• Enough With This Antibullying Bullshit
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i was bullied severely in primary school by multiple people due to my health complications which is why i've been home educated for 4~ years. i can fight back, i just never chose to because i dislike fighting. home education is great and all for a while, but social anxiety is never fun i swear if i see the guys who bullied me again i'm going to punch them in the faces repeatedly
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;29362916]I can dress how I please, if you have a bad first impression you should stop being a judgemental prick.[/QUOTE] Are you actually trying to tell me it's possible to not have a first impression of someone?
[QUOTE=mokkan;29362952]Are you actually trying to tell me it's possible to not have a first impression of someone?[/QUOTE] If you really judge somebody by how they look then you seriously have a problem and probably deserve to be bullied.
[QUOTE=Xenoyia v2;29362921]i was bullied severely in primary school by multiple people due to my health complications which is why i've been home educated for 4~ years. i can fight back, i just never chose to because i dislike fighting. home education is great and all for a while, but social anxiety is never fun i swear if i see the guys who bullied me again i'm going to punch them in the faces repeatedly[/QUOTE] Don't do it. I did that and nearly killed them, I felt like shit afterwards. Luckily it was in a carpark and no one saw.
[QUOTE=BrQ;29361457]It's either changing or dealing with bullies. What do you suggest then, instead of shitposting. [/QUOTE] you're like those people who say gays should just stay in the closet to avoid persecution or someone who blames a rape victim for wearing revealing clothing
[QUOTE=mokkan;29362982]Don't do it. I did that and nearly killed them, I felt like shit afterwards. Luckily it was in a carpark and no one saw.[/QUOTE] one of my relatives was bullied as a child for years, then he snapped and strangled the guy who was bullying him. my mom still has the letter from the school about it, heh, it's pretty funny. "your son has been suspended after not stopping choking another student"
[QUOTE=mokkan;29362952]Are you actually trying to tell me it's possible to not have a first impression of someone?[/QUOTE] Pretty much everyone normal puts their first impression aside based on your further communication with them, both consciously as vocal and unconsciously as body language, and the vibe you give off. Sure, I've had people give me a bad vibe back, but I'm about as friendly as can possibly be, and it's always unsociable people who give me bad vibes. [editline]22nd April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Xenoyia v2;29362921]I swear if i see the guys who bullied me again i'm going to punch them in the faces repeatedly[/QUOTE] People change, that'd make you no better than them.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;29357605]Holy shit bullying taught me something can you believe that.[/QUOTE] Bullying taught me the taste of blood, when I bit their fucking faces off! Or maybe it was because they broke my nose.
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;29362970]If you really judge somebody by how they look then you seriously have a problem and probably deserve to be bullied.[/QUOTE] No one deserves to be bullied. You are a moron. If someone is there, wearing clothes that he douchebags are stereotyped to wear, and doesn't say or do anything to indicate he isn't, then you can't be blamed for not wanting to go sit with or talk to him because there is a chance he will fit the stereotype and actually be a douchebag. Its not like he is being judged on race, he is being given bad vibesbecause of a thing he can choose to change in two seconds by opening his mouth and showing he isn't some dick but is actually a nice guy.
[QUOTE=mokkan;29362736]I don't think you realise it isn't as simple as that and you only put that line in there to cover your arse. Think of the bullied kids at your school and tell me how many people want to be friends with them.[/QUOTE] Actually people don't get bullied here to a point where they don't have any friends anymore or become depressed. From what I've seen, bullying ends at the point where the person getting bullied becomes really mad and agressive. I said I know it's not as easy as that, but that doesn't mean you can't do it at all.
You would do well in Nazi Germany.
So if the person does change whatever makes them get bullied. Will it actually stop them?
[QUOTE=BrQ;29363126]Actually people don't get bullied here to a point where they don't have any friends anymore or become depressed. From what I've seen, bullying ends at the point where the person getting bullied becomes really mad and agressive. I said I know it's not as easy as that, but that doesn't mean you can't do it at all.[/QUOTE] Getting angry and aggressive only throws wood on the fire If you do get bullied, you lose confidence which stops you making friends.
[QUOTE=mokkan;29363103]No one deserves to be bullied. You are a moron. If someone is there, wearing clothes that he douchebags are stereotyped to wear, and doesn't say or do anything to indicate he isn't, then you can't be blamed for not wanting to go sit with or talk to him because there is a chance he will fit the stereotype and actually be a douchebag. Its not like he is being judged on race, he is being given bad vibesbecause of a thing he can choose to change in two seconds by opening his mouth and showing he isn't some dick but is actually a nice guy.[/QUOTE] You made it pretty clear you were judgemental purely based on the popped collar I was sporting, a purely aesthetic feature, you're clearly judgemental and I'd express no interest in talking to you further in a real life conversation.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;29363040]Pretty much everyone normal puts their first impression aside based on your further communication with them, both consciously as vocal and unconsciously as body language, and the vibe you give off. Sure, I've had people give me a bad vibe back, but I'm about as friendly as can possibly be, and it's always unsociable people who give me bad vibes. [editline]22nd April 2011[/editline] People change, that'd make you no better than them.[/QUOTE] you act like a first impression is something you control and isn't automatic.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29362991]you're like those people who say gays should just stay in the closet to avoid persecution or someone who blames a rape victim for wearing revealing clothing[/QUOTE] if the person expects and can not deal with people who will bully him because of him being gay, then I'd think it'd be best for him to stay in the closet I'm not really sure what the second has to do with it
Well, I partially agree with some of the statements, but not entirely. It's an inexorable part of us, bullying. No matter where you go in life, time and the universe, there is always bullying amongst sentients. There is always hatred and disagreement, conflicting opinions, wars of beliefs, the whole shebang. However, there is more to bullying than those aspects, away from memetic fighting/interpersonal disagreements, on a more psychological level. Many bullies are in fact troubled, be it by mental complications, rough upbringings, or false education. I've had my fair share of bullies, and I found out later that a few of them (i'll speak no names, partially because I can't remember them) had conditions like ADHD. Others still were raised the wrong way in a rough environment, forced to be overly-macho in order to remain the king of the "hill" (i'll tell ya what) that is the streets. Bad neighbourhoods are no place to raise children, but sometimes there are no other options available, and the end result is a rough person conditioned to fight tooth and nail to stay on top, even if that means hurting those beneath him (or her). People reflect their surrondings, be it the other people or their environment. I was raised in a decent neighbourhood with fresh air, plenty of plant life, tame locals, and plenty of space. As a result, I developed into a rather gentle, caring and sophisticated young man. At least, that's the side I try to show. My experiences of the net and in the academic environments have roughed me up a little, and sometimes i'm a little rough and vicious as a result, but not so much to make me into one of [I]them[/I]. One of the types of bullies I have yet to truly encounter in real life are the falsely-educated, those who were taught wrong and now do wrong. I speak, good people, of the ones that actively hate and take action against certain groups. I speak of the religious extremists, the racists, the homophobes, the bigots, the nationalists, people who hate disabled people, those who were taught to despise certain groups of people and treat them as lesser beings, those who I myself wish did not exist, those who I wish it was legal for me to execute, or at least forcibly re-educate to enlightenment. Were I born elsewhere, in one of the Poisoned Lands where ignorance runs rife, I would have probably... I would have very likely been warped by ill morals into one of [B][I][U]THEM[/U][/I][/B], and the man I am now would never have evolved. *shudders at the thought of being such a monster* Even if I HAD formed normally, I would probably have been torn asunder trying to tame these, these SAVAGES. What's that? You ask what point I am making? Well sirrah, my point is that bullies are not necessarily born. Instead, they evolve. They grow in the poisoned soils of ignorance, hatred, rough-living, all things dark and desolate, and the end-result is a sea of brambles and poisonous vines, harming those who they do not tolerate. Concerning mental complications however, those don't necessarily make bullies all the time, but they are somewhat a factor in the process, though likely a small one. It depends on the type of disorder they have. Those suffering from the autistic spectrum (like myself) tend to have difficulties concerning learning and social development, often preferring to be alone, and sometimes exhibit behaviours of compulsive, ritualistic and restricted natures, although i've kinda got trouble with the whole "rituals" part, in some areas at least. These kinda people are more passive compared to others, and rarely become bullies. This article will help educate you. (yeah I know it's Wikipedia, but it's hardly unreliable) [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum[/URL] People with things like ADHD, on the other hand, tend to be more hyperactive than normal folks, sometimes lagging in terms of developing impulse control. However, impulse control can intertwine with those seeking attention, kids who don't get enough attention at home because mommy's staying out all night with a fancy man, daddy's passed out drunk on the couch none the wiser of his wife's "infidelity", and the older brother doesn't want anything to do with any of them, including the kid. Sometimes bullies act up and do the things they do because they want attention, they want to be noticed, to be respected, to be loved. They lack certain things in their life, and they seek to obtain emotional sustenance on different levels of consciousness. On some of the higher levels, they want respect and acknowledgement, but in the deeper catacombs of their minds (almost said souls there, like the pseudotheologist I am. I know it's not a real word, but where I cannot find the right word, I attempt to make my own), they want to be nourished with the love that they couldn't find in the home. The latter is deeper than many of the more apparent motivations, and thus is harder to identify and discover. Nonetheless, trouble at home can be a strong agent of change, especially in early life when our minds are like soft moist clay, yet to be dehydrated by the dry winds of sense (not necessarily common sense, other different types of sense can apply), and hardened by the ageing fires of time. The minds of the old tend to be dryer and harder than the young, harder to change and mold, stuck in their ways like ancient Greek pottery. The most we can do is paint their surfaces, give them ideas with the Calligraphic Brush of Words, but no matter how much paint we use, no matter how many symbols and pictures we adorn them with, the ideas float on top of the cracked stone-like surfaces of their minds, and it is difficult for them to seep in, and even when they do, it takes a long time for the paint to seep into the crevices and pores, and before long the paint dries, and it is stuck on the surface. Stuck in their ways as they are, they are very hard to change, and thus hold fast to the ways they were taught, unable to change until the pottery crumbles, and they return to dust, from which new clay forms when mixed with the waters of life, and the cycle starts again. And whilst they are still intact, they glow with the lights and colours of their experiences and beliefs, which influences the younger globs of wet clay, for better or for worse. Even after they are gone, their ideas pass on, like genes to their offspring. I believe this is called memetics, the genetics of ideas, as theorised by Richard Dawkins. But as ideas are passed down, they can change or mutate, becoming different, slightly or drastically, depending on interpretation. This is mirrored in religious texts when one compares the different versions, be they earlier or later editions, with the later editions deviating from the earlier "elder texts". An example of this is the Egyptian lion goddess Bastet. 5000 years ago, She was viewed as the protector of Lower Egypt, and guardian of the pharaoh, later being the guardian of the sun god Ra. As time passed, and the two halves of Egypt became a whole, the feline war goddess Sekhmet had more "dominance" in unified Egyptian culture, and Bastet's position in the pantheon was diminished. In the first millennium BC, when cats became popular as pets in Egypt, people started to portray Her not as a lioness, but a woman with the head of a cat, and as time passed She "evolved" into the Egyptian cat-goddess, protecting cats instead of the pharaoh and sun god Bastet used to serve as their defender. This is but one example of how ideas can evolve. Ideas are passed up and down (mostly down) the generations, and spread amongst the young like bursts of ions between neurons. Different minds identify different ideas with different perspectives and opinions. Where one man regards homosexuality as unnatural, another man believes that sentience need not heed the cruel hissing of Nature's harsh tongue, and that free will permits us to make our own choices of whom and what we covet and desire. Though we still have to work with Nature to sustain ourselves, we need not listen to Her less kindly decrees. Though we should heed Her warnings to not cut down too many trees or pollute our environments, She has no jurisdiction over our preferences and interests. If you still hate gays, stop listening to That Old Witch's cruel outdated hatred of that which She cannot control. You need not like or love them, but at the very least have the willpower and awareness to shun the antiquated qualms She tries to carve into your soft clay, and bear a neutral attitude towards the aspect of same-sex relationships. I know I do. ^Shut up Momma Nature, you can't make me hate them, my clay is hardened against your poison ivy. You have some good points about your body and how we must maintain it, but outside of that, kindly hush yo' granite mouth.^ (the quote in ^s is essentially a monologue to the forces of Nature) If only the people would shun Her wicked words and embrace truth, understanding and tolerance. If only I could silence those who channel Her many voices, and whisper to the children of the good things. Were one capable of hardening children to the cruel whispers of ignorance and intolerance, and teaching them to revere the blissful aspects of sentience and free will, we'd be so much better off, and bullying would be less of a problem, at least concerning the parts that involve hate crime and suchlike. Other causes like disorders and rough living, those are things for another time, another day, and another thread. I have lingered conscious too long, and the others have begun to sing to me. The poet, the artist, the philosopher, the politician, those who dwell in my subconcious, they play the pipes, they beat the drums, they pluck the strings, they sing the songs, and I listen to their wise melodies, ancient and forever yet young and temporary. I should sleep, so they might sing in my dreams instead and spare you all from further exposure to things that some would have trouble comprehending. Still, I hope at least some of you learn from me, and from them. After all, I owe it all to them, even if I did stray from the garden trail and find myself in the dark forest of my mind, where the original path was somewhat shrouded by foliage... *strolls into the forest whilstling an ancient melody of wonder and thought*
[QUOTE=mokkan;29363180]Getting angry and aggressive only throws wood on the fire[/QUOTE] well from what I've seen, it works fine
[QUOTE=mokkan;29363237]you act like a first impression is something you control and isn't automatic.[/QUOTE] Is it not? You seem to be misinterpreting him. He said most normal people put first impressions aside based on what a person is actually like(which is discerned through communication), not that you can completely suppress a first impression. [editline]22nd April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=BrQ;29363258]well from what I've seen, it works fine[/QUOTE] This is true. Anyone fucks with me nowadays I make it clear I'm very unhappy with their actions towards me and they usually back off.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;29363182]You made it pretty clear you were judgemental purely based on the popped collar I was sporting, a purely aesthetic feature, you're clearly judgemental and I'd express no interest in talking to you further in a real life conversation.[/QUOTE] I have no interest in talking to you in real life eitherbecause you dress like a douche and get upset when people don't see your nice side automaticly. You are coming off as being a pretentious idiot and I already know enough people like that.
[QUOTE=mokkan;29363237]you act like a first impression is something you control and isn't automatic.[/QUOTE] Of course you control first impression. It's down to your psychological state.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;29363275]Is it not? You seem to be misinterpreting him. He said most normal people put first impressions aside based on what a person is actually like(which is discerned through communication), not that you can completely suppress a first impression. [editline]22nd April 2011[/editline] This is true. Anyone fucks with me nowadays I make it clear I'm very unhappy with their actions towards me and they usually back off.[/QUOTE] And when you talk to him, the first impression will come through as a bad vibe unless you are a master diplomat or something. [editline]23rd April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SCopE5000;29363325]Of course you control first impression. It's down to your psychological state.[/QUOTE] You form a first impression based on what the first thing you see is.
[QUOTE=mokkan;29363288]I have no interest in talking to you in real life eitherbecause you dress like a douche and get upset when people don't see your nice side automaticly. You are coming off as being a pretentious idiot and I already know enough people like that.[/QUOTE] I don't get upset, I move on and meet new people. I bet you just lurk around social ventures and mock people's dress sense because you think you're better than them yet make no effort to socially interact yourself. I see lots of people do that.
[QUOTE=mokkan;29363288]I have no interest in talking to you in real life eitherbecause you dress like a douche and get upset when people don't see your nice side automaticly. You are coming off as being a pretentious idiot and I already know enough people like that.[/QUOTE] I wear American Eagle and Hollister clothes. I have a fauxhawk. I'm moderately attractive and personalitywise I'm nice, open, and funny. Are you saying solely because of my choice of clothes and how I present myself you don't have any interest in talking to me? That's very shallow and childish, isn't it? What about how people have judged me in the past for listening to some bands I enjoy, such as Attack Attack! and Skrillex? Do you think it's okay to judge someone personally based on their musical tastes? It's basically the same thing as appearance, you can't judge a book by its cover, so to speak.
[QUOTE=mokkan;29363345]And when you talk to him, the first impression will come through as a bad vibe unless you are a master diplomat or something.[/quote] So when I approach you with a smile and a 'hey' you're instantly thinking I'm a master douchebag and shooting me vibes to fuck off? Cool. I bet you think girls with blonde hair are automatically dumb as well.
What's wrong with making kids to be nice in school? I feel like I'm missing something.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;29363425]So when I approach you with a smile and a 'hey' you're instantly thinking I'm a master douchebag and shooting me vibes to fuck off? Cool. I bet you think girls with blonde hair are automatically dumb as well.[/QUOTE] Exactly what I was thinking. If someone approaches me and talks to me and I don't know them, I don't think, "This guy looks like an asshole." and disengage communication. I'm most likely subconsciously profiling the way they talk, the manner in which they convey what they're trying to say, and the actual message of what they're saying. At this point I probably have a good idea of what kind of person they are, and afterwards I'll judge them accordingly. Take special needs kids, for example. They, well, aren't the greatest in appearance, but I spent a weekend volunteering with a program that deals with special needs kids, and they are GREAT people. Guess if you let first impressions do all the work you'll never have the opportunity of seeing people's good sides, eh? [editline]22nd April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=fenwick;29363450]What's wrong with making kids to be nice in school? I feel like I'm missing something.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say there's anything wrong. It's more the fact that you can never stop bullying and how it's actually conducive to making someone a better person (in tasteful amounts, as bad as that sounds.)
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;29362744]I wear a polo with the collar popped but I'm not a douchebag. I think if you have a problem with being bullied it's because your projecting the wrong vibe to people, alienating them, perhaps by being prejudice towards them based on the clothes they wear. You demonstrated this by being prejudice towards me because of my popped collar, before getting to know me for who I am and what I say to you. And this demonstrates how you immediately showed me a bad vibe and why you probably alienate people, which is why you were probably bullied.[/QUOTE] Lol people don't bully eachother based on personality you bully them because they are weird anti-socialites.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;29363627]Lol people don't bully eachother based on personality you bully them because they are weird anti-socialites.[/QUOTE] This is also true. I was bullied because I was weird. I'm not weird so much anymore, hence I don't get bullied.
I got bullied cause I talked about nothing but games and I was pretty anti social, just sitting inside playing games all day.
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