• Why does facepunch hate religion
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[QUOTE=Scoot12;33567711]You just completly swerved out of the way of my argument. I'm asking WHY you hate Christians enough to want them to die.[/QUOTE] ...what? That was a perfectly logical answer to your question. He never got angry or wanted them to die. The only mention of christianity in the post was Lucifer, however every religion has their evil power vs. good power thing going on.
Because science, based on experiments to produce facts, is far superior to something based on a book which contradicts itself and an omnipotent being no one has yet seen or successfully communicated with
[QUOTE=Scoot12;33567775]Those where in early times when all Religion where businesses, not Religions. The leaders corrupted them, they all just didn't say at the same time "Hey! Lets go kill Muslims!" they got conned into it, the chruch was corrupt and they where uneducated people, so it was easy. Yet people still knock on them for it.[/QUOTE] Read a book or something, this shit still happens in large parts of the world.
Angsty children like to rebel against their oppressing parents who forced them to go to church so they take their anger out on here.
I am catholic. Not really affliciated at all but still, I'm catholic. I see both sides of the problem, and I respect them. But I hate when people argue over shit like this. Even worse threads like this just cause even more arguing. I would just like it if we left eachothers' opinions of religion out of the forum to keep both sides happy.
I am an Atheist. However, I do not "hate" religion, or those who choose to follow or believe in one. I simply disagree with what they believe in. I respect their beliefs, just as I would hope they would respect mine (or lack thereof) . What I do hate though are people who use religion for personal gain/exploitation (Such as stealing money from a church/temple/synagogue/mosque).
[QUOTE='Poesidan [GAG];33567950']I am catholic. Not really affliciated at all but still, I'm catholic. I see both sides of the problem, and I respect them. But I hate when people argue over shit like this. Even worse threads like this just cause even more arguing. I would just like it if we left eachothers' opinions of religion out of the forum to keep both sides happy.[/QUOTE] How about we discuss the facts, and leave out opinions? Everyone is happy, that way.
[QUOTE=Scoot12;33567775]Those where in early times when all Religion where businesses, not Religions. The leaders corrupted them, they all just didn't say at the same time "Hey! Lets go kill Muslims!" they got conned into it, the chruch was corrupt and they where uneducated people, so it was easy. Yet people still knock on them for it.[/QUOTE] are you seriously trying to imply that this doesn't still happen?
[QUOTE=dumbidiotretard;33567949]Angsty children like to rebel against their oppressing parents who forced them to go to church so they take their anger out on here.[/QUOTE] I thought the kids that rebelled ended up making their hair look all faggy and cut themselves.
[QUOTE=ccg;33567975]I thought the kids that rebelled made their hair all faggy and cut themselves.[/QUOTE] They do that too, the ones too scared to cut themselves come here.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;33567838]Please cite the source for your statistics which say that 95% of theists are bigots. I'd love to see it.[/QUOTE] [url]http://christianforums.com[/url]
This is why we can't have nice things
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33568000][url]http://christianforums.com[/url][/QUOTE] Because this is clearly representative of every living theist being in the entire world.
I thought religious threads were prohibited on facepunch. Has nothing to due with the topic of the thread, but still.
I don't mean to be that guy but it's pretty obvious at this point that the OP made this thread with unloaded guns.
Well first of all, no religion deserves anyone's respect. They are a bunch of ideas and worldviews that can be criticized just like anything else. There is absolutely no reason to have to "respect someone's religious beliefs". If their beliefs are founded on completely fallacious reasoning, then why should those beliefs be taken seriously or respected? How often are you asked to respect someone's views about physics for example, or geometry? Why should religion get a totally undeserved pass from criticism, especially when certain claims that trespass on scientific ground are demonstrated to be false (young earth creationism for example)? Yeah, I get it, some people are sensitive about what they believe in, but maybe some people are sensitive about their historical views (holocaust deniers for example), that doesn't mean those views should be taken seriously or respected if they're based on fallacious reasoning, and more than likely they are just plain wrong. It's unreasonable to present claims that just don't match up with reality, are founded on completely baseless presuppositions, with no evidence, and then demand that no one criticize your ideas because "its what I believe in and we can't go there". [QUOTE=dumbidiotretard;33567949]Angsty children like to rebel against their oppressing parents who forced them to go to church so they take their anger out on here.[/QUOTE] [url="http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html"]Not even worth a response, hope you're trolling[/url]
Facepunch hates religion because Facepunch hates religion.
Because it causes only problems, no solutions. Because it encouarages discord between communities. Becuase it tells people to kill themselves and others. Because it holds back science and rational thought. Because it allowed children to be raped. Because it gives people false hope. Does that answer your question?
[QUOTE=xeo xeo;33568022]This is why we can't have nice things[/QUOTE] Are you in the wrong thread or are you just spewing things out that you hope sound intelligent? Anyway, I don't like the fact everyone seems to regard discussing religion as a taboo. As long as we don't offend individuals, I see no problem. That means we need to kick out the people who say "95% of religious people are bigots" etc. but it will leave us with a "clean" discussion. See this video for a conversation starter: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vueDC69jRjE[/media]
Facepunch is generally accepting of religion as a whole, defending it from needless bashing (whether that be due to the fact that it causes the argument of the century or not remains to be seen) but either way, they don't hate it, they just don't really care for it in arguments
I don't hate Christians. I don't hate religious people. If their belief systems tell them the I am a spawn of Satan, they have every right to believe that. It is because of the constitution I still have my rights and can continue this behavior without being burnt at the stake for whatever reason. I expect others to revel in my free speech just the same as I would revel in theirs, whether it be hatred or not. You're generalizing facepunch as people who hate religious people (and generally they do) but facepunch also generalizes religious people as nuts and idiots as well. This is both allowed and totally okay. It's free speech. But that doesn't mean what you're saying is right. This hatred of each other stems from what other users before me have been saying: Difference in beliefs. One side hates the other because they don't believe in god, and the other side hates theists because they hate Atheists. Technically, the hate stems from the religious side, and it started with them. But Athiests should never lower themselves to religious people by returning fire. Remain a calm and decent person, and don't put hate speeches full of swears up on youtube whilst placing bananas in your ass like the amazing Athiest. Believe it or not it's actually frowned upon. I'm just saying that if we ever want to co-exist with one another, we can't keep constantly demonstrating how much we hate one another. Where the hate starts with the religious groups, perhaps the peace can start with the secular ones.
[QUOTE=Noble;33568118]Well first of all, no religion deserves anyone's respect. They are a bunch of ideas and worldviews that can be criticized just like anything else. There is absolutely no reason to have to "respect someone's religious beliefs". If their beliefs are founded on completely fallacious reasoning, then why should those beliefs be taken seriously or respected? How often are you asked to respect someone's views about physics for example, or geometry? Why should religion get a totally undeserved pass from criticism, especially when certain claims that trespass on scientific ground are demonstrated to be false (young earth creationism for example)? Yeah, I get it, some people are sensitive about what they believe in, but maybe some people are sensitive about their historical views (holocaust deniers for example), that doesn't mean those views should be taken seriously or respected if they're based on fallacious reasoning, and more than likely they are just plain wrong. It's unreasonable to present claims that just don't match up with reality, are founded on completely baseless presuppositions, with no evidence, and then demand that no one criticize your ideas because "its what I believe in and we can't go there".[/QUOTE] Because religion is based upon faith, not evidence, that's the entire point. Personally I believe any theist or atheist who is not agnostic is a fool.
Why can't the theists and the atheists just get along? Holy fuck, it's like Israel in here, everybody needs to stop being so god damn ignorant and respect everybody's beliefs.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;33568138]Because it causes only problems, no solutions. Because it encouarages discord between communities. Becuase it tells people to kill themselves and others. Because it holds back science and rational thought. Because it allowed children to be raped. Because it gives people false hope. Does that answer your question?[/QUOTE] I would rather have false hope, than no hope at all. If you can't hope for anything you might as well kill yourself. I hope their's an afterlife, but I can't know for sure. I'm humble enough to admit this. But I don't want to be trapped in nothingness after I die.
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33568205]Because religion is based upon faith, not evidence, that's the entire point. Personally I believe any theist or atheist who is not agnostic is a fool.[/QUOTE] And why is faith (believing in something without evidence) a good thing? [QUOTE=Capitalist Dog;33568210]Why can't the religious and the atheists just get along? Holy fuck, it's like Israel in here, everybody needs to stop being so god damn ignorant and respect everybody's beliefs.[/QUOTE] If you go up a few posts you'll see my comments about "respecting beliefs", if you're curious about why atheists generally don't respect religion. [QUOTE=BigOwl;33568213]I would rather have false hope, than no hope at all. If you can't hope for anything you might as well kill yourself. I hope their's an afterlife, but I can't know for sure. I'm humble enough to admit this. But I don't want to be trapped in nothingness after I die.[/QUOTE] What you want to believe and what's reality are two completely different things. Something doesn't become true just because you want it to be. Also I find your comment stupid for several reasons. One of the main reasons being the fact that you feel the need to lie to yourself about the existence of immortal souls and a magic man in the sky to give yourself a purpose in life.
[QUOTE=Noble;33568118]Well first of all, no religion deserves anyone's respect. They are a bunch of ideas and worldviews that can be criticized just like anything else. There is absolutely no reason to have to "respect someone's religious beliefs". If their beliefs are founded on completely fallacious reasoning, then why should those beliefs be taken seriously or respected? How often are you asked to respect someone's views about physics for example, or geometry? Why should religion get a totally undeserved pass from criticism, especially when certain claims that trespass on scientific ground are demonstrated to be false (young earth creationism for example)? Yeah, I get it, some people are sensitive about what they believe in, but maybe some people are sensitive about their historical views (holocaust deniers for example), that doesn't mean those views should be taken seriously or respected if they're based on fallacious reasoning, and more than likely they are just plain wrong. It's unreasonable to present claims that just don't match up with reality, are founded on completely baseless presuppositions, with no evidence, and then demand that no one criticize your ideas because "its what I believe in and we can't go there". [url="http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html"]Not even worth a response, hope you're trolling[/url][/QUOTE] All beliefs deserve respect. Your beliefs, mine, and theirs. It's freedom of speech. Fallacies or not, they can say whatever they want. You should take their ideas in and say "Hmm, okay but I don't believe that could possibly be right because _____" Not " LOL FAG STFU STUPID CHIRSTIANTARD LAWD"
[QUOTE=BigOwl;33568213]I would rather have false hope, than no hope at all. If you can't hope for anything you might as well kill yourself. I hope their's an afterlife, but I can't know for sure. I'm humble enough to admit this. But I don't want to be trapped in nothingness after I die.[/QUOTE] That's why you live. Instead of living your life towards death, live in the moment for life is short.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;33568213]If you can't hope for anything you might as well kill yourself..[/QUOTE] That is just an asinine statment. I'm a nihilist in that I believe life is pointless, and that once you die, there is nothing. Nada. This doesn't mean that I'm always depressed and that I want to kill myself. It means that I accept this and get on with my life untill I die.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;33568238]All beliefs deserve respect. Your beliefs, mine, and theirs. It's freedom of speech. Fallacies or not, they can say whatever they want. You should take their ideas in and say "Hmm, okay but I don't believe that could possibly be right because _____" Not " LOL FAG STFU STUPID CHIRSTIANTARD LAWD"[/QUOTE] No, people who hold the beliefs deserve respect, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to point out errors in their reasoning that they put forward as the basis for their beliefs. I have taken the ideas in, as a former Christian. I examined the arguments in favor of gods existence, and I have seen that all of them are based on fallacious reasoning and don't match up with reality. That is why I now lack belief in it. Unicorns could possibly exist, though I can't disprove them. That doesn't mean I'm going to give serious thought to the existence of unicorns, nor am I going to respect someone's beliefs that unicorns exist. It also doesn't mean I'm going to respond in an immature way in my disagreement with their claims.
[QUOTE=Noble;33568219]And why is faith (believing in something without evidence) a good thing? If you go up a few posts you'll see my comments about "respecting beliefs", if you're curious about why atheists generally don't respect religion. What you want to believe and what's reality are two completely different things. Something doesn't become true just because you want it to be. Also I find your comment stupid for several reasons. One of the main reasons being the fact that you feel the need to lie to yourself about the existence of immortal souls and a magic man in the sky to give yourself a purpose in life.[/QUOTE] Okay but here's the part where you realize neither of us can determine that particular reality. I don't need to lie to myself. It's called HOPE. I'm an Athiest agnostic so thanks for presuming who I am and completely proving my previous points. [editline]4th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Patriarch;33568255]That is just an asinine statment. I'm a nihilist in that I believe life is pointless, and that once you die, there is nothing. Nada. This doesn't mean that I'm always depressed and that I want to kill myself. It means that I accept this and get on with my life untill I die.[/QUOTE] Ironic, because that's completely illogical. [editline]4th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Noble;33568280]No, people who hold the beliefs deserve respect, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to point out errors in their reasoning that they put forward as the basis for their beliefs. I have taken the ideas in, as a former Christian. I examined the arguments in favor of gods existence, and I have seen that all of them are based on fallacious reasoning and don't match up with reality. That is why I now lack belief in it. Unicorns could possibly exist, though I can't disprove them. That doesn't mean I'm going to give serious thought to the existence of unicorns, nor am I going to respect someone's beliefs that unicorns exist.[/QUOTE] Then that comment doesn't apply to you at all.
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