• Enough With This Antibullying Bullshit
    1,046 replies, posted
[QUOTE=x_xPwntx_x;29423061]It's done both for me. I may not have had the really cruel bullies some people have had, but it's safe for me to say that throughout middle and high school I've always had at least one person on me being a douchebag, or in the case of middle school, mostly everyone in the class. I know everyone handles things differently. I generally have more patience than a lot of people. I bet a lot of other people wouldn't have been able to handle what I did in middle school. I'm just going to say that in a twisted way it's helped make me stronger, and it seems it's done the same for some other people. Of course I'm not advocating bullying. It's cruel and retarded. I hate bullies as much as the next guy. I'm just saying it can help eventually too for some people. You know, after the huge pit of hopeless depression you fall into.[/QUOTE] Actually, that seems pretty much right. Can bullying 'build character' for some people? Yeah. But you can't just justify it saying that it always builds character, and that the people it breaks don't deserve any respect. (Not 'you' as in you, but 'you' as nonspecific 'anyone')
2 years ago i got bullied by this one kid, well, of course, from right at the beginning, i didnt tolerate that shit and i instantly fought back, it was easy, and i once accidentally caused him a concussion. But lets skip to the present and i can say were pretty much friends now
[QUOTE=x_xPwntx_x;29423061]It's done both for me. I may not have had the really cruel bullies some people have had, but it's safe for me to say that throughout middle and high school I've always had at least one person on me being a douchebag, or in the case of middle school, mostly everyone in the class. I know everyone handles things differently. I generally have more patience than a lot of people. I bet a lot of other people wouldn't have been able to handle what I did in middle school. I'm just going to say that in a twisted way it's helped make me stronger, and it seems it's done the same for some other people. Of course I'm not advocating bullying. It's cruel and retarded. I hate bullies as much as the next guy. I'm just saying it can help eventually too for some people. You know, after the huge pit of hopeless depression you fall into. [editline]25th April 2011[/editline] And before you get on what I said, Last or First, I want you to pay attention to the part where I said "I didn't have the really cruel bullies" part. [editline]25th April 2011[/editline] And to add to what I said, I would like to reiterate that I am not saying I'm okay with bullies. Especially the really fucked up ones that take things way too far.[/QUOTE] Due to my religious beliefs I had what seemed like my entire primary school against me for the last two years in primary school, even the people who did like me would never admit to liking me. However this was mostly because the idiots running the school decided they where going to force their beliefs down everyone's throats by making us sing hymns and a morning prayer every Monday, which due to my families opposing religious beliefs I could not take part in, thus singling me out from the crowd. I never forced my beliefs on everyone, in fact I generally kept them to myself, however some people just don't like those who are different.
[QUOTE=Last or First;29423011]So, you're fine with something being evil as long as it's not [i]pure[/i] evil? I'm pretty sure getting robbed and getting publicly humiliated doesn't build your character. In fact, I'm pretty sure it does the exact motherfucking opposite. You know what? No, I'm more sure than that. Getting humiliated [b]is, literally, the exact opposite of building character[/b]. You seriously think getting the shit beaten out of you, or being tied to a pole, or getting sexually harassed in public, "builds character"? My god, the only quote I can remember of someone saying "X builds character" was the father from [i]Calvin and Hobbes[/i], and it was fucking hilarious because [i]no one could be that fucking stupid and wrong[/i]. [/quote] You either get your shit together and deal with it, or you don't do anything at all and if it's severe enough, kill yourself. It can either make you stronger or make you crumble. [quote]So, you only have sympathy for people who "win"? Who the fuck are you, Charlie Sheen? You don't feel any sympathy for people who feel so helpless, so useless, so hated, so threatened, so scared, that they feel the only way out is through suicide or murder? Hell, isn't the murder just an extreme reaction to extreme bullying in the way that beating the bully up is just a reaction to normal bullying? You do think that you can just beat up someone bullying you. So beat them up more if they're bullying you even more, right? [/quote] For the first part, yes. If someone's down about someone they know dying or breaking up with a significant other that's totally different, but the long term "Oh god I have this horrible depression and this deep void in me that nothing can fill what do I do" bullshit deserves not a single shred of respect from me. I can't respect someone who doesn't even bother respecting themselves. [quote]Did you seriously just say that it's their fault for being intimidated? Did you seriously just fucking say that it's their fault for being intimidated? [b]Did you seriously just MOTHERFUCKING say that it's their fault for being intimidated!?[/b][/quote] Yes and no. If they're scared by a bully and they want it to stop, then they have a plethora of decisions to make in getting their torment to come to an end. Choosing not to make a step towards ending that torment due to the fear they feel from the intimidation being put on by the bully is entirely at fault of the victim. [quote]Except when defending yourself results in the situation getting worse, such as getting suspended or expelled for defending yourself, or getting beat up even more.[/QUOTE] That's right, it's called taking leaps of faith. There is no such thing as 100% certainty in this universe, either. I do not advocate using violence to win in disputes. However, in some cases, violence is the only thing that a victim of bullying may understand and know. We react with what we know and understand, right? [QUOTE=Last or First;29423184]Actually, that seems pretty much right. Can bullying 'build character' for some people? Yeah. But you can't just justify it saying that it always builds character, and that the people it breaks don't deserve any respect. (Not 'you' as in you, but 'you' as nonspecific 'anyone')[/QUOTE] For the record, I never once said bullying [I]always[/I] builds character. I figured that was implied when I said "It can either make you or break you."
[QUOTE=haloguy234;29415870]And then you escalate your efforts in [I]not[/I] giving a shit.[/QUOTE] It's this simple, folks. That's why there's now no more bullying because everyone can do this so simply.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29386724]I can understand physical violence messing with someone but if something as simple as words gets through to you, you need to grow some thicker skin. Seriously.[/QUOTE] "simple as words"... Words can have more power than you can ever imagine. Words can scar you for life in ways you cannot fathom. Stop thinking you're right all the time, especially in topics you know nothing about.
It's the same I heard over "Ross Kemp on Gangs" on Discovery Channel. Ross was studying then a neonazi gang in Moscow, Russia. Their leader, Dmitry, said that it is vital to eliminate anyone not being native to the nation, in example taking out every Takistani, every Mongol, Chineese and other Asians off Russia, even if it means beating to death. I am a Russian myself, and while watching that Dmitry talk like this I wanted to take a bigger gun and shoot his balls off. Who gives a fuck there are foreigners in your country. If a person is good in general, who gives a fuck about his apperance? Same as saying all Germans were Nazi and should fry to death.
being overweight, do you know how much HELL i was given in school? I contemplated suicide, but i kept moving and now make a (barely) 6 digit yearly income. Do I think it made me stronger? Maybe.
[QUOTE=alex-is-epic;29423854]being overweight, do you know how much HELL i was given in school? I contemplated suicide, but i kept moving and now make a (barely) 6 digit yearly income. Do I think it made me stronger? Maybe.[/QUOTE] Are you still fat?
[QUOTE=Don Merino;29418631]I know I might be 10 pages late, but I can't be assed to read through all of them. "Bullies have been around forever, so bullying must be right." That's called a fallacy.[/QUOTE] Smoking happens everyday, so therefore it is right. [editline]25th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Explosions;29423868]Are you still fat?[/QUOTE] A little overweight yes, but not that bad.
[QUOTE=bunguer;29423712]"simple as words"... Words can have more power than you can ever imagine. Words can scar you for life in ways you cannot fathom. Stop thinking you're right all the time, especially in topics you know nothing about.[/QUOTE] Yeah, he has a differing viewpoint from yours so he's just wrong. [QUOTE=mikfoz;29423656]It's this simple, folks. That's why there's now no more bullying because everyone can do this so simply.[/QUOTE] It is that simple if you let it be that simple.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;29422634]They have plenty of opportunity, they just choose not to use it.[/QUOTE] What about physically weaker kids who have to deal with groups of bullies? What opportunity do they have?
Get somebody else to help them with their problem?
Ok, it's clear you're just grasping at straws and have never had to deal with anything remotely like this. Just stop posting.
Yeah, it's not like I had a deep bout of depression for three years while I was in middle school. It's not like I was ridiculed for reeking of nicotine and cigarette smoke, or for being fat, or for having man boobs. It's not like I woke up each and every morning thinking "This day is going to fucking suck." It's not like I sat in my desk to be called a faggot each and every day by some narrow-minded prick who sat in front of me. It's not like each and every day my shit was stolen from me, or I was stabbed in the back with pencils, or I was chased around the classroom by some dick trying to slap me as hard as he could on my back. It's not like I knew what to do or handle my problems, or bothered to respect myself, or actually believed the bullshit which was being fed to me. Yeah, you're right, I must have never have experienced anything remotely like this because I said to myself "Fuck this shit" and did something about it.
So, if that happened to you, why didn't you follow you own advice? It's not like you fucking have first hand experience in succeeding in that shit. [editline]25th April 2011[/editline] You're preaching shit you haven't tried and proved wrong just by being alive? Are you fucking retarded?
What are you talking about? You said I clearly had no experience in the world of being bullied and tormented, and I backed myself up with shit that happened five years ago. It doesn't happen now and I refuse to ever let it happen again because it was horrible shit, and I ended up winning in the end because I actually mustered the will to do something about what was happening to me, and "doing something about it if you're so sick of it" is exactly what I've been preaching in this thread.
[QUOTE=alex-is-epic;29423854]being overweight, do you know how much HELL i was given in school? I contemplated suicide, but i kept moving and now make a (barely) 6 digit yearly income. Do I think it made me stronger? Maybe.[/QUOTE] you probably should have ate less!!!
[QUOTE=haloguy234;29424342]Yeah, it's not like I had a deep bout of depression for three years while I was in middle school. It's not like I was ridiculed for reeking of nicotine and cigarette smoke, or for being fat, or for having man boobs. It's not like I woke up each and every morning thinking "This day is going to fucking suck." It's not like I sat in my desk to be called a faggot each and every day by some narrow-minded prick who sat in front of me. It's not like each and every day my shit was stolen from me, or I was stabbed in the back with pencils, or I was chased around the classroom by some dick trying to slap me as hard as he could on my back. It's not like I knew what to do or handle my problems, or bothered to respect myself, or actually believed the bullshit which was being fed to me. Yeah, you're right, I must have never have experienced anything remotely like this because I said to myself "Fuck this shit" and did something about it.[/QUOTE] I thought you said you could just not give a shit? And then if they escalate it, you just give less of a shit? You claim it is simple, yet even you could not do it.
[QUOTE=alex-is-epic;29423854]being overweight, do you know how much HELL i was given in school? I contemplated suicide, but i kept moving and now make a (barely) 6 digit yearly income. Do I think it made me stronger? Maybe.[/QUOTE] To be honest, whatever kept you going was probably already a personality trait that you had in the first place. [editline]25th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=The Mighty Boatman;29426932]you probably should have ate less!!![/QUOTE] If it was just a case of eating less don't you think most fat people would just turn thin?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29427857]I thought you said you could just not give a shit? And then if they escalate it, you just give less of a shit? You claim it is simple, yet even you could not do it.[/QUOTE] No, I could do it. That's exactly what I did. I quit giving a shit and I quit being bothered. I also managed to pull a pole out of my ass, that did wonders.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29428032] If it was just a case of eating less don't you think most fat people would just turn thin?[/QUOTE] Maybe we should use eugenics against fat people shit thread crossover zone
These threads all follow the same formula. -People attempt to victimize themselves and justify their inability to handle whatever situation they were put in. -People who have been through something similar but handled it much better tell former people that it's their fault they couldn't handle it. -First group of people jump on the "You just don't understand what we went through + you're wrong because we say so and we're right because we say so fuck your logical arguments" train. It's like pricking two people with a needle. One person bawls their eyes out, the other feels the pain but doesn't let it get to them. The person that toughs it out looks to the crybaby and says "It's not that bad, deal with it," and the crybaby goes "OMG YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND PAIN IS DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE YOU CANNOT FATHOM WHAT I AM GOING THROUGH."
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29428388]Maybe we should use eugenics against fat people [b]shit thread crossover zone[/b][/QUOTE] We've already passed that. Somebody already invoked Godwin's law a while back. [QUOTE=MaverickIB;29428430]These threads all follow the same formula. -People attempt to victimize themselves and justify their inability to handle whatever situation they were put in. -People who have been through something similar but handled it much better tell former people that it's their fault they couldn't handle it. -First group of people jump on the "You just don't understand what we went through + you're wrong because we say so and we're right because we say so fuck your logical arguments" train. It's like pricking two people with a needle. One person bawls their eyes out, the other feels the pain but doesn't let it get to them. The person that toughs it out looks to the crybaby and says "It's not that bad, deal with it," and the crybaby goes "OMG YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND PAIN IS DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE YOU CANNOT FATHOM WHAT I AM GOING THROUGH."[/QUOTE] "People cruelly bullied me throughout school! It causes me to be depressed even to this day. My family even had to eventually had to deal with the school it was so bad." "Oh, suck it up, I've been through the same shit. Somebody called me fat once." SO SIMILAR
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29428430]The person that toughs it out looks to the crybaby and says "It's not that bad, deal with it," and the crybaby goes "OMG YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND PAIN IS DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE YOU CANNOT FATHOM WHAT I AM GOING THROUGH."[/QUOTE] And in an amazing twist the second person in this example is the correct one and the first person is the arrogant douchetwat who thinks a little too highly of himself and has a username that starts with M
That seems to be the argument most of you kids use to justify yourselves. "No, you're wrong because you're the minority." When in fact, I'm not. The majority of people don't develop all kinds of mental problems from bullying. The majority of people don't get depressed and kill themselves. The majority of people handle problems like the majority of people, not by killing themselves or others. You fail to understand that the people who get all kinds of psychological problems from trivial shit like bullying are the minority. If anyone thinks too highly of themselves, it's kids that attempt to justify their inability to handle life by saying they've had it harder than anyone else.
The OP is talking out of his ass. This thread is basically filled with Internet tough guys that try to come up with excuses for treating others badly.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29428696]That seems to be the argument most of you kids use to justify yourselves. "No, you're wrong because you're the minority." When in fact, I'm not. The majority of people don't develop all kinds of mental problems from bullying. The majority of people don't get depressed and kill themselves. The majority of people handle problems like the majority of people, not by killing themselves or others. You fail to understand that the people who get all kinds of psychological problems from trivial shit like bullying are the minority. If anyone thinks too highly of themselves, it's kids that attempt to justify their inability to handle life by saying they've had it harder than anyone else.[/QUOTE] You do know that not everyone gets the same bullying, right? And that not everyone has the same personality, right? And that bullying causing 5 people to die or get major psychological problems is 5 people too many, right? [editline]25th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=haloguy234;29424342]Yeah, it's not like I had a deep bout of depression for three years while I was in middle school. It's not like I was ridiculed for reeking of nicotine and cigarette smoke, or for being fat, or for having man boobs. It's not like I woke up each and every morning thinking "This day is going to fucking suck." It's not like I sat in my desk to be called a faggot each and every day by some narrow-minded prick who sat in front of me. It's not like each and every day my shit was stolen from me, or I was stabbed in the back with pencils, or I was chased around the classroom by some dick trying to slap me as hard as he could on my back. It's not like I knew what to do or handle my problems, or bothered to respect myself, or actually believed the bullshit which was being fed to me. Yeah, you're right, I must have never have experienced anything remotely like this because I said to myself "Fuck this shit" and did something about it.[/QUOTE] So, you've been through bullying, got depressed from it, and eventually survived, but you have no sympathy for the people in the similar or worse situations who haven't or can't deal with it the same way you did? Well, there [i]are[/i] women in the Republican Party, so this isn't actually all that implausible either, I guess.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;29428129]No, I could do it. That's exactly what I did. I quit giving a shit and I quit being bothered. I also managed to pull a pole out of my ass, that did wonders.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=haloguy234;29424342]Yeah, it's not like I had a deep bout of depression for three years while I was in middle school.[/QUOTE] Clearly you didn't.
I agree. I'm not trying to justify bullying. I just think it's outrageous when people try to justify their psychological problems with this stupid concept that anyone exposed to that situation would be the same way. As if there was nothing they could do about it and it's totally normal to have your brain shit itself like that. If you let your life get ruined by something as simple as getting pushed around and called names, you're a mentally weak individual. It got to you because you couldn't handle it, not because it was so intense that anyone would have been broken in the same situation. So yes, bullying is wrong and yes, some people take it harder than others. However, those people that take it harder than others are the minority and have no business imposing this concept that it wasn't their fault in the slightest that they came out of it with psychological problems. It's like a kid shooting up a school after playing violent video games. Sure, he shouldn't have been exposed to those games and the parents are mostly at fault, but at the same time the kid isn't completely innocent and normal. The kid obviously had some screws loose. If you shoot up a school because you were bullied, then yeah, bullying might have been the catalyst, but the culprit behind the ordeal is you having screws loose. Screws that were loose the second you were born. Just because you appeared completely normal until you started getting bullied doesn't mean you were completely normal before you got bullied, there could have been plenty of repressed things going on in your head. Putting all of the blame on bullying, claiming it alters completely normal kids with no problems into school shooters and whatnot is outright fucking retarded.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.