• Enough With This Antibullying Bullshit
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[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29465716]I highly doubt the kids made fun of you because of your test grades, mokkan. You could have [b]acted[/b] stupid and still done well on tests. As long as you didn't go around bragging about your test grades, they never would have known. I "ignored" the rest of your post because that little part was the only part I had something to say on. That doesn't mean I disregarded it, though. [/QUOTE] I don't care if you highly doubt it. You would highly doubt anything if it helped your point I don't know how I could have hid it when right from the start I was the one asked to do anything in class. I seem to have been a natural at reading, I was always asked to read a page or small book in year 1. I can remember being punished when I didn't want to do it as well. To clarify, it didn't start with the shit about me being smart. The bullying was present before that but after they figured out I had a brain it was the one thing they continued to try to lord over me with for the rest of my time there. Other things came and went but that always stayed [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MaverickIB;29466806]It has actually leveled out now that everyone isn't just spouting "YOU'RE ARROGANT YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE YOU'RE IGNORANT" and is actually discussing things.[/QUOTE] because you started posting with some sense
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29479605]I never had that problem in my school, instead nobody got punished[/QUOTE] In Canada, or B.C. at least, punishment of both kids is basically their way of saying that they're generally more concerned about being subject to lawsuit than the wellbeing of either student.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29465716] Once again, I'm not saying we shouldn't try to stop bullying. I'm saying that the [b]focus[/b] of our efforts should be to educate kids about how to handle bullying. Sure, there could be anti-bullying programs going on as well and whatnot, but we should focus on what's most effective, and those bullying programs sure as hell aren't effective. I'm not declaring that we should tolerate bullying. I'm declaring that approaching it head-on with anti-bullying programs isn't the best way of getting rid of it.[/QUOTE] I disagree. I've seen anti-bullying programs work very effectively in my own environment, and I don't see any reason why they wouldn't work in other places. However, even if they weren't as effective, I would still rather do that than instead teach children simply how to cope with it. Why - any sort of move like that simply teaches that bullying is acceptable; if anything, it encourages bullying, as potential bullies will know that the onus now falls upon the victim to avoid them, rather than the bully to simply stop bullying. In my final year of school, we've recently had a number of students with autism enter a middle-class boys school, of roughly 1000 students. Autism isn't something you can miss; for anyone unaware, all autism spectrum disorders manifest through heavy social/behavioral problems. In short, these kids are noticeable, and are a prime target for bullying. From here, you can take two roads based on two philosophies, both with the aim of avoiding bullying. One of these would be to stringently enforce anti-bullying rules and enforce an anti-bullying culture, in order to prevent any harassment of these students (or any others). Another road would be to simply deny these children access - inform these parents that their children will not cope in a mainstream setting, and that they would be best suited to a special school. The first option is based on a no-tolerance approach to bullying; the second on a tolerance approach to bullying. Maverick, I feel your position recommends the second one, and that's essentially why I completely disagree with you - you seem to be suggesting the tolerance of bullying with the aim of minimization through the victim's actions, which is wrong. Bullying should NOT be tolerated under any circumstances, and the onus should NOT be on the victim.
[quote]I'm not declaring that we should tolerate bullying[/quote] hnnnnng is this really so hard to understand. I am [b]not[/b] suggesting tolerating bullying, for the millionth time. I am suggesting putting more effort into teaching kids how to handle ([b]not[/b] "cope," as that implies just putting up with it) bullying than trying to drill "DON'T BULLY" into the heads of children. Both things should be worked on, just the former needs to be focused on.
Except your idea of 'handling it' is "JUST SUCK IT UP, CHAMP". Which A: does not work at all and B: is counter-productive.
When did I ever say that? I never said to tell kids to just suck it up. I remember the bullying seminars in school. They told us to ignore it and walk away, aka "SUCK IT UP CHAMP," which does not work at all, like you said. I'm suggesting that kids be educated on what their options are when they are bullied and be totally realistic with them about it. So, while kids are being educated to seek help from teachers, administrators, or parents, those teachers and whatnot need to be being taught how to be mentors for their students instead of just educators.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29486885]hnnnnng is this really so hard to understand. I am [b]not[/b] suggesting tolerating bullying, for the millionth time. I am suggesting putting more effort into teaching kids how to handle ([b]not[/b] "cope," as that implies just putting up with it) bullying than trying to drill "DON'T BULLY" into the heads of children. Both things should be worked on, just the former needs to be focused on.[/QUOTE] I think part of the problem is that if you go back and read through your posts, the point you've been trying to make seems to have slowly changed over time. I think people are still thinking of your earlier posts.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29486885]hnnnnng is this really so hard to understand. I am [b]not[/b] suggesting tolerating bullying, for the millionth time. I am suggesting putting more effort into teaching kids how to handle ([b]not[/b] "cope," as that implies just putting up with it) bullying than trying to drill "DON'T BULLY" into the heads of children. Both things should be worked on, just the former needs to be focused on.[/QUOTE] We should also work on making women accept their lower wages, and make homosexuals accept that they're hated in by a large percentage of the population. You are so extremely stupid.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;29487834]We should also work on making women accept their lower wages, and make homosexuals accept that they're hated in by a large percentage of the population. You are so extremely stupid.[/QUOTE] Holy dicks. That whole post is about teaching kids to not accept it and explore options on how to deal with it. As in, finding a solution to the problem instead of just living with it. You are so extremely stupid.
This whole thread has basically been people calling each other stupid back and forth. This thread is extremely stupid and so am I for complaining about it.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29486885]hnnnnng is this really so hard to understand. I am [b]not[/b] suggesting tolerating bullying, for the millionth time. I am suggesting putting more effort into teaching kids how to handle ([b]not[/b] "cope," as that implies just putting up with it) bullying than trying to drill "DON'T BULLY" into the heads of children. Both things should be worked on, just the former needs to be focused on.[/QUOTE] Well, that's different to what you've been suggesting previously: that it's impossible to completely eliminate bullying, so instead of trying to we should focus on teaching children how to "cope". That's what people have been getting.
Yeah, but there's a huge difference between "focus on this more than that" and "only do this and completely give up doing that." I never said kids should just learn how to cope. That's a word that has been shoved in my mouth by other people. I said kids should be taught how to deal with/handle the situation realistically because the current method being taught to kids (ignore the bully and walk away) doesn't work at all.
This thread is still going on? LOL.
People need to learn to take care of things themselves, when i was bullied I beat the fuck out of them, I have had no problem after that Sometime the kid just needs to stand up for themself That said i do not think bulling is natural or okay, Both are wrong the bully and those who do nothing about it
[QUOTE=imptastick;29500345]People need to learn to take care of things themselves, when i was bullied I beat the fuck out of them, I have had no problem after that Sometime the kid just needs to stand up for themself That said i do not think bulling is natural or okay, Both are wrong the bully and those who do nothing about it[/QUOTE] Sorry, but it's really hard to beat up someone who is 60% stronger than you, multiple inches taller than you, and is backed up with a friend or two unless you have a baseball bat or something with you. Even with something you could use as a weapon it's still hard to beat up a bully depending on who the bully is.
Yes, when the word bullying or "lol facepunch sucks" in the title topic, it ends in bullying people in the thread, and complaining how facepunch sucks and everyone gets permabanned. It always ends the same, it's just progress.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;29487304]When did I ever say that? I never said to tell kids to just suck it up. [/QUOTE] I think they're saying you did because you were pretty vocal about this being your view on depression in that other thread
you dringus
[quote]Up to a point a man's life is shaped by environment, heredity, and the movements and changes in the world around him. Then there comes a time when it lies within his grasp to shape the clay of his life into the sort of thing he wishes to be. Only the weak blame parents, their race, their times, lack of good fortune, or the quirks of fate. Everyone has it within his power to say, 'This I am today; that I will be tomorrow.' The wish, however, must be implemented by deeds.[/quote]
This shit isn't going to stop, sadly. All bullying does is remove the people weaker in society.
this is the thread where everyone gets to express their idea of a robotic scoiety. example: euthanisatons at the age of 50, can't contribute to society anymore. grind up the bodies into meat rations and feed them to the population. anyone who is even remotely sick is dead, could turn into something serious, and then they wouldn't be able to work. killing them means more food faster. people live in the husks of the dead people, using it for clothing, blankets, etc. watches are sundials made of sinew stretched across bones.
My grade 7 teacher always used to make jokes and say something like "Taking slander with a smile builds personality"
"Builds strength" Pfft I call bullshit, I used to be beat up by this Muslim kid 'cause my mother is Jewish, like, vigorously beat and now I feel I'm such a weak shit I won't ever fight back. It does the exact opposite, what bull. :colbert: [editline]15th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE='Rain [Amber];29836433']My grade 7 teacher always used to make jokes and say something like "Taking slander with a smile builds personality"[/QUOTE] Bully: I wish Hitler had gassed you all Me: :smile:
[QUOTE=Wirexia;29356571]Not everyone can or will fight back.[/QUOTE] ...For those with an IQ of under average. Take fucking karate, IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD!
[QUOTE=space1;29854306]...For those with an IQ of under average. Take fucking karate, IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD![/QUOTE] oh man lets see people who aren't in physical shape or have an actual deficiency in that regard no money to pay for lessons
I think OP is the bullied
People get bullied because they put THEMSELVES into those situations. Bullies bully people because they think they're cool/abusive parents IMO.
In my opinion bullying begets more bullying. Early into my elementary years I was a lovable little tike, bigger than the rest of the kids but totally non-violent. Then some bullying happened, I learned how to punch people in the face and be assertive, and by 5th grade I was a total dickwad. I am totally ashamed of it.
[QUOTE=McCarthy;29854829]People get bullied because they put THEMSELVES into those situations. Bullies bully people because they think they're cool/abusive parents IMO.[/QUOTE] "Rapes happen because women ask for it."
[QUOTE=Kontradaz;29855394]"Rapes happen because women ask for it."[/QUOTE] How the fuck do you compare rape and bullying?
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