• Enough With This Antibullying Bullshit
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[QUOTE=breakyourfac;29356941]I'm not saying every case of bullying is good, I'm just saying that a good 75% of the time the kid is getting bullied about something that he/she has the power to change.[/QUOTE] Why the fuck should they have to change? Why can't they be themselves, or who they want, or what if they just don't give a shit? What if it wasn't bullying over weight, but over a stutter? Political beliefs? Religious beliefs? What if it was dress that the person wanted to dress in? I'm not supporting the anti-bullying thing here- it's unfortunately going to happen, but I'm definitely not stepping on your side and saying that it's the bullieds' fault, or their responsibility to change. Because it's not. It's the bully's responsibility to not be an asshole.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;29357429]Is it right? No. Is it the truth? Yes. Will it ever change? Not in our lifetimes. See above.[/QUOTE] So we shouldn't even try to change it?
[QUOTE=Wiggles;29357457]No it isn't. I can manage to be respectful and polite around everyone so why can't other people?[/QUOTE] Because not everyone was taught refinement and proper behavior in their youth, so they lash out in their basic nature. I'm not taking a stab at you here, the reason you know right from wrong is because of nurture, not nature.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;29357460]No, honestly I think the zero tolerance bullshit is wrong, let the damn kids be kids.[/QUOTE] So you think that teachers should just let bullies mercilessly beat the shit out of others just because they have greater physical strength
Just because a kid is weak, does not mean they cannot fight back. Physical conflict isn't the only way to retaliate against someone.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29357387]Instincts like the one you mentioned should be no part of modern society[/QUOTE] lol good luck explaining that to 6th graders there buddy
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;29357494]Because not everyone was taught refinement and proper behavior in their youth, so they lash out in their basic nature. I'm not taking a stab at you here, the reason you know right from wrong is because of nurture, not nature.[/QUOTE] So we just don't deal with the issue, then, and don't attack bullying by educating and convincing against using this nature as opposed to logic? I don't think what you're saying is a valid excuse for a thinking human being to use to justify violence, abuse, or teasing. I think. Maybe. I'm not sure whose side you;re on here but I think you seemed like you were closer to the OP side earlier.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29357499]So you think that teachers should just let bullies mercilessly beat the shit out of others just because they have greater physical strength[/QUOTE] I swear to god you're a troll, you keep putting words in my mouth(posts?). Occasional name calling like 'fatty fatty two by four can't fit through the bathroom door' is not as evil as the media and soccer moms make it seem. If there is physical violence then sure, tell someone.
[QUOTE=Nasake;29357511]Just because a kid is weak, does not mean they cannot fight back. Physical conflict isn't the only way to retaliate against someone.[/QUOTE] It's the only effective way to deal with most.
i support antibullying it's shitty to see people bully disabled people and it gets me rattled up
[QUOTE=Detective P;29357478]Why the fuck should they have to change? Why can't they be themselves, or who they want, or what if they just don't give a shit? What if it wasn't bullying over weight, but over a stutter? Political beliefs? Religious beliefs? What if it was dress that the person wanted to dress in? I'm not supporting the anti-bullying thing here- it's unfortunately going to happen, but I'm definitely not stepping on your side and saying that it's the bullieds' fault, or their responsibility to change. Because it's not. It's the bully's responsibility to not be an asshole.[/QUOTE] What this good man here said.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29357499]So you think that teachers should just let bullies mercilessly beat the shit out of others just because they have greater physical strength[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ, it's not so fucking black and white. He's saying that "zero tolerance policies", in which (allegedly) kids get suspensions for calling names like "four eyes" is bullshit.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;29357538]I swear to god you're a troll, you keep putting words in my mouth(posts?). Occasional name calling like 'fatty fatty two by four can't fit through the bathroom door' is not as evil as the media and soccer moms make it seem. If there is physical violence then sure, tell someone.[/QUOTE] But in the long run it can be more damaging as it can destroy the child socially.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29357541]It's the only effective way to deal with most.[/QUOTE] ugghhhhhh
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;29357538]I swear to god you're a troll, you keep putting words in my mouth(posts?). Occasional name calling like 'fatty fatty two by four can't fit through the bathroom door' is not as evil as the media and soccer moms make it seem. If there is physical violence then sure, tell someone.[/QUOTE] No, but constantly be degraded and humiliated is psychologically damaging, especially if the kid already has issues and knows that it's a problem. Your 'fatty fatty two by four' thing honestly isn't even what most of the bullying going on today is like.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;29357494]Because not everyone was taught refinement and proper behavior in their youth, so they lash out in their basic nature. I'm not taking a stab at you here, the reason you know right from wrong is because of nurture, not nature.[/QUOTE] Alright, so instead of telling those who are victims of bullying to suck it up, why don't we teach those who bully to be kind and respectful?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29357555]But in the long run it can be more damaging as it can destroy the child socially.[/QUOTE] Silence you fatty-fatty-two-by-four-can't-fit-through-the-bathroom-door!
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;29357589]Silence you fatty-fatty-two-by-four-can't-fit-through-the-bathroom-door![/QUOTE] I'm the polar opposite of fat
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29357555]But in the long run it can be more damaging as it can destroy the child socially.[/QUOTE] No, I was bullied for being the new kid in 5th grade, so you know what I did? Made fun of them right back, it actually taught me how to make other people laugh by 'roasting' someone. Holy shit bullying taught me something can you believe that.
In kindergarten I was bullied by girls and I have a feeling that's why I'm so afraid to talk to them now. Also in most cases, the people who do the bullying have zero self esteem and need to make others feel like shit to feel better about themselves.
[QUOTE=Detective P;29357527]So we just don't deal with the issue, then, and attack bullying by educating and convincing against using this nature as opposed to logic? I don't think what you're saying is a valid excuse for a thinking human being to use to justify violence, abuse, or teasing. I think. Maybe. I'm not sure whose side you;re on here but I think you seemed like you were closer to the OP side earlier.[/QUOTE] What do you think we're doing now, exactly? I mean, look, bullying on it's own is a form of anti-social activity, just making it more taboo and looked down upon by society isn't going to fix it. They're anti-social, they don't listen to society. Derp. 6th-8th-10th graders (especially anti-social ones) don't give a flying fuck about how modern society should run in your view. Teenagers sort of roll like that, I don't think blind obedience to authority is a realistic goal.
[QUOTE=Caesar;29356640]Wow. Bullying is [b]not[/b] instinctive. Bullying is not helpful in any way, in my opinion. If, for example, you are overweight, you don't need others to constantly mock and insult you for you to realise that it is a problem. Traumatic experiences [i]can[/i] make you stronger, but they also can scar you for life.[/QUOTE] Uh yeah it is instinctive, it's the stronger getting rid of (or holding down in the eyes of other) the weaker (weaker in the eyes of the bully). Natural selection works that way, the humiliated and bullied people have a lot less chances with girls and therefore less chance of procreating (of course this doesn't really work because usually by the late teens people grow up a bit and usually stop working like we did 100000 years ago).
We should go against human nature and instincts. They helped us when we were monkeys, but now, when we are the most advanced species on the planet they're nothing but trouble. Yes, I know I sound like Breen. He was right, except for that giving up to the Combine thing he had going on.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;29357605]No, I was bullied for being the new kid in 5th grade, so you know what I did? Made fun of them right back, it actually taught me how to make other people laugh by 'roasting' someone. Holy shit bullying taught me something can you believe that.[/QUOTE] That's easy as long as the bully doesn't have a backing of followers
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;29357345]It's against human nature.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA[/media]
[QUOTE=Detective P;29357527]So we just don't deal with the issue, then, and attack bullying by educating and convincing against using this nature as opposed to logic? I don't think what you're saying is a valid excuse for a thinking human being to use to justify violence, abuse, or teasing. I think. Maybe. I'm not sure whose side you;re on here but I think you seemed like you were closer to the OP side earlier.[/QUOTE] I'm attempting to qualify the issue, and apparently not doing a very good job of it, haha. I'm not trying to justify any of that. What I'm saying is that it will happen, no matter what you do, because you can teach kids all you want, but you'll never be able to change every single one, reach out to every single one, alter ever single one's (ones'?) home life. It's not plausible. If a bullying situation is like the extreme situations that have been described, the kind where a kid wants to kill himself because he doesn't have a single god damned friend in the school and gets beat up, then I'm for any kind of help that kid needs, and deserves. But when kids cry about getting called gay on the school bus every fourth business day, I still say sack up.
[QUOTE=acds;29357627]Uh yeah it is, it's the stronger getting rid of (or holding down in the eyes of other) the weaker. Natural selection works that way, the humiliated and bullied people have a lot less chances with girls and therefore less chance of procreating (of course this doesn't really work because usually by the late teens people grow up a bit and usually stop working like we did 100000 years ago).[/QUOTE] Thank you for actually having some sense.
[QUOTE=s0beit;29357614]What do you think we're doing now, exactly? I mean, look, bullying on it's own is a form of anti-social activity, just making it more taboo and looked down upon by society isn't going to fix it. They're anti-social, they don't listen to society. Derp. 6th-8th-10th graders (especially anti-social ones) don't give a flying fuck about how modern society should run in your view. Teenagers sort of roll like that, I don't think blind obedience to authority is a realistic goal.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that it is, but we can't just do nothing and let it go on. I'm not asking for a war on bullying, I'm asking that we try and speak sense and logic and such instead of going by the "boys will be boys, it's all instinctive who cares" approach like so-and-so up there seemed to be saying. And plus, it really isn't an excuse for bullying, anyhow. We can't just go "oh, it's instinctive and natural and such, so it's ok, acceptable, or we should just let it go" or whatever.
OP is a social Darwinist
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;29357641]I'm attempting to qualify the issue, and apparently not doing a very good job of it, haha. I'm not trying to justify any of that. What I'm saying is that it will happen, no matter what you do, because you can teach kids all you want, but you'll never be able to change every single one, reach out to every single one, alter ever single one's (ones'?) home life. It's not plausible. If a bullying situation is like the extreme situations that have been described, the kind where a kid wants to kill himself because he doesn't have a single god damned friend in the school and gets beat up, then I'm for any kind of help that kid needs, and deserves. But when kids cry about getting called gay on the school bus every fourth business day, I still say sack up.[/QUOTE] Ok, I see. But I'm still not sure that that I agree with the last statement there. I mean, I don't really see that sort of thing as bullying, but on the other hand, I think that if it's a problem to the kid, he has every right to get help with it, as far as punishment towards the one saying it goes.
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