• Enough With This Antibullying Bullshit
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To be honest the idea that bullying (even moderate bullying) is desirable is absolute bullshit. Fair enough, it may be unavoidable to some degree. I think most people who are on the same level as the kids being bullied/bullying will agree that the measures a lot of people want to take to prevent bullying are absolutely fucking useless. But denying bullying itself isn't bad is indefeasible.
I take a zero tolerance stance on bullying. Don't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk, don't come crying when you get your ass handed to you after being a loudmouth.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;29383062]the principle never condoned the beatdown, she condoned the bullying of 'name calling' and 'pushing' as you said. when the bullies realized they weren't going to get into trouble for calling him a fag and pushing him around the hallway, they realized why the fuck not go further when they were allowed to do that? After all, if they weren't going to into trouble for that, what trouble can they end up with? Then escalated to a beatdown, it's going to happen then, and it's going to happen now if you condone name calling or pushing, because of human nature, it's going to [b]fucking escalate when it doesn't need to be[/b].[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;29382916]then it escalated to total beatdown when the principal called it kids being kids[/QUOTE] why are you so convinced that every single bully will always try to directly murder their target and every single victim of bullying will always kill themselves or shoot up their school it starts with namecalling and pushing, then it tries to escalate and you lay the fucking hammer down, what part of that aren't you getting and if the kid can't stick up for themselves obviously someone should intervene but you go ahead and just keep taking my words out of context like you've been doing this entire thread [editline]23rd April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=nikomo;29383222]I take a zero tolerance stance on bullying. Don't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk, don't come crying when you get your ass handed to you after being a loudmouth.[/QUOTE] um what so it's okay if the victim beats the shit out of the verbal-abuse bully but you won't allow a single harmful peep? what if the bully (the one that started it, not the one that ended up actually hitting the other kid (which is according to you not bullying)) was mentally unstable, and as a result of getting beaten up for voicing his opinions (definition of bullying btw) goes on a shooting rampage you people don't think, like, at all
As a teacher, would anyone actually witness someone being a douchebag and verbally harassing someone for being gay, would you actually just let it happen, or would that in fact make you a douchebag yourself?
I'd give them warnings and shit, and like I said before if the kid didn't do anything to stop it I would, but if kids don't learn to stand up for themselves against bullies they won't have self-confidence, character or bravado when they need it again, I'm only talking about very very mild bullying, don't have an aneurysm and call me satan please
last time i stood up to a bully i got suspended for almost a fucking week [editline]23rd April 2011[/editline] luckily my mom didn't give a shit and let me on the computer
how did you handle it I've beaten the shit out of a kid for calling me stuff like jewboy (I'm Polish but not a jew) and saying stuff like "I'm glad the holocaust happened" but I didn't do it on the spot, I cornered him in my neighborhood now that kid doesn't bully anyone, problem solved
Hey-hey guys, this whole the weak should be bullied thing is main part of Japanese culture, look what happens to the men :v: You want that in the states?
1. what the fuck are you talking about 2. I hope you're not saying I think the 'weak' [i]should[/i] be bullied
[QUOTE=Android phone;29383514]I'd give them warnings and shit, and like I said before if the kid didn't do anything to stop it I would, but if kids don't learn to stand up for themselves against bullies they won't have self-confidence, character or bravado when they need it again, I'm only talking about very very mild bullying, don't have an aneurysm and call me satan please[/QUOTE] You see here's the thing, not everyone gains from bullying, some people completely loose all their confidence and character and instead become husks of their former selves and end up becoming unable to socialize properly.
Some people don't get stronger from bullying. Some grow into some demented, messed up person because they were weak to begin with. Those are the ones that need protection so they don't grow up to be a killer, drug abuser, etc. But, segregating the weak from the strong is wrong in itself. Instead of picking and choosing who should be protected and not due to the level of strength they have, they decide to protect everyone for the better. People of equal strength are better then a group of strong ones and a group of weak ones that could be a "bad apple" in the future from trauma of varying levels of bullying. Edit: Crap I think I just said what a lot of other people did... Oh well, this just shows I agree.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29383859]You see here's the thing, not everyone gains from bullying, some people completely loose all their confidence and character and instead become husks of their former selves and end up becoming unable to socialize properly.[/QUOTE] which is why an authority should step in in situations like that, I've already said that [editline]23rd April 2011[/editline] or rather situations that could turn into one like that, I know if I'm not incredibly careful with my wording some of you will tell me I think differently than I actually do
Agreed, especially on the topic of "cyber-bullying". [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ZiRT8Nwkk[/media]
OP probably has never gone through anything worth calling bullying and things it is something you go through in the blink of an eye.
he makes some valid points but makes too little of suicide, I'm mixed on that video
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29378977]Everyone who is using Columbine as an example of why bullying is bad and whatnot is retarded. It has been proven through diary entries that the boys who committed the Columbine massacre were not bullied, and in fact, bragged about how they called Freshmen fags and whatnot. They didn't do it because they were bullied, they didn't do it because they wanted to be famous, they did it because they had severe psychological problems. Hell, virtually every school shooter is someone with severe psychological problems that existed far before they were ever bullied.[/QUOTE] Don't you come in this thread and spread your bullshit. You are an egotistical dick who admitted to being a sociopathic bully.
All through middle school I was the Pariah of my school. I did absolutely nothing to provoke anyone else, but I had been chosen by my peers to get beaten, insulted, and hated everyday for absolutely no reason. I tried to stand up, my parents reported every single occurrence of harassment. Nothing was done by the school and I ended up being beaten to the point of my parents involving the local police force. I still see this happening in my High School to other students who are treated this way. There is absolutely no way that I positively benefited from my experiences in any way whatsoever. Bullying needs to be eradicated in schools and everywhere because [B]NOBODY[/B] deserves this. I don't care about whatever bullshit excuses you have or dumbass reasoning to excuse anybody from treating anyone else like this. [B]AAAnnnd nobody read my post.[/B]
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29379049]That's some serious bullshit you're pulling out of your ass right there. Kids that shoot up schools have almost always had some kind of mental/social deficiency before the bullying started. A normal person doesn't get bullied and come to the conclusion that shooting up the place is the best solution, a person with preexisting problems comes to that conclusion.[/QUOTE] I was the king of the yard in preschool, nothing wrong with me. First day of year 1 was fine, 5 years layer I'm stuck with pts and considering bringing a knife to school because I couldn't get my hands on a gun. You are wrong. [editline]24th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MaverickIB;29379148]Bullying didn't nurture their problems. They nurtured each other's problems. They fueled each other's fires. Blaming bullying for Columbine is stupid because the "bullying" the two kids received was mostly stuff that was exaggerated in their minds. Simple name-calling that happens everywhere in high school amongst friends and whatnot went into their fucked up minds and became a terrible monster. It's like a kid hearing "Ha ha, you're dumb," once in his life and going on a shooting spree because of it. Was bullying really the culprit? No, the kid being fucked up was the culprit.[/QUOTE] What about that Asian who shot up his college? I don't know the name of the school but I think it was MIT. [editline]24th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Android phone;29382333]if the person is mentally unstable enough to start a school shooting, bullying is [b]not[/b] the only problem that's like that one kid that smashed his dad's head in with a sledgehammer because he made him stop playing World of Warcraft after 16(?) straight hours, then people blamed the violence on WoW[/QUOTE] I'm living evidence that you are wrong.
[QUOTE=mokkan;29384879] First day of year 1 was fine, 5 years layer I'm stuck with pts and considering bringing a knife to school because I couldn't get my hands on a gun. You are wrong. [/QUOTE] so you've got [sp]self-diagnosed?[/sp] post-traumatic syndrome and you're considering going on a stabbing spree? I somehow doubt bullying is the only thing that caused this
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29382723][B]He was not bullied.[/B] How dense are you? He was antisocial. People tried talking to him and he simply ignored them. Nobody picked on him, nobody teased him, nobody physically harmed him. A single snide remark does not constitute bullying. Anyone that snaps after a small incident like that was already considering shooting up the place long before it happened.[/QUOTE] Why are you even arguing this anyway. If the straw was the thing that broke the camel, then would it not be s good idea to stop that straw from being added to the camels load.
if it weren't straw A it'd be straw B there was so much shit wrong with that kid he would've snapped if his favorite show had been cancelled and shot up a TV studio, stop saying everyone was out to get him and he tried the best he could to get help etc., that's bullshit
you don't need pre-existing mental conditions to consider shooting up a school. there is such a thing as PTSD and depression.
There is a massive difference between considering something and doing something. How many times have you been talking to someone and thought "I want to punch them in the face so fucking bad?" How many times have you actually done it? Bully any normal person enough and they'll probably retaliate eventually. The difference between a normal person retaliating and a psychopathic one retaliating is premeditation. The kid that body slammed the bully didn't walk around thinking "Oh yeah, I'm gonna slam his ass the next time he picks on me." It was an impulse reaction out of reaching his breaking point. Perfectly normal. Anyone that goes home and plans out how they're going to shoot up the school and everything is a psychopath that is going to do something retarded in their life regardless of whether they are bullied or not. You blame your PTS and considering the brinding of a knife to school on bullying, I blame it on your lack of drive to get help and/or the failure of your parents to talk things out with you. Everyone has problems in life. Plenty of people are bullied every day, it's how they handle it that shows what kind of person they are. A broken normal person will seek help from friends, family, or professionals. A broken psychopathic person will seek to shoot up a school and/or end their own life. Plenty of people try to pull the defense "Well you've never been broken like that so hurr you can't know what it's like," assuming that being suicidal and/or wanting to inflict violence on others is completely normal from a person who has been picked on. No, wrong, it isn't. Normal people get broken every day and they handle it in normal ways. Anyone that takes an extreme illogical action such as killing themselves or others due to something as trivial as bullying is clearly fucked up. Having your spirits broken and being psychopathic do not run hand-in-hand.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29383514]I'd give them warnings and shit, and like I said before if the kid didn't do anything to stop it I would, but if kids don't learn to stand up for themselves against bullies they won't have self-confidence, character or bravado when they need it again, I'm only talking about very very mild bullying, don't have an aneurysm and call me satan please[/QUOTE] How do they learn to stand up if the bullies only get a warning for making them sit down? Bullying destroys confidence, I don't think you understand that.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29385061]if it weren't straw A it'd be straw B there was so much shit wrong with that kid he would've snapped if his favorite show had been cancelled and shot up a TV studio, stop saying everyone was out to get him and he tried the best he could to get help etc., that's bullshit[/QUOTE] This. If the straw that broke the camel's back was a single fucking classroom incident, he was a bomb ready to explode any moment. Then dipshits would be blaming whatever that last straw is. So if 99 percent of the straw on his back was just him being a fucked up person and the 1 percent that broke it was bullying, we should focus on bullying? Yeah, um, no.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29385023]so you've got [sp]self-diagnosed?[/sp] post-traumatic syndrome and you're considering going on a stabbing spree? I somehow doubt bullying is the only thing that caused this[/QUOTE] Not at all self diagnosed. I find it disgusting you would even suggest that. And yes actually, shocking as it may seem, bullying was the only cause. As proven by 3 different and independent psychiatrists.
[QUOTE=The Pwnapple;29376753]People and their little sob stories to explain why bullying is bad. Obviously the kids don't know when to just start beating the shit out of whoever bullies you.[/QUOTE] Not everything is black and white you prick. [editline]23rd April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Raixsarin;29377074]Where the hell are these kid's father figures? Back in the day, you get bullied, you don't come crying to your mom. You tell your dad and he sits down with you and tells you how to handle this shit. Soccer moms are NOT good for these kinds of problems, because all they do is throw a hissy-fit and do nothing, but embarrass the kid, which only leads to more bullying. And I know some people will bring up Columbine, but there are some people who are just fucked up. When you screw with someone who's obviously fucked in the head, some shit's going to go down. As a side-note, anytime I got bullied, I just laughed it off and didn't give a shit. In fact, as we all got older, we all matured and just hung out.[/QUOTE] so much misogyny
WTF? Bullying might be natural, but it's not needed. I've seen kids be bullied to the point where they're so shy, they can't even open their mouths anymore. It's bullshit, not necessary, and can be incredibly damaging.
[QUOTE=mokkan;29385171]How do they learn to stand up if the bullies only get a warning for making them sit down? Bullying destroys confidence, I don't think you understand that.[/QUOTE] I really hate having to repeat myself so here goes. I'd give the kid a chance to stand up for himself, if it was obvious he was just going to take it and it would just get worse I'd step in. Handling bullying like a normal person (getting in simple fistfights or putting the bully in their place verbally) is healthy for you, just sitting and letting the bully have his way is not. Do you get it now?
[QUOTE=DogGunn;29385429]WTF? Bullying might be natural, but it's not needed. I've seen kids be bullied to the point where they're so shy, they can't even open their mouths anymore. It's bullshit, not necessary, and can be incredibly damaging.[/QUOTE] Op has the psychological understanding of a empty bottle of coke.
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