• Enough With This Antibullying Bullshit
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[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29437010]They choose to do nothing about it.[/QUOTE] They were never given that choice :colbert:
There's always a choice. Always. No matter what situation someone is in, there's always something they can do about it. It might not be easy, but that's life, very few things are easy.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29437010]They choose to do nothing about it.[/QUOTE] Or maybe they tried to get help and it failed It's not black and white. Mind getting to the proof I requested or are you just going to keep circling around it and then saying I'm not addressing your points [editline]26th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MaverickIB;29437065]There's always a choice. Always. No matter what situation someone is in, there's always something they can do about it. It might not be easy, but that's life, very few things are easy.[/QUOTE] Little kids don't know that do they?
[QUOTE=mokkan;29437072]Or maybe they tried to get help and it failed It's not black and white. Mind getting to the proof I requested or are you just going to keep circling around it and then saying I'm not addressing your points [editline]26th April 2011[/editline] Little kids don't know that do they?[/QUOTE] That was my point, a choice is only truly one when you know its there. If you have no idea then how do you know what choices you have?
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29437010]They choose to do nothing about it.[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand the things that go into choices Choices aren't always actually choices
[QUOTE=Swilly;29437117]That was my point, a choice is only truly one when you know its there. If you have no idea then how do you know what choices you have?[/QUOTE] You don't Maverick is saying that because he did everyone automatically does, yet he can't see that it's not at all logical to believe that.
The kid that shot up VT had previous problems. The guys at Columbine had previous problems. Hell, just running through the wikipedia list of notable school shootings is evidence enough. Nearly every one that says something about the person involved talks about how they've always done disturbing things and whatnot. Am I going to compile an extensive report just to shut some kid up online? No, I'm not. If you really try to get help, there's no such thing as failing. Obviously whatever the situation is isn't bad enough if you give finding help a single shot and then say "oh well, I guess I can't find help." If you continuously look for help and are shot down, it's probably more a problem with your methods of finding help than it is finding help itself. Tugging on your mother's pant leg and whispering that boys are picking on you at school so she can't hear it isn't trying to get help. [editline]25th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=mokkan;29437149]You don't Maverick is saying that because he did everyone automatically does, yet he can't see that it's not at all logical to believe that.[/QUOTE] Have I ever once said "Becuase I did, everyone does." No. I've said "Everyone does. I did." Big difference between the two. I have never made the statement that I set the standard for everyone else. I have simply talked about the standard and then stated that I fit into the standard. It'd be like me saying "A lot of people have red cars, I do." Am I saying "A lot of people have red cars because I do." No.
[QUOTE=mokkan;29437072]Or maybe they tried to get help and it failed[/QUOTE] Someone was sexually harassed by this boy in school. She spoke to her mother about it, and the school. The school talked to him. He lied. He got away with it, and is free to go.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29437193]Am I going to compile an extensive report just to shut some kid up online? No, I'm not. [/QUOTE] Stop arguing then.
Once again you choose to generalise. You said that all people who commit suicide or shoot up their school had problems before the bullying. You are just taking a few examples and applying them to millions of people AKA generalising. You have no proof to back up your claim that all people who commit suicide or shoot up their school had preexisting problems. Heck, you even said that people who consider doing either have problems before the bullying. Be honest with yourself, read back over your posts. You have consistently said that because you did X that all people should be able to do X, which is no more then the stupid generalisations of an ignorant armchair psychologist. I noticed you called me a kid. Are you actually going to start being condescending again? It was nice when you only spurted your bullshit instead of being a condescending prick on top. [editline]26th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=LegndNikko;29437303]Someone was sexually harassed by this boy in school. She spoke to her mother about it, and the school. The school talked to him. He lied. He got away with it, and is free to go.[/QUOTE] Shit like this is far, far too common
I suggest you go back and read my posts, I never said people should be able to do something because I did it. I say people should be able to do something that I happened to have done. A few examples? School shootings aren't that common. I think a good handful of school shootings is more than enough to make a hypothesis about the majority of them. Millions of people? Yeah, I seriously doubt millions of people are that seriously affected by bullying. I have some proof. Maybe not complete irrefutable proof, but it's there. More than you've ever provided toward kids being 100 percent okay prior to being bullied. I noticed you noticing me using the word kid. Are you actually going to start whining about me being condescending? Is it so abstract of a concept that I'm going to be condescending towards someone who tries to justify completely illogical actions? [editline]25th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;29437307]Stop arguing then.[/QUOTE] I love you too.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29437528]I suggest you go back and read my posts, I never said people should be able to do something because I did it. I say people should be able to do something that I happened to have done. A few examples? School shootings aren't that common. I think a good handful of school shootings is more than enough to make a hypothesis about the majority of them. Millions of people? Yeah, I seriously doubt millions of people are that seriously affected by bullying. I have some proof. Maybe not complete irrefutable proof, but it's there. More than you've ever provided toward kids being 100 percent okay prior to being bullied. I noticed you noticing me using the word kid. Are you actually going to start whining about me being condescending? Is it so abstract of a concept that I'm going to be condescending towards someone who tries to justify completely illogical actions? [editline]25th April 2011[/editline] I love you too.[/QUOTE] You have provided 2-3 examples while promising loads more exist. I'm not the one claiming that 100% of people have a certain aspect. Sure, some kids already have problems. Doesn't mean I did, and it doesn't mean everyone does. You on the other hand IF YOU CONSIDER DOING THAT YOU HAVE A FEW SCREWS LOSE
Fuck you OP When a bully is demented enough to hit you in the face with stacked textbooks you don't build courage or character You build bottled up emotions You know little about this subject in many ways. There's no fucking way its anybodys fault that they're intimidated. As a child you think that there's no fucking way that they can punish a bully enough. When you're ten you think there's no possible way you could take this person down. When I was young there was no hope. Of course now I wouldve fought the fuck back. Fuck getting my ass kicked I'd rather go down with a fight. Oh how I wish my mentality was different.
The idea is to choose if you want to fight or avoid it. Best advice is both. Better to fight, and see how it goes with the bully being a hardass or leaving you alone, if you beat him up, but enjoy your detention.
[QUOTE=Saren;29440929]The idea is to choose if you want to fight or avoid it. Best advice is both. Better to fight, and see how it goes with the bully being a hardass or leaving you alone, if you beat him up, but enjoy your detention.[/QUOTE] A lot of bullies will leave you alone if you fight back, but some are psychos who will just beat you to a pulp if you try it (or tell their equally psychotic dad/big brother). A lot of people in this thread don't seem to have had any dealings with the type of kids that really have something wrong with them. The kind that will create a vendetta over anything: Being short, tall, fat, poor, rich, new... and keep that vendetta going for years. I had a friend who eventually moved away after being bullied. Over a period of about 6 months he had his bag stolen and thrown in a cesspit, a number of stones and golf balls was thrown at him, he and his dog were shot with an air rifle, his house had windows smashed. But the group of bullies were never caught doing any of this stuff, so they were untouchable.
A question: Propose these kids who do these things have all these underlying psychological problems. That's utterly irrelevant, because we can't know what problems they had beforehand. Not with any true accuracy and reliability for everyone. We have to stop bullying because we can't know who is going to snap, who can't take it.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29428430]These threads all follow the same formula. -People attempt to victimize themselves and justify their inability to handle whatever situation they were put in. -People who have been through something similar but handled it much better tell former people that it's their fault they couldn't handle it. -First group of people jump on the "You just don't understand what we went through + you're wrong because we say so and we're right because we say so fuck your logical arguments" train. It's like pricking two people with a needle. One person bawls their eyes out, the other feels the pain but doesn't let it get to them. The person that toughs it out looks to the crybaby and says "It's not that bad, deal with it," and the crybaby goes "OMG YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND PAIN IS DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE YOU CANNOT FATHOM WHAT I AM GOING THROUGH."[/QUOTE] This. People always think they are the only ones that have gone through shit (and not only with bullying, mind you).
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;29356726]But think about it like this, if you were a caveman, and were overweight you couldn't hunt very well, or escape danger and you would most likely die. Or you know, listen to the bullies and lose weight? Or just fucking stand up for yourself, it's not that hard...[/QUOTE] I think it has the opposite effect. You'd want to defy the bullies by not losing weight, complying with them will make it seem like they've won.
I think that the problem with these threads is that a lot of people have a mentality which only allows them to acknowledge two points of view. Theirs (correct) Everything else (incorrect) It doesn't matter if somebody comes along with a third point of view, it gets put into the 'everything else' category.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;29435131]It is entirely their fault because they have the power to choose where their life goes, and instead they choose to put it in the hands of some prick bullies.[/QUOTE] Again SOME fucking people CAN'T [editline]26th April 2011[/editline] Even then, why does it matter? Why spend your fucking time making a victim out of bullies. Haloguy, lets face it, you're heartless prick who thinks the world can just change it self because you say it should. [editline]26th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MaverickIB;29435731]According to who? You? That shit is just amazing. I tell you what you experienced wasn't shit and you get all butthurt about it saying I don't know what you went through blah blah blah, but then you turn around and say I haven't experienced anything major despite only touching on it briefly? I have addressed your points, jesus christ, are you just copy/pasting what I say and using it back on me? Holy shit, what a piece of work you are. How have you addressed anything I have said in any way other than some form of saying "you don't understand" or "you're arrogant?"[/QUOTE] You can't be a symbol of morality when you're dealing with shit you have never experienced. Or, also in your case, you're too fucking pants on head retarded to realise that SOME people are different then you. [editline]26th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MaverickIB;29437528] Millions of people? Yeah, I seriously doubt millions of people are that seriously affected by bullying. [/QUOTE] Not only are you an asshole, you're an ignorant fuck too. [editline]26th April 2011[/editline] Well, I guess we already knew that.
Simple way to stop internet bullying. It's called blocking. And turning the computer off.
[QUOTE=Hana-San;29443633]Simple way to stop internet bullying. It's called blocking. And turning the computer off.[/QUOTE] To be honest, cyber bullying is a different matter entirely, and is easily dealt with unlike many other forms, in theory.
[QUOTE=amute;29443157]Again SOME fucking people CAN'T [editline]26th April 2011[/editline] Even then, why does it matter? Why spend your fucking time making a victim out of bullies. Haloguy, lets face it, you're heartless prick who thinks the world can just change it self because you say it should. [editline]26th April 2011[/editline] You can't be a symbol of morality when you're dealing with shit you have never experienced. Or, also in your case, you're too fucking pants on head retarded to realise that SOME people are different then you. [editline]26th April 2011[/editline] Not only are you an asshole, you're an ignorant fuck too. [editline]26th April 2011[/editline] Well, I guess we already knew that.[/QUOTE] All I read was "bla bla you're stupid and heartless bla bla"
I just can't believe that anybody would say that it's somebody's own fault that they are being bullied.
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;29444978]I just can't believe that anybody would say that it's somebody's own fault that they are being bullied.[/QUOTE] I find it wrong to say that it's your fault you get bullied, but I do say you can (obvious exceptions like religion, race etc) change yourself and that it is probably the best for yourself to do that if you can not deal with bullies
[QUOTE=BrQ;29445294]I find it wrong to say that it's your fault you get bullied, but I do say you can (obvious exceptions like religion, race etc) change yourself and that it is probably the best for yourself to do that if you can not deal with bullies[/QUOTE] Why the fuck should you change to please some little shit? They're the ones with the problem Also there are quite a lot of exceptions along with race and religion. I've seen someone bullied constantly because his family is poor, there wasn't much he could do about that and he didn't have the option of changing school. He was quite lucky in a sense, he was only called names and beaten up. And the friend I mentioned who was basically bullied out of his home was chosen because he was freakishly tall. He tried standing up for himself and it got worse until the fuckers nearly killed his dog.
Placing the blame on the bullied for being bullied makes absolutely no sense. It's like blaming a woman for being raped.
[QUOTE=Sanius;29446543]Placing the blame on the bullied for being bullied makes absolutely no sense. It's like blaming a woman for being raped.[/QUOTE] Nobody is blaming the person being bullied for being bullied. I'm blaming the people being bullied for not doing anything about it until they have all of these problems. What I'm doing is the equivalent of blaming a woman that got raped for not filing a police report or seeking therapy until a year after it happened. Yeah, the rapist is a terrible person and what they did is as wrong as wrong gets, but if the girl doesn't get help until a year later because she was embarrassed or whatever, it's her damn fault she let it mess with her for that long.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29446957] What I'm doing is the equivalent of blaming a woman that got raped for not filing a police report or seeking therapy until a year after it happened. Yeah, the rapist is a terrible person and what they did is as wrong as wrong gets, but if the girl doesn't get help until a year later because she was embarrassed or whatever, it's her damn fault she let it mess with her for that long.[/QUOTE] So you're a misogynist is addition to being an alpha male. Thanks for clearing that up.
Is this a flamewar yet? It sure smells like one :ohdear: Some people are insecure about themselves which makes them unable to react properly to being bullied. They might also be unable to talk about it to anyone which might drive them to depression. It's not like everyone is able to deal with it. And it's not like all bullying scenarios are the same. [editline]26th April 2011[/editline] Although I think the kids should learn this by themselves, it shouldn't have to be force-fed on them.
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