single snide remark does not constitute bullying. Anyone that snaps after a small incident like that was already considering shooting up the place long before it happened.[/QUOTE]
[b]he was[/b]
how dense are you? why are you read up the articles i post instead of blabbering pro-bullying shit
do you honestly think a kid who recieved treatment and therapy would actually make a video saying specific reasons why he's going to do this and shoot up 32 people with absolutely no fucking factor other than being anti-social?
[QUOTE=yaik9a;29382710]Yes but a characteristic of mutation is cancer.[/QUOTE]
No it's not, there are more than enough organisms with DNA repair mechanisms advanced enough so that the organism never has cancer. It's not some innate quality of cellular mutation.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;29382720]you allow major bullying when you allow the minor ones, you're empowering people by saying it's okay, what kind of logic do you have?[/QUOTE]
what the fuck are you smoking
did you read my post? did you see the examples I gave? go ahead and read it again just to be sure, then try to tell me I didn't say "anything beyond namecalling or pushing is bad"
While I do think bullying is a problem, I think it's outright fucking retarded that so much blame is tossed on to it. Just like video games and movies, people are just looking for something to blame other than the person themselves.
Kids that do drastic shit like shoot up schools and/or kill themselves aren't normal kids that suddenly get that way because of bullies. They're kids with preexisting problems that get amplified due to bullying. When parents get asked to describe their kid, of course they're going to say "Oh yeah, he/she was totally normal, nothing was wrong at home, so it must have been bullying." They don't want to accept the blame for not talking to their child and they don't want their child to be blamed for not asking for help.
Bullying plays a part in those scenarios but it is [b]not[/b] the main culprit. Nobody that is psychologically sound decides to kill themselves or others due to bullying.
[QUOTE=Kiq;29356892]ITT : Strong kids getting bullied should fight back, weak kids and the handicapped should kill themselves durr[/QUOTE]
Natural selection, bro.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29382830]what the fuck are you smoking
did you read my post? did you see the examples I gave? go ahead and read it again just to be sure, then try to tell me I didn't say "anything beyond namecalling or pushing is bad"[/QUOTE]
it's called escalation, why don't you read about the Ashland High school case where the kids first started with name calling and pushing on a homosexual kid, then it escalated to total beatdown when the principal called it kids being kids, and allowed it till the kid sued the school after failing a suicide attempt and running away twice?
you empower them by allowing a bad thing, then it escalates to a badder thing, holy fuck logic!
Hey, Maverick, perhaps they shouldn't bully in the first place when you say it yourself it amplifies?
[b]bullying is not required to live[/b], it's an activity for dicks that has harsh consequences, you don't need to fucking bully, that's the point I'm trying to make, bullying, no matter how minor, mild, or how much, is a part of suicide and shooting scenarios, yet it doesn't need to happen
if bullying was the one and only reason people shot up schools wouldn't you think there would be a hell of a lot more school shootings? bullying is particularly bad at the school I go to, it was either this year or last year a kid killed himself because of bullying, I hardly talked to him but everyone that did said he was outgoing and blended in with everyone else. Only a few weeks after he died his parents admitted he'd had several counciling sessions and had severe anxiety, aspergers, and some other stuff
I'm not saying "shit sucks deal with it," it's a horrible thing that he felt that his only way out was suicide but it's undeniable that bullying was [b]not[/b] the only factor.
Before you resume your "you're so pro bully bullshit I bet you bullied that kid" horseshit I spoke at his funeral.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29382951]if bullying was the one and only reason people shot up schools wouldn't you think there would be a hell of a lot more school shootings? bullying is particularly bad at the school I go to, it was either this year or last year a kid killed himself because of bullying, I hardly talked to him but everyone that did said he was outgoing and blended in with everyone else. Only a few weeks after he died his parents admitted he'd had several counciling sessions and had severe anxiety, aspergers, and some other stuff
I'm not saying "shit sucks deal with it," it's a horrible thing that he felt that his only way out was suicide but it's undeniable that bullying was [b]not[/b] the only factor.
Before you resume your "you're so pro bully bullshit I bet you bullied that kid" horseshit I spoke at his funeral.[/QUOTE]
[quote]I'm not saying "shit sucks deal with it," it's a horrible thing that he felt that his only way out was suicide but it's undeniable that bullying was not the only factor.[/quote]
[quote]it's undeniable that bullying was not the only factor.[/quote]
But it [b]is[/b] a factor, what part of this do you not understand
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;29382916]it's called escalation, why don't you read about the Ashland High school case where the kids first started with name calling and pushing on a homosexual kid, then it escalated to total beatdown when the principal called it kids being kids, and allowed it till the kid sued the school after failing a suicide attempt and running away twice?
you empower them by allowing a bad thing, then it escalates to a badder thing, holy fuck logic!
[/QUOTE]
now I'm convinced you're not even reading what you type
the principle allowed them to beat up the kid, I said anything beyond namecalling or pushing is bad (as in shouldn't be tolerated), if it worked like I think it should escalation wouldn't be allowed to happen
[editline]23rd April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;29383001]But it [b]is[/b] a factor, what part of this do you not understand[/QUOTE]
the kids that shot up columbine were obsessed with DOOM, an ultra-violent first-person shooter, clearly video games should be banned entirely
[QUOTE=Android phone;29383013]now I'm convinced you're not even reading what you type
the principle allowed them to beat up the kid, I said anything beyond namecalling or pushing is bad (as in shouldn't be tolerated), if it worked like I think it should escalation wouldn't be allowed to happen[/QUOTE]
the principle never condoned the beatdown, she condoned the bullying of 'name calling' and 'pushing' as you said.
when the bullies realized they weren't going to get into trouble for calling him a fag and pushing him around the hallway, they realized why the fuck not go further when they were allowed to do that? After all, if they weren't going to into trouble for that, what trouble can they end up with? Then escalated to a beatdown, it's going to happen then, and it's going to happen now if you condone name calling or pushing, because of human nature, it's going to [b]fucking escalate when it doesn't need to be[/b].
I never got bullied and I'm fine afaik
[QUOTE=Android phone;29383013]
the kids that shot up columbine were obsessed with DOOM, an ultra-violent first-person shooter, clearly video games should be banned entirely[/QUOTE]
too bad videogames doesn't harm anyone while bullying does???
lolwutdude seems to think that anyone saying bullying isn't the main reason why kids shoot up schools is pro-bullying.
I do think bullying is a problem, however it is not the main culprit for school shootings and whatnot. Parental failure and/or outright psychological problems are. Bullying has and always will exist due to human nature, going all apeshit about it won't change anything. Instead of starting up anti-bullying programs and campaigns, schoolteachers, administrators, and parents need to be taught how to be better mentors for their kids.
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