[QUOTE=st0rmforce;29445967]Why the fuck should you change to please some little shit? They're the ones with the problem
[/QUOTE]
If you can not deal bullies, then it'd be best to please them
[QUOTE=Sanius;29446980]So you're a misogynist is addition to being an alpha male. Thanks for clearing that up.[/QUOTE]
How is that misogyny? If a male gets raped and doesn't get help for a year, it's his fault for not doing so. I simply used a female in the example because they're the ones often associated with rape.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29447159]How is that misogyny?[/QUOTE]
You're blaming women for not seeking help after being raped. Figure it out.
I'm blaming [b]people[/b] (that means male and female) for not seeking help after being raped. Figure it out.
We were both talking about women. Stop trying to cover your ass.
[QUOTE=Sanius;29447245]We were both talking about women. Stop trying to cover your ass.[/QUOTE]
[quote]I simply used a female in the example because they're the ones often associated with rape.[/quote]
Oh great, so now you are putting words into my mouth. You know what I was talking about better than I do. Sure.
What I said was in no way misogynistic.
Misogyny is the hate or dislike of women. Was anything I said hateful towards women? No. I simply said that if someone gets raped and doesn't get help, then they have no one to blame but themselves when the consequences for not seeking help set in. Like I said before, I only used a female in the example because it'd be more easily related to than if I used a male.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29446957]Nobody is blaming the person being bullied for being bullied.
I'm blaming the people being bullied for not doing anything about it until they have all of these problems.
What I'm doing is the equivalent of blaming a woman that got raped for not filing a police report or seeking therapy until a year after it happened. Yeah, the rapist is a terrible person and what they did is as wrong as wrong gets, but if the girl doesn't get help until a year later because she was embarrassed or whatever, it's her damn fault she let it mess with her for that long.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29447335]Oh great, so now you are putting words into my mouth. You know what I was talking about better than I do. Sure.
What I said was in no way misogynistic.
Misogyny is the hate or dislike of women. Was anything I said hateful towards women? No. I simply said that if someone gets raped and doesn't get help, then they have no one to blame but themselves when the consequences for not seeking help set in. Like I said before, I only used a female in the example because it'd be more easily related to than if I used a male.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates[/url]
[url]http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/01/03/the-rape-of-mr-smith/[/url]
[url]http://meloukhia.net/2010/07/but_you_have_to_report_it.html[/url]
Because reporting rape always gets you help, police and courts and other people never blame you for random shit you did, you definitely aren't traumatized by the rape, reporting the rape gets rid of any traumatization, rape kits aren't intrusive, and therapy always works.
[b]Shut.
The fuck.
Up.[/b]
Did I ever say that seeking help magically fixes everything?
No. If you honestly seek all avenues of help and nothing works, then yes, you deserve sympathy. I'm not going to tell someone that exhausted all of their resources "hurr ur fault lol."
However, seeking help, even if it's something as simple as telling a friend about what happened, is virtually always better than not doing anything at all. If you do nothing at all and suffer from that, then it's your fault for not at least trying to find help.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29447488]
No. If you honestly seek all avenues of help and nothing works, then yes, you deserve sympathy. [/QUOTE]
Really? So you don't feel sympathetic for rape victims who are too traumatized or impoverished to seek help? You may as well drop this argument, because you're only digging yourself deeper. You may as well blame homosexuals for their depression if they don't come out of the closet.
Too traumatized to seek help? You mean embarrassed? If a person can't suck up their pride and seek help, then yes, it's their fault for not doing so. Impoverished? Since when do you need money to tell the police about what happened? Since when do you need money to talk to friends and family? Too impoverished to seek help, haha oh wow, you're really scratching at the bottom of the barrel for stuff to say.
If someone is sooooooo traumatized by getting rape that they'd a convulsing wreck with no ability to speak or have logical trains of thought, then of course I'm going to be sympathetic. If it's literally physically/mentally [i]impossible[/i] for you to get help, then you can't be blamed for not doing so yourself.
Hell, I was almost raped once, seriously. It was pretty damn horrifying. Sucking up my pride and telling someone about it was difficult, but if I didn't tell anyone about it and just let it bother the shit out of me, it'd be my fault if something developed out of that.
[QUOTE=Sanius;29447535]Really? So you don't feel sympathetic for rape victims who are too traumatized or impoverished to seek help?[/QUOTE]
Especially since the majority of rape victims are raped by someone they know, and a large number are raped by friends, so it might just seem, to the victim, to be a [b]LITTLE[/b] bit of a bad idea to go to another friend or family member for help in many cases.
Just a little. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29447640]Hell, I was almost raped once, seriously.[/QUOTE]
[i]Heeeeeere[/i] we go...
I'm 16, 6 feet tall, and 320 pounds. Ever since I was 7, I've been bullied. To all you saying bullying should be eliminated, shut the fuck up. If I weren't bullied, I'd be in a much worse place than I am now. Being bullied is what drove me to start attempting to fix what's wrong with me. I'm still fat, but I'm much healthier and active than I would've been if noone pointed out to me that it's not right for someone to be so overweight.
Bullying comes from people being different, and being different comes with being human. Want to eliminate bullying? Good luck removing every platform for people to speak their minds, because until people are completely silenced, there will be no end to bullying, there will be no end to war, and there will be no world peace so shut up about doing the impossible and start focusing your time into something more productive like cancer research.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29447640]Too traumatized to seek help? You mean embarrassed? If a person can't suck up their pride and seek help, then yes, it's their fault for not doing so. Impoverished? Since when do you need money to tell the police about what happened? Since when do you need money to talk to friends and family? Too impoverished to seek help, haha oh wow, you're really scratching at the bottom of the barrel for stuff to say.
If someone is sooooooo traumatized by getting rape that they'd a convulsing wreck with no ability to speak or have logical trains of thought, then of course I'm going to be sympathetic. If it's literally physically/mentally [i]impossible[/i] for you to get help, then you can't be blamed for not doing so yourself.
Hell, I was almost raped once, seriously. It was pretty damn horrifying. Sucking up my pride and telling someone about it was difficult, but if I didn't tell anyone about it and just let it bother the shit out of me, it'd be my fault if something developed out of that.[/QUOTE]
[quote=Google]impoverished
past participle, past tense of im·pov·er·ish (Verb)
1. Make (a person or area) poor
2. Exhaust the strength, vitality, or natural fertility of[/quote]
Impoverished does not simply mean "poor." Not only are you arrogant, but you don't have a grasp on basic English. I'm done with you.
[QUOTE=Sanius;29447535]Really? So you don't feel sympathetic for rape victims who are too traumatized or impoverished to seek help? You may as well drop this argument, because you're only digging yourself deeper. You may as well blame homosexuals for their depression if they don't come out of the closet.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is their fault. You got raped, but now you can either try to get out of the low or stay in it. If you choose to stay in it it's your fault, if you want to get out of it you will (depending on how much you want it).
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29447640]Too traumatized to seek help? You mean embarrassed? If a person can't suck up their pride and seek help, then yes, it's their fault for not doing so. Impoverished? Since when do you need money to tell the police about what happened? Since when do you need money to talk to friends and family? Too impoverished to seek help, haha oh wow, you're really scratching at the bottom of the barrel for stuff to say.
If someone is sooooooo traumatized by getting rape that they'd a convulsing wreck with no ability to speak or have logical trains of thought, then of course I'm going to be sympathetic. If it's literally physically/mentally [i]impossible[/i] for you to get help, then you can't be blamed for not doing so yourself.
Hell, I was almost raped once, seriously. It was pretty damn horrifying. Sucking up my pride and telling someone about it was difficult, but if I didn't tell anyone about it and just let it bother the shit out of me, it'd be my fault if something developed out of that.[/QUOTE]
Rape kits can cost money.
Again, in many cases, people are raped by people they knew and trusted, so trust can go out the fucking window. Plus there's the basically 100% chance that the police and courts and other people will ask you a bunch of bullshit about "what you could have done differently" and "why you were raped", as if it was the person's own fucking fault they got raped. Plus all the people who will think you're just a slut who changed her mind, or lying for attention.
Well, "almost raped" isn't exactly the same as "raped", as you might imagine. Kind of like how "almost stabbed in the chest" isn't exactly the same as "stabbed in the motherfucking chest".
And if "almost raped" is already that terrifying (protip: it is), imagine how much more terrifying actually getting raped is.
[QUOTE=Sanius;29447832]Impoverished does not simply mean "poor." Not only are you arrogant, but you don't have a grasp on basic English. I'm done with you.[/QUOTE]
I find it fascinating how you insult him in almost every post of yours
Addendum:
1. Getting traumatized, WOW, messes with your head. You're not going to make the most rational decisions, and / or you're going to be too scared and traumatized to move, let alone trust anyone.
2. There's a very low chance that the rapist will actually get arrested if you report it, while you will definitely be interrogated and forced to repeatedly describe something already traumatizing.
[QUOTE=BrQ;29447870]I find it fascinating that you insult him in almost every post of yours[/QUOTE]
Well that's what happens when you're worth insulting in almost every post.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29446957]
What I'm doing is the equivalent of blaming a woman that got raped for not filing a police report or seeking therapy until a year after it happened. Yeah, the rapist is a terrible person and what they did is as wrong as wrong gets, but if the girl doesn't get help until a year later because she was embarrassed or whatever, it's her damn fault she let it mess with her for that long.[/QUOTE]
Haha and the true colours emerge.
Did it ever occur to you that not being willing to seek out help is part of what the trauma does to a person
[QUOTE=Sanius;29447832]Impoverished does not simply mean "poor." Not only are you arrogant, but you don't have a grasp on basic English. I'm done with you.[/QUOTE]
Impoverished can also mean reduced to a state of poverty.
OH MY GOD I USED A WORD WITH A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT MEANINGS BUT OH MAN YOU DON'T KNOW ENGLISH
Impoverished is used all over the media and by people when referring to people that are in poverty. I have literally never heard a single instance of someone using it to describe their lack of strength, vitality, or fertility. But clearly that means I have no grasp of the English language.
Whatever you say, captain.
Fucking beautiful by the way, completely ignore everything I say and just focus on a single word. Brilliant.
[QUOTE=Last or First;29447855]
Well, "almost raped" isn't exactly the same as "raped", as you might imagine. Kind of like how "almost stabbed in the chest" isn't exactly the same as "stabbed in the motherfucking chest".
And if "almost raped" is already that terrifying (protip: it is), imagine how much more terrifying actually getting raped is.[/QUOTE]
Jesus fuck, it's like every time I give a personal example of something, it gets blown out of proportion. I never said what I experienced was just as bad. Yeah, if almost getting raped was terrifying then I cannot fathom how bad the real thing is. Regardless, it's still up to the person themselves to find help. If they don't at least [B]try[/B] to get help, you're saying it's [B]not[/B] their fault for not getting help?
[QUOTE=amute;29443157]Again
SOME
fucking
people
CAN'T
[/QUOTE]
The freedom to choose is the one thing that can't be stolen from us.
[quote]Even then, why does it matter? Why spend your fucking time making a victim out of bullies. Haloguy, lets face it, you're heartless prick who thinks the world can just change it self because you say it should.[/quote]
I'm a heartless prick who thinks the world can just change itself because I say it should? You don't even fucking know me.
I never said it should. If people are sick of the bullshit that life has to offer, then they should. Yet, here we are.
[QUOTE=BrQ;29445294]I find it wrong to say that it's your fault you get bullied, but I do say you can (obvious exceptions like religion, race etc) change yourself and that it is probably the best for yourself to do that if you can not deal with bullies[/QUOTE]
That is bullshit because changing means they have won
It's also bullshit because there are a lot of people who are the exception you mentioned. I was bullied for my brains, should I act dumb to pacify them?
[QUOTE=mokkan;29448916]That is bullshit because changing means they have won
It's also bullshit because there are a lot of people who are the exception you mentioned. I was bullied for my brains, should I act dumb to pacify them?[/QUOTE]
It's about not getting bullied, not about who wins or not.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29446957]Nobody is blaming the person being bullied for being bullied.
I'm blaming the people being bullied for not doing anything about it until they have all of these problems.
What I'm doing is the equivalent of blaming a woman that got raped for not filing a police report or seeking therapy until a year after it happened. Yeah, the rapist is a terrible person and what they did is as wrong as wrong gets, but if the girl doesn't get help until a year later because she was embarrassed or whatever, it's her damn fault she let it mess with her for that long.[/QUOTE]
To be fair another guy did say it was the victims fault for being intimidated.
What if they look for help, and the school gives them a warning? Big whoop! It happens to be standard practice. What if the school gives them a detention and the bully comes out and bullies you harder for it? What if you hit them back and the school lies to your parents and says you have the behavioral problem? Ect
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29447488]Did I ever say that seeking help magically fixes everything?
No. If you honestly seek all avenues of help and nothing works, then yes, you deserve sympathy. I'm not going to tell someone that exhausted all of their resources "hurr ur fault lol."
However, seeking help, even if it's something as simple as telling a friend about what happened, is virtually always better than not doing anything at all. If you do nothing at all and suffer from that, then it's your fault for not at least trying to find help.[/QUOTE]
That's very very different from what you said before.
What happened to "if the help doesn't work then your not good enough and didn't look hard enough"
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29447640]Too traumatized to seek help? You mean embarrassed? If a person can't suck up their pride and seek help, then yes, it's their fault for not doing so. Impoverished? Since when do you need money to tell the police about what happened? Since when do you need money to talk to friends and family? Too impoverished to seek help, haha oh wow, you're really scratching at the bottom of the barrel for stuff to say.
If someone is sooooooo traumatized by getting rape that they'd a convulsing wreck with no ability to speak or have logical trains of thought, then of course I'm going to be sympathetic. If it's literally physically/mentally [i]impossible[/i] for you to get help, then you can't be blamed for not doing so yourself.
Hell, I was almost raped once, seriously. It was pretty damn horrifying. Sucking up my pride and telling someone about it was difficult, but if I didn't tell anyone about it and just let it bother the shit out of me, it'd be my fault if something developed out of that.[/QUOTE]
I dont care if it happened to you or not, it's still not your fault for being scared.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;29448717]The freedom to choose is the one thing that can't be stolen from us.[/QUOTE]
Wow you really don't understand psychology at all
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29448377]Impoverished can also mean reduced to a state of poverty.
OH MY GOD I USED A WORD WITH A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT MEANINGS BUT OH MAN YOU DON'T KNOW ENGLISH
Impoverished is used all over the media and by people when referring to people that are in poverty. I have literally never heard a single instance of someone using it to describe their lack of strength, vitality, or fertility. But clearly that means I have no grasp of the English language.
Whatever you say, captain.
Fucking beautiful by the way, completely ignore everything I say and just focus on a single word. Brilliant.
Jesus fuck, it's like every time I give a personal example of something, it gets blown out of proportion. I never said what I experienced was just as bad. Yeah, if almost getting raped was terrifying then I cannot fathom how bad the real thing is. Regardless, it's still up to the person themselves to find help. If they don't at least [B]try[/B] to get help, you're saying it's [B]not[/B] their fault for not getting help?[/QUOTE]
I agree, I've only ever heard it as poor.
But you need to get over yourself and stop criticizing for ignoring your points when I'm still waiting for my evidence that 100% of people who consider suicide/murder after bullying have a few screws lose.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=BrQ;29449114]It's about not getting bullied, not about who wins or not.[/QUOTE]
Should I have acted dumb to pacify them?
Haloguy it has to be said that throughout this thread you have consistently talked out of your arse and shown scant regard for the fact that people are different.
Also there is no obligation on anybody to endure bullying from anyone; the person making the choice to be an asshole and with the lack of social grace to realise they have gone too far is the bully.
[QUOTE=mokkan;29449382]
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
Should I have acted dumb to pacify them?[/QUOTE]
I find it weird you even mentioned the part where I said there are exceptions on things you can (hardly) change, yet you ask this.
[QUOTE=BrQ;29449748]I find it weird you even mentioned the part where I said there are exceptions on things you can (hardly) change, yet you ask this.[/QUOTE]
I can easily hide my brains by acting dumb. It isn't changing the fact I am smart, it's masking it which fits your bill
now answer the question. It's quite simple, I'm sure even Maverick could answer it
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