[QUOTE=KingKombat;29414256]that's nice
basically if you're getting bullied you should just completely change yourself and stop being who you are to prevent being fucked with by idiots[/QUOTE]
I can see why bullying is staying around :v:
[QUOTE=KingKombat;29414256]that's nice
basically if you're getting bullied you should just completely change yourself and stop being who you are to prevent being fucked with by idiots[/QUOTE]
Or you could just, you know, not give a shit about what they say to you.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;29414627]Or you could just, you know, not give a shit about what they say to you.[/QUOTE]
And then they begin to escalate their efforts in order to [B]get[/B] you to give a shit.
And then you escalate your efforts in [I]not[/I] giving a shit.
[QUOTE=Aoifern;29413721]One of my friends was bullied when he was a kid by some of his peers for being overweight. They would do the usual name calling and all that. He actually did something about it, and didn't sit around acting like a giant pussy. He fought back and he changed his appearance, and guess what no more bullying imagine that.
I am all for the whole being against bullying were it would be so severe to push someone to committing suicide, but no one should let it get to that point. Just stand up for yourself and change the situation, or stop giving a fuck and hang with a different crowd.[/QUOTE]
Horrible argument
I mean it's great that he lost weight and all but since he did it because of the bullies the bullies kind of won now didn't they
Now what about people who are bullied because they're gay or a different race, they can't really change themselves
[QUOTE=The Vman;29415688]And then they begin to escalate their efforts in order to [B]get[/B] you to give a shit.[/QUOTE]
And / or you simultaneously start to subconsciously ignore criticism or become an unsympathizing douchebag in the process.
Or maybe you just [i]can't[/i] help but give a shit about what people say, because
1. People generally promote some level of cooperation, togetherness, friendship, and other such benevolent social interactions
2. People generally wish to partake in said cooperation, togetherness, friendship, and other such benevolent social interactions, and not partaking in those may cause you to perceive as being looked down upon by the people in 1. (whether you actually are being looked down upon or not), which will get you to believe that you're not partaking in said social interactions more, -> positive feedback loop
3. Believe it or not, [b]words generally have meanings[/b].
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29415901]Horrible argument
I mean it's great that he lost weight and all but since he did it because of the bullies the bullies kind of won now didn't they
Now what about people who are bullied because they're gay or a different race, they can't really change themselves[/QUOTE]
Those are two completely separate issues.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29415901]Horrible argument
I mean it's great that he lost weight and all but since he did it because of the bullies the bullies kind of won now didn't they
Now what about people who are bullied because they're gay or a different race, they can't really change themselves[/QUOTE]
Aside from that - why can't I be fat? Why do I have to take a physical image which others prefer? It's an argument that's come up far too much here - that if you're being bullied for something traditionally perceived as "bad", then that's more deserved than something NOT seen as bad, e.g. race. Personally, I wouldn't want to be overweight, but I can't understand how there's justification in bullying someone because of it.
[QUOTE=Explosions;29415958]Those are two completely separate issues.[/QUOTE]
Not really, they're both people being closed-minded idiots
The whole argument that closed-minded idiots should be left alone and people around them should change to satiate the idiot's desires instead of the other way around is stupid
[QUOTE=haloguy234;29415870]And then you escalate your efforts in [I]not[/I] giving a shit.[/QUOTE]
If you have to [i]try[/i] to not give a shit, that means you give a shit.
Unless you're so resilient in your personality and ability to not give a shit that you don't even acknowledge the hurtful remarks of the initial act of bullying.
To the people who say "Don't give a shit"
What about little kids?
I know I might be 10 pages late, but I can't be assed to read through all of them.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;29356547], why do you think it happens in every community, everyday all across the world.[/QUOTE]
"Bullies have been around forever, so bullying must be right."
That's called a fallacy.
Bullying is no good. I was pushed pretty close to suicide when I was younger over bullying at school.
But the people like me who were pushed close to suicide, or actually did commit suicide, aren't just doing so because of the bullying. People who turn to suicide over bullying are seriously mentally fucked up. The bullying may bring out the reaction, but the real issues are with the bullied kid and they have nothing to do with bullying. You have to be really fucked up to kill yourself because of people ridiculing you.
Just because you didn't commit suicide doesn't mean the ones who do were already fucked mentally before the bullying came along.
Bullying does cause damage, it does give you depression, which can easily lead to suicide if not managed.
You people are making it seem like these bullies have a 'job' of harrasing people to 'make them stronger'. You might as well give them a sallary. I can't see how bullying is character building. It just ruins your experiances at school, distracts you from school work, and make you feel unsafe. Plus, look at how many different kinds of bullying there are.
Perhaps some types of bullying are 'character building' but there's a point where it becomes malicious. I feel some types of bullying are just pure evil. I heard a story where a group of adults created a fake facebook profile for a girl. The fake girl friended a boy who had a little trouble socially. The fake girl then liked the boy. One day, they revealed that the girl was indeed fake. The boy then commited suicide.
Are some of you saying only because the boy had social issues, he commited suicide? Does that excuse those people who made the fake girl. That applies to all the kids that commited suicide, because they were a little 'f-ed' in the head makes it excusable for them to be bullied? I consider it collective murder. A group of people making one person's life a living hell till it reaches a point where they kill themselves. Other than the fact the people harass the person for entertainment, they failed to find a point to stop. That is the evil, how they fail to stop even if they find the person begining to 'crack' or mentally deteriorating.
Then there are more common types of bullying at school. Its a horrific situation where you are forced to go to a place where there are a group of people you know that will harass you. They will publically humiliate you. At worst, you will feel like your being hunted down and theres no one to help you. That does not build character, that just sucks!
Finally, there's that rediculous culture where your a sissy if you tell an adult. For a child who feels telling his parents or teachers is the only way of escaping, why shouldn't he?
Bullying achieves nothing. It might be a normal part of a childhood, but these suicides are a disturbing trend.
That's why I support this policy in Britian where if your child is caught bullying, the parents can be fined. That sends a pretty clear message to the parents and helps make them more responsible.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;29414627]Or you could just, you know, not give a shit about what they say to you.[/QUOTE]
What you don't seem to fucking seem to understand is, after having this drilling into your fucking head every other post in this thread, is that people are all different and are sometimes more sensitive then you. Then again, the way your acting, you'd probably laugh at someone who just got hit by a bus.
[editline]25th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Explosions;29415958]Those are two completely separate issues.[/QUOTE]
uh, no they're not?
So let's say that everyone who committed suicide or killed someone as a result of bullying was already mentally fucked. This is not something I personally think is true, nor is it true, but for the sake of this argument, let's assume it is.
So what?
Just because they had mental issues, they still don't deserve to be bullied, and they may not have done whatever they did had they not been bullied. Even if they had done it later in life, there's no reason for us to state that bullying is somehow okay because anyone who reacted poorly to it was already fucked up.
I think a big problem is this zero tolerance BS in schools. If victims didn't have to be punished for self defense, I'm sure bullying might be less of a problem. I know I would've beat the shit out of a bully I had in high school if it wasn't for that, so instead I had to just deal with the shithead for four years.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;29356547]
and is natural instinct.
[/QUOTE]
You obviously know jack shit about sociology.
I think a lot of people here mistake teasing for bullying. Teasing is meant in good spirit and although it can be a little hurtful it will only really leave you with another perspective of who you are. Bullying is the same as an animal herd banishing or killing a weak individual that might endanger the group. It's not character-building criticism, it's fucking murder for the sake of the big picture.
The best thing is, kids don't even realize this just as they don't realize when they are being selfish. They don't understand their own behavior because it's almost an instinctual thing.
I have not been bullied for 7 years and I still have problems stemming from then. I have not been built into a greater person, I have been shattered to pieces.
Anyone who has been teased and who cry about it, sure, they're being equally as immature as the teasers. But don't you fucking say that bullying is one and the same thing as that.
[QUOTE=x_xPwntx_x;29420706]I think a big problem is this zero tolerance BS in schools. If victims didn't have to be punished for self defense, I'm sure bullying might be less of a problem. I know I would've beat the shit out of a bully I had in high school if it wasn't for that, so instead I had to just deal with the shithead for four years.[/QUOTE]
Propose you did beat the shit out of the bully.
1. Then what? He can easily claim, because he's the one with more damage, that you did it to him.
2. What does this solve? A single bully is beat up. He might find friends to beat you up with later, or simply move on to different prey, prey that can't defend itself. Zero Tolerance prevents self defense, sure, but it also prevents self incrimination, it prevents the idea that violence is the answer to your problems.
3. You can beat the shit out of him. Just do it outside of school. There, zero tolerance doesn't apply.
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;29421417]Propose you did beat the shit out of the bully.
1. Then what? He can easily claim, because he's the one with more damage, that you did it to him.
2. What does this solve? A single bully is beat up. He might find friends to beat you up with later, or simply move on to different prey, prey that can't defend itself. Zero Tolerance prevents self defense, sure, but it also prevents self incrimination, it prevents the idea that violence is the answer to your problems.
3. You can beat the shit out of him. Just do it outside of school. There, zero tolerance doesn't apply.[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to claim I'm 100% right and this is just based on what I've seen so feel free to prove me wrong with this.
I've seen what happens when someone fights back where I went to school. When that happens, the bullying tends to usually stop. I'm guessing I only experienced the bullies who prey on the defenseless only, so I don't know about the worse ones that don't stop. Yeah he could go on to weaker prey but, again, if we're talking about the bullies who do it just for an ego boost, I'm sure after being embarrassed and losing, he'd probably cut it out for a while.
As for number 1, I'm not sure how to argue that. That is a problem, however, that I can agree with you on.
[QUOTE=mazman34340;29419925]You people are making it seem like these bullies have a 'job' of harrasing people to 'make them stronger'. You might as well give them a sallary. I can't see how bullying is character building. It just ruins your experiances at school, distracts you from school work, and make you feel unsafe. Plus, look at how many different kinds of bullying there are.
Perhaps some types of bullying are 'character building' but there's a point where it becomes malicious. I feel some types of bullying are just pure evil. I heard a story where a group of adults created a fake facebook profile for a girl. The fake girl friended a boy who had a little trouble socially. The fake girl then liked the boy. One day, they revealed that the girl was indeed fake. The boy then commited suicide.
Are some of you saying only because the boy had social issues, he commited suicide? Does that excuse those people who made the fake girl. That applies to all the kids that commited suicide, because they were a little 'f-ed' in the head makes it excusable for them to be bullied? I consider it collective murder. A group of people making one person's life a living hell till it reaches a point where they kill themselves. Other than the fact the people harass the person for entertainment, they failed to find a point to stop. That is the evil, how they fail to stop even if they find the person begining to 'crack' or mentally deteriorating.
Then there are more common types of bullying at school. Its a horrific situation where you are forced to go to a place where there are a group of people you know that will harass you. They will publically humiliate you. At worst, you will feel like your being hunted down and theres no one to help you. That does not build character, that just sucks!
Finally, there's that rediculous culture where your a sissy if you tell an adult. For a child who feels telling his parents or teachers is the only way of escaping, why shouldn't he?
Bullying achieves nothing. It might be a normal part of a childhood, but these suicides are a disturbing trend.
That's why I support this policy in Britian where if your child is caught bullying, the parents can be fined. That sends a pretty clear message to the parents and helps make them more responsible.[/QUOTE]
I agree, there is a degree where bullying is pure evil. But the bullying which [I]isn't [/I]pure evil, the typical name calling shit at school, the "Give me your lunch money or I'll beat the shit out of you", the douchebag in class that does everything in his power to publicly humiliate you, that kind of bullying helps build your character.
It either makes you or breaks you. It all depends on how you choose to react and handle the situation.
[QUOTE=amute;29419982]What you don't seem to fucking seem to understand is, after having this drilling into your fucking head every other post in this thread, is that people are all different and are sometimes more sensitive then you. Then again, the way your acting, you'd probably laugh at someone who just got hit by a bus.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you're totally right. I'd definitely laugh at someone for getting hit by a bus because I'm clearly not sensitive to anything, I mean it's not like I have feelings for people and what they experience. I'm just an asshole, right?
I don't respect someone who commits suicide because of bullying. I don't respect someone who goes on a shooting rampage because of bullying. However, I most definitely respect someone who retains their integrity and comes out winning in all of the chaos they were experiencing.
As for bullying amongst children, the child being bullied can still do something against it. They can tell a teacher, a parent, whoever they look up to. If they don't because they feel scared and intimidated, then that's their fault. Not doing something when you have the ability to do so gives me the illusion that you want things to stay exactly as they are.
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;29421417]Propose you did beat the shit out of the bully.
1. Then what? He can easily claim, because he's the one with more damage, that you did it to him.
2. What does this solve? A single bully is beat up. He might find friends to beat you up with later, or simply move on to different prey, prey that can't defend itself. Zero Tolerance prevents self defense, sure, but it also prevents self incrimination, it prevents the idea that violence is the answer to your problems.
3. You can beat the shit out of him. Just do it outside of school. There, zero tolerance doesn't apply.[/QUOTE]
1. Very true
2. It may just make the bully quit bothering him. As for "a prey that can't defend itself", we can all defend ourselves. Everybody has a choice. Defending oneself is not limited to knowing how to beat the shit out of someone.
3. Definitely true.
[QUOTE=x_xPwntx_x;29420706]I think a big problem is this zero tolerance BS in schools. If victims didn't have to be punished for self defense, I'm sure bullying might be less of a problem. I know I would've beat the shit out of a bully I had in high school if it wasn't for that, so instead I had to just deal with the shithead for four years.[/QUOTE]
Zero Tolerance is a stupid idea, but I really think there are more important things to contend to when it comes to bullying.
[editline]25th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=haloguy234;29421766]I'm just an asshole, right?[/quote]
Yes.
[quote]I don't respect someone who commits suicide because of bullying. I don't respect someone who goes on a shooting rampage because of bullying. However, I most definitely respect someone who retains their integrity and comes out winning in all of the chaos they were experiencing.[/quote]There are people who don't have the opportunity to come out 'winning'. This shit isn't as black and white as you make it out to be.
They have plenty of opportunity, they just choose not to use it.
OP has clearly never been bullied.
I still feel the effects of when I was bullied in elementary school.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;29421766]I agree, there is a degree where bullying is pure evil. But the bullying which [I]isn't [/I]pure evil, the typical name calling shit at school, the "Give me your lunch money or I'll beat the shit out of you", the douchebag in class that does everything in his power to publicly humiliate you, that kind of bullying helps build your character.
It either makes you or breaks you. It all depends on how you choose to react and handle the situation.
Yeah, you're totally right. I'd definitely laugh at someone for getting hit by a bus because I'm clearly not sensitive to anything, I mean it's not like I have feelings for people and what they experience. I'm just an asshole, right?
I don't respect someone who commits suicide because of bullying. I don't respect someone who goes on a shooting rampage because of bullying. However, I most definitely respect someone who retains their integrity and comes out winning in all of the chaos they were experiencing.
As for bullying amongst children, the child being bullied can still do something against it. They can tell a teacher, a parent, whoever they look up to. If they don't because they feel scared and intimidated, then that's their fault. Not doing something when you have the ability to do so gives me the illusion that you want things to stay exactly as they are.
1. Very true
2. It may just make the bully quit bothering him. As for "a prey that can't defend itself", we can all defend ourselves. Everybody has a choice. Defending oneself is not limited to knowing how to beat the shit out of someone.
3. Definitely true.[/QUOTE]
It does not build character, it just causes social problems.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;29421766]I agree, there is a degree where bullying is pure evil. But the bullying which [I]isn't [/I]pure evil, the typical name calling shit at school, [b]the "Give me your lunch money or I'll beat the shit out of you", the douchebag in class that does everything in his power to publicly humiliate you, that kind of bullying helps build your character.[/b]
It either makes you or breaks you. It all depends on how you choose to react and handle the situation.[/quote]
So, you're fine with something being evil as long as it's not [i]pure[/i] evil?
I'm pretty sure getting robbed and getting publicly humiliated doesn't build your character. In fact, I'm pretty sure it does the exact motherfucking opposite. You know what? No, I'm more sure than that. Getting humiliated [b]is, literally, the exact opposite of building character[/b].
You seriously think getting the shit beaten out of you, or being tied to a pole, or getting sexually harassed in public, "builds character"? My god, the only quote I can remember of someone saying "X builds character" was the father from [i]Calvin and Hobbes[/i], and it was fucking hilarious because [i]no one could be that fucking stupid and wrong[/i].
[quote]Yeah, you're totally right. I'd definitely laugh at someone for getting hit by a bus because I'm clearly not sensitive to anything, I mean it's not like I have feelings for people and what they experience. I'm just an asshole, right?
I don't respect someone who commits suicide because of bullying. I don't respect someone who goes on a shooting rampage because of bullying. However, I most definitely respect someone who retains their integrity and comes out winning in all of the chaos they were experiencing.[/quote]
So, you only have sympathy for people who "win"? Who the fuck are you, Charlie Sheen?
You don't feel any sympathy for people who feel so helpless, so useless, so hated, so threatened, so scared, that they feel the only way out is through suicide or murder?
Hell, isn't the murder just an extreme reaction to extreme bullying in the way that beating the bully up is just a reaction to normal bullying? You do think that you can just beat up someone bullying you. So beat them up more if they're bullying you even more, right?
[quote]As for bullying amongst children, the child being bullied can still do something against it. They can tell a teacher, a parent, whoever they look up to. If they don't because they feel scared and intimidated, then that's their fault. Not doing something when you have the ability to do so gives me the illusion that you want things to stay exactly as they are.[/quote]
Did you seriously just say that it's their fault for being intimidated?
Did you seriously just fucking say that it's their fault for being intimidated?
[b]Did you seriously just MOTHERFUCKING say that it's their fault for being intimidated!?[/b]
[quote]1. Very true
2. It may just make the bully quit bothering him. As for "a prey that can't defend itself", we can all defend ourselves. Everybody has a choice. Defending oneself is not limited to knowing how to beat the shit out of someone.
3. Definitely true.[/QUOTE]
Except when defending yourself results in the situation getting worse, such as getting suspended or expelled for defending yourself, or getting beat up even more.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29422877]It does not build character, it just causes social problems.[/QUOTE]
It's done both for me. I may not have had the really cruel bullies some people have had, but it's safe for me to say that throughout middle and high school I've always had at least one person on me being a douchebag, or in the case of middle school, mostly everyone in the class. I know everyone handles things differently. I generally have more patience than a lot of people. I bet a lot of other people wouldn't have been able to handle what I did in middle school. I'm just going to say that in a twisted way it's helped make me stronger, and it seems it's done the same for some other people.
Of course I'm not advocating bullying. It's cruel and retarded. I hate bullies as much as the next guy. I'm just saying it can help eventually too for some people. You know, after the huge pit of hopeless depression you fall into.
[editline]25th April 2011[/editline]
And before you get on what I said, Last or First, I want you to pay attention to the part where I said "I didn't have the really cruel bullies" part.
[editline]25th April 2011[/editline]
And to add to what I said, I would like to reiterate that I am not saying I'm okay with bullies. Especially the really fucked up ones that take things way too far.
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