[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;29357641]I'm attempting to qualify the issue, and apparently not doing a very good job of it, haha.
I'm not trying to justify any of that. What I'm saying is that it will happen, no matter what you do, because you can teach kids all you want, but you'll never be able to change every single one, reach out to every single one, alter ever single one's (ones'?) home life. It's not plausible.
If a bullying situation is like the extreme situations that have been described, the kind where a kid wants to kill himself because he doesn't have a single god damned friend in the school and gets beat up, then I'm for any kind of help that kid needs, and deserves.
But when kids cry about getting called gay on the school bus every fourth business day, I still say sack up.[/QUOTE]
This. right here. so stop calling me a heartless asshole because this is what I'm getting at.
really stop calling me names.
please?
it hurts my feelings
[sp]I'll tell a mod on you >:([/sp]
[QUOTE=Detective P;29357672]I'm not saying that it is, but we can't just do nothing and let it go on. I'm not asking for a war on bullying, I'm asking that we try and speak sense and logic and such instead of going by the "boys will be boys, it's all instinctive who cares" approach like so-and-so up there seemed to be saying.[/quote]
Fair enough
[QUOTE=Detective P;29357672]And plus, it really isn't an excuse for bullying, anyhow. We can't just go "oh, it's instinctive and natural and such, so it's ok, acceptable, or we should just let it go" or whatever.[/QUOTE]
Never said it was an excuse, I'm just applying logic to the situation. I'm not saying let it go, but trying to "speak sense" to teenagers in general (anti-social individuals especially) is like talking to a brick wall.
I have a feeling you will not enjoy being a parent.
People shouldn't even have the nerve to talk shit to you.
I think what the OP is trying to say is that bullying is obviously in Human nature
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;29357641]I'm attempting to qualify the issue, and apparently not doing a very good job of it, haha.
I'm not trying to justify any of that. What I'm saying is that it will happen, no matter what you do, because you can teach kids all you want, but you'll never be able to change every single one, reach out to every single one, alter ever single one's (ones'?) home life. It's not plausible.
If a bullying situation is like the extreme situations that have been described, the kind where a kid wants to kill himself because he doesn't have a single god damned friend in the school and gets beat up, then I'm for any kind of help that kid needs, and deserves.
But when kids cry about getting called gay on the school bus every fourth business day, I still say sack up.[/QUOTE]
If both sides have an equal amount of friends it's not bullying, it's just rivalry. Bullying is when a larger group gangs up on a small group or single person.
[QUOTE=s0beit;29357709]Fair enough
Never said it was an excuse, I'm just applying logic to the situation. I'm not saying let it go, but trying to "speak sense" to teenagers in general (anti-social individuals especially) is like talking to a brick wall.
I have a feeling you will not enjoy being a parent.[/QUOTE]
No sir, I will not. And I know that there's not much we can do, and it is going to happen, and you are right, logic isn't going to do much considering the age group, but like I said, I don't think that should be an excuse, and I don't think we should just let it go without at least trying.
But you make sense.
I'd furthermore like to state that I have seen cases in which interventions into bullying situations can work, so I'm not entirely against it. At my school, we do an annual "awareness weekend" (I think it's a national program, my school's peer support group runs it) in which kids get in to "family groups" and basically talk about whatever it is they'd like to talk about, just to kind of get it all out there. I can't speak to exactly what goes on, as I've never attended (though I plan to next year) but I can tell you this: the older brother of a good friend of mine was the kind of kid who was picked on, had almost no friends, the works. He went to this awareness thing, talked it out, and because of that ended up having a huge group of friends by the time he graduated.
I dunno what that speaks to, exactly, but I'm trying to say that we shouldn't abandon all hope. There's lot's of kids who might be suffering and nobody knows about it, and those kids do deserve a chance. But time and resources should not be wasted on kids who chronically complain about bullshit issues that everyone deals with.
[QUOTE=Deweze;29357754]I think what the OP is trying to say is that bullying is obviously in Human nature[/QUOTE]
So is being an idiot on the Internet, but you can't see the OP doing it.
Oh wait, you can.
[QUOTE=Deweze;29357754]I think what the OP is trying to say is that bullying is obviously in Human nature[/QUOTE]
thanks sherlock
That's life. 90% children won't understand that, though. So bullying is still a bad thing.
[QUOTE=Deweze;29357754]I think what the OP is trying to say is that bullying is obviously in Human nature[/QUOTE]
And he's a dunce for trying to justify it.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;29357704]This. right here. so stop calling me a heartless asshole because this is what I'm getting at.
really stop calling me names.
please?
it hurts my feelings
[sp]I'll tell a mod on you >:([/sp][/QUOTE]
You're being defensive.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;29357806]So is being an idiot on the Internet, but you can't see the OP doing it.
Oh wait, you can.[/QUOTE]
"Our opinions differ! What a moron!"
[b][i]BULLYING.[/I][/B]
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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29357847]And he's a dunce for trying to justify it.[/QUOTE]
[b][i]BULLYING.[/I][/B]
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;29357872]"Our opinions differ! What a moron!"
[b][i]BULLYING.[/I][/B]
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[b][i]BULLYING.[/I][/B][/QUOTE]
It's only bullying if the person being bullied hasn't done anything to provoke it.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;29357872]"Our opinions differ! What a moron!"
[b][i]BULLYING.[/I][/B]
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[b][i]BULLYING.[/I][/B][/QUOTE]
No good sir, this is not bullying, this is merely insulting.
"Bullying is a form of abuse. It involves repeated acts over time attempting to create or enforce one person's (or group's) power over another person (or group) , thus an "imbalance of power"."
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;29357838]That's life. 90% children won't understand that, though. So bullying is still a bad thing.[/QUOTE]
That isn't life.
It's life only because you make it to be so.
Oh well it's life, lets not bother changing it, because you know, that's life.
That is really dumb.
We're smart people, we need to progress in all fields. If everyone was happy with "that's life" then we would still be burning witches and cutting off heads everywhere.
[QUOTE=Detective P;29357925]No good sir, this is not bullying, this is merely insulting.
"Bullying is a form of abuse. It involves repeated acts over time attempting to create or enforce one person's (or group's) power over another person (or group) , thus an "imbalance of power"."[/QUOTE]
I was satirically pointing out the fundamental flaw in "Zero Tolerance". Under a "Zero Tolerance" policy, like the one my school claims to enforce, those posters would have been punished to the maximum extent of the student contract, or what have you. And that's utter bullshit, in my opinion.
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which i suppose i'm entitled to, haha
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;29357957]I was satirically pointing out the fundamental flaw in "Zero Tolerance". Under a "Zero Tolerance" policy, like the one my school claims to enforce, those posters would have been punished to the maximum extent of the student contract, or what have you. And that's utter bullshit, in my opinion.
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which i suppose i'm entitled to, haha[/QUOTE]
I agree with this. Zero tolerance, in my opinion, is rather stupid.
They shouldn't punish bullying with LOL 5 DAYS OOS SUSPENSION, but rather attempt to solve the problem positively with counseling and whatnot. It's usually got something to do with the bully, I.E family problems, bad life experiences, bad influences, etc.
But the OP is spewing bullshit out of his mouth. It sounds to me like you're basing everything around physical strength, tossing the middle finger to the kids out there who are wheelchair bound, or can't fight worth shit. I've got a broken leg and use crutches, and listening to this argument go on pisses me the fuck off.
[QUOTE=Detective P;29358018]I agree with this. Zero tolerance, in my opinion, is rather stupid.[/QUOTE]
And that's essentially what I was trying to get at this whole time! :buddy:
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;29357429]Is it right? No.
Is it the truth? Yes.
Will it ever change? Not in our lifetimes.
[/QUOTE]
Does this mean we shouldn't try? No.
We shouldn't give up against the inevitable. We should persevere and try and defeat that which can't be beaten. We should never stop fighting the imperfections and the flaws and the issues plaguing society. We can't stop it within our lifetimes, maybe. But we can try. There was no chance of Black men gaining equal rights back when Douglass was writing about it, yet he still tried. There was no chance of slavery ending for John Brown, yet he still fought it with all he could. There was no chance of gays getting marriages recognized in the US back when that all started, yet they still fought on.
We can't give up when we know we can't stop it in our lifetimes. We have to try harder, try better, try smarter.
Or else we don't move onward at all.
Bullying is not essential. People shouldn't be made fun of what they are bad at, for example, but encouraged to get better at it, whatever it is.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;29356951]And where did you get this statistics from?[/QUOTE]
lmao straight out his ass
As someone who was diagnosed with severe depression after a suicide attempt because of bullying and consistent prejudice from my peers, it's really fucked me up emotionally. I do agree with the fact that zero tolerance is pretty bullshit as, from my experience, the bullies don't give a shit about a suspension because they accept the fact that they'll never get to college. (Unless they get a sports scholarship or are rich)
I don't really see any way to fix such problems of constant prejudice because, as aforementioned, social Darwinism is human nature. We will never truly be able to rid ourselves of prejudice, greed, and mindless hate; we could at least try to love one another for who they are instead of nitpicking over every little flaw.
God I wonder what would happen if I were the guy in the Video...
Breaking bones.
In the city I used to live (about 6 years ago), I was bullied the whole damn time. I was like the spit cup of the street and I had no friends in school.
And you know why I was bullied? Because I had a long(ish) hair and I was a boy (they said that boys with long hair are faggots). I also played guitar and drums, which was obviously a big no no for the others.
Even the girls laughed at me and called me gay. What the Christ.
I can still remember when someone put chewing gum in my hair... When they cut my hair against my will in the woods near the school...
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Yeah and OP is a fucking retard
Hey OP its great that you went through school and didn't get bullied, and somehow you have enough knowledge on bullying to think you're smarter than people with PHDs who basically say the complete opposite of what you're saying.
"Bullying is needed in life", yeah tell that to the people who have been relentlessly bullied all their lives until they developed severe depression or even jumped off a bridge. Yeah, some minor bullying happens to pretty much everyone and not all of it can be stopped there are things like that in life that you just need to brush off.
and seriously just stop trying to play the martyr act of "oh I know im going to get dumbs for my beliefs but everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot/friendless nerd" it just makes you look pathetic for not being able to make a point without doing that. Just grow up and quit being childish, I have friends and wasn't bullied in school but I'm not so self centered enough to think that just because it didn't affect me that it doesn't affect anyone else.
[QUOTE=acds;29357627]Uh yeah it is, it's the stronger getting rid of (or holding down in the eyes of other) the weaker. Natural selection works that way, the humiliated and bullied people have a lot less chances with girls and therefore less chance of procreating (of course this doesn't really work because usually by the late teens people grow up a bit and usually stop working like we did 100000 years ago).[/QUOTE]
No..it doesn't work that way at all. Honestly what you just said is completely mind boggling and senseless that I am just at a loss for words.
Why the hell do teachers always try to stop bullying, they know it aint gonna stop anyway. And if it does, it aint gonna be permanent, its just gonna be temporary, the bullying and ass kicking will resume a day or a week later. Sure their lives are gonna be ruined but most of the time, the bullied ones are always either one of the following, retarded, mentally or physically, they are so so left behind of their age, like they're 14, but acts like 9 and dresses like a 7 year old, has absolutely no friends etc.
Call me dumb but i am right
Besides... i have long hair like James Hetfield in the 80's and no-one bullies me because of that, i'm damn respected in school y'know
some guy everyone hyped up to be an "amazing boxer" in my high school used to try and give me shit, mainly talked shit behind my back but called me gay to my face etc a few times, I called him a poof, he did nothing, he then asked to fight me at lunch time which I happily agreed to.
You know what happened?
I found him HIDING from me at lunch time, walked away because all the teachers were staring at us, and waited until he walked through to the middle of the cafeteria (Kind of stupid, there was a crowd of around 100 students), walked straight up to his face and started abusing him, again, nothing.
and then, he took his jacket off ([i]scary, huh?[/i]), at which point I cracked him in the cheek/jaw and layed into him with around 9 more punches before he got a single one in, at which point I was pulled off of him by my friends as I was about to start kneeing him in the head and they were afraid I was going to kill him :D
Moral of the story = "Bullies" are going to get the shit kicked out of them at one point, people need to stop worrying :P
after that fight I took up thai boxing and no longer get abuse from anyone in my year, it's pretty awesome
Also some guy threatened to kick the shit out of me and I slept with his girlfriend after they'd broke up for like 4 days, that was pretty cool.
I used to get bullied every day from the age of 7 till 12, ended up getting home educated, that did nothing for me, making some good friends did.
It's grey.
Some people are helped by being bullied, if they overcome it then loads of extra confidence and a boost - But some are sensitive little souls who'll just turtle up.
All in all, I wouldn't stop it if I could (it's kinda funny.)
Also kids, fuck kids.
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