[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33567556]95% of religious people are huge bigots.[/QUOTE]
Ironically enough, 95% of non-religious people are bigots as well.
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[QUOTE=Scoot12;33567515][b]Honeslty[/b], 40% of the threads posted [b]hear[/b] are about religion in which Atheists circlejerk to how "terrible" [i]Theists[/i] are. Honestly this is coming from a non Religous person, you're all delusional and bigoted pricks who think that science is the only thing that matters and that every [i][b]Religous[/b][/i] person is a mentally disabled batshit crazy sub-human who should be burned on a cross. Fucking quit it and try to be more open minded.
Also I might be banned but I don't care since I'm growing tired of reading all these [b]lets[/b] hate [i]Theists[/i] threads (Not to mention the mods ban if you have a conflicting opinion)[/QUOTE]
Yeah and explain to me how exactly science [i]isn't[/i] the most important thing? (with the exception of emotion). Also mods don't ban you for presenting the other side of the argument, I'd like to see an example of this.
[QUOTE=Scoot12;33567622]Dumbest thing I read all week. Everyone who says this are all in 1st world countries in their [b]lether[/b] chair in front of a $2000 custom build PC and complaining about how "The world [b]is[/b] gone to shit because of [i]Theists[/i]."[/QUOTE]
Has gone to shit not is. Also the only PC that costs $2000 are fucking Alienwares. Now then, how exactly does someone's opinion get discredited because they live in a first world country? Doesn't that mean they are more educated and aware of the world's problems?
[QUOTE=Scoot12;33567711]You just completly swerved out of the way of my argument. I'm asking WHY you hate Christians enough to want them to die.[/QUOTE]
Because we don't that's why. No one ever says they want all Christians to die and when someone does they get rated dumb.
[QUOTE=Scoot12;33567775]Those [b]where[/b] in early times when all [i]Religion[/i] [b]where[/b] businesses, not [i]Religions.[/i] The leaders corrupted them, they all just didn't say at the same time "Hey! [b]Lets[/b] go kill Muslims!" they got conned into it, the chruch was corrupt and they [b]where[/b] uneducated people, so it was easy. Yet people still knock on them for it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you just said it yourself. Religions started as businesses. Today they are just watered down from their former "glory".
Also not to use an Ad Hominem or anything but you seem incredibly uneducated.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;33568282]Ironic, because that's completely illogical.[/QUOTE]
How is that illogical?
Iron age superstitions which influence people to do bad stuff and halt technological advances don't deserve any respect, if you ask me. A believer, sure, the belive, not so much
[QUOTE=Patriarch;33568324]How is that illogical?[/QUOTE]
Because logic would say that something without a purpose shouldn't exist. :v: You have no more need to stay here, so why do you?
I think people need to be more respecting of each other's beliefs. If it's asinine, just say that you politely disagree and provide reasons why. If they think your reasons are good enough, they might change their own beliefs, or they might not.
The goal should be to provide reasoning behind your beliefs, not change those of others. Let people think what they want, and if what they want is a danger to anyone, stop them regardless of the beliefs themselves.
Let the man on the street say he wants to stab Jews - just so long as he never does it, and if does it, do it because he wants to harm people. Same goes for wanting to hurt anyone of any belief or idealogy. Have the greater good for [I]anyone[/I] in mind, not squabling over whether there's a man in the sky or not.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;33568282]Okay but here's the part where you realize neither of us can determine that particular reality. I don't need to lie to myself.
It's called HOPE. I'm an Athiest agnostic so thanks for presuming who I am and completely proving my previous points.
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It doesn't matter what you hope. Assuming something is true just because it makes you feel good is unreasonable, it is called "wishful thinking". The world and the universe you live in doesn't owe you a sense of hope.
Maybe I should have said "Because you're making excuses for people to lie to themselves to give themselves a purpose in life", your stance on the issue was confusing to me. Either way, my point stands.
[quote]Fallacies or not, they can say whatever they want.[/quote]
And I never once said that they couldn't. I'm pointing out how their beliefs are illogical, it has nothing to do with anyone's right to believe what they want.
Sure you can believe what you want, that doesn't mean it's true though. In fact if you base your beliefs on fallacious reasoning, they're more than likely wrong.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;33568337]Because logic would say that something without a purpose shouldn't exist. :v: You have no more need to stay here, so why do you?[/QUOTE]
That's false. The man has no need for nipples, yet he has them.
I'm saying that life itself has no inherrent meaning, that we could all disappear tommorow and it would not matter. This doesn't mean that I don't enjoy living, because I do.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;33568337]Because logic would say that something without a purpose shouldn't exist. [/QUOTE]
Why is that? Everything can be seen as pointless. We live for living, there is nothing after life, or before it. Cope with it
[QUOTE=Noble;33568348]It doesn't matter what you hope. Assuming something is true just because it makes you feel good is unreasonable, it is called "wishful thinking". The world and the universe you live in doesn't owe you a sense of hope.
Maybe I should have said "Because you're making excuses for people to lie to themselves to give themselves a purpose in life", your stance on the issue was confusing to me. Either way, my point stands.
And I never once said that they couldn't. I'm pointing out how their beliefs are illogical, it has nothing to do with anyone's right to believe what they want.
Sure you can believe what you want, that doesn't mean it's true though. In fact if you base your beliefs on fallacious reasoning, they're more than likely wrong.[/QUOTE]
I'm not telling anyone else they should believe in an after life. In fact, I doubt there is one, I only hope. I'm not assuming it's true. I'm hoping it is but expecting it not to be. I never said any of this stuff you're saying.
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[QUOTE=Scar;33568371]Why is that? Everything can be seen as pointless. We live for living, there is nothing after life, or before it. Cope with it[/QUOTE]
You're seriously asking me the meaning of life?
Nobody knows. Not Athiests, nor thiests. That's why I'm an agnostic athiest.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;33568213]But I don't want to be trapped in nothingness after I die.[/QUOTE]
You make it sound like you use religion for personal gain, and you don't actually believe in it, you just want to have yourself assured that when you die something nice happens for you.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;33568363]That's false. The man has no need for nipples, yet he has them.
I'm saying that life itself has no inherrent meaning, that we could all disappear tommorow and it would not matter. This doesn't mean that I don't enjoy living, because I do.[/QUOTE]
Man has nipples because the fetus starts as a female and develops into a male as it's chromosomes come into place. That's a pretty bad analogy.
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[QUOTE=Sinbues;33568404]You make it sound like you use religion for personal gain, and you don't actually believe in it, you just want to have yourself assured that when you die something nice happens for you.[/QUOTE]
Nope, wrong again. It's a simple statement, I would prefer not to be stuck in nothingness after I die. If I am that's fine, but I hope I don't.
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You're seriously asking me the meaning of life?
Nobody knows. Not Athiests, nor thiests. That's why I'm an agnostic athiest.[/QUOTE]
There is no meaning of life. Make your own one, or don't. Don't run to people because they promise you one.
Things like religion, spirituality, etc. are all just to there go give us false hopes, false meanings, empty promises, because people simply can't cope with reality
[QUOTE=Scar;33568432]There is no meaning of life. Make your own one, or don't. Don't run to people because they promise you one.
Things like religion, spirituality, etc. are all just to there go give us false hopes, false meanings, empty promises, because people simply can't cope with reality[/QUOTE]
Again, things I don't do or haven't said. I'm fine with reality. I just hope their's more to it.
It's a way to hide your own fears, weaknesses and insecurities.
[QUOTE=Sinbues;33568404]You make it sound like you use religion for personal gain, and you don't actually believe in it, you just want to have yourself assured that when you die something nice happens for you.[/QUOTE]
And who's to say that isn't what happens?
See, this is why arguing Religion is totally pointless. We're the equivalent of a blind man wondering what the world looks like, and we're arguing things even the most advanced civilzations will probably know nothing about.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;33568440]Again, things I don't do or haven't said. I'm fine with reality. I just hope their's more to it.[/QUOTE]
But there isn't, or at the very least, there is absolutly no proof for it
[QUOTE=BigOwl;33568408]Man has nipples because the fetus starts as a female and develops into a male as it's chromosomes come into place. That's a pretty bad analogy.[/QUOTE]
I mean in terms of evolution.
Woman need nipples for breast feeding and so on, yet man has no use for them. It seems they only came about because of the female need for one, yet us males get nothing out of them.
Therefore, they have no real use and can therefore be classed as meaningless.
I'm not religious but I don't hate religious people whatsoever. I hate atheists who hate theists, and theists who hate atheists.
[QUOTE=Bftony;33568447]It's a way to hide your own fears, weaknesses and insecurities.[/QUOTE]
I'm not hiding anything. I'm definitely fucking scared of dying, and I'm definitely insecure about what's out there, and you should be too. :v:
[QUOTE=Cone;33568456]And who's to say that isn't what happens?
See, this is why arguing Religion is totally pointless. We're the equivalent of a blind man wondering what the world looks like, and we're arguing things even the most advanced civilzations will probably know nothing about.[/QUOTE]
Using logic, we can conclude that our concessnes ends with your life.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;33568377]I'm not telling anyone else they should believe in an after life. In fact, I doubt there is one, I only hope. I'm not assuming it's true. I'm hoping it is but expecting it not to be. I never said any of this stuff you're saying.[/quote]
You just got done telling me and a bunch of other people that we might as well commit suicide because we don't hold completely irrational ideas, based on nothing more than wishful thinking and no evidence, about our consciousness mysteriously continuing on after we die.
As far as we know, this life is all we get and we should enjoy it while it lasts. I don't need to give myself false hope to have a purpose to continue living for. I don't think the world owes me a sense of hope so I don't feel the need to believe in something that probably isn't true.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;33568408]Nope, wrong again. It's a simple statement, I would prefer not to be stuck in nothingness after I die. If I am that's fine, but I hope I don't.[/QUOTE]
Preferring something to happen to you is still wanting something for personal gain.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;33568471]I'm not hiding anything. I'm definitely fucking scared of dying, and I'm definitely insecure about what's out there, and you should be too. :v:[/QUOTE]
Why? We were dead for billions of years before we were born, and did anyone of us suffer the slightes?
[QUOTE=Patriarch;33568463]I mean in terms of evolution.
Woman need nipples for breast feeding and so on, yet man has no use for them. It seems they only came about because of the female need for one, yet us males get nothing out of them.
Therefore, they have no real use and can therefore be classed as meaningless.[/QUOTE]
Okay, but they happen on the male anyway due to evolutionary construct. Again, not a very good analogy for this.
[QUOTE=Scar;33568432]There is no meaning of life. Make your own one, or don't. Don't run to people because they promise you one.
Things like religion, spirituality, etc. are all just to there go give us false hopes, false meanings, empty promises, because people simply can't cope with reality[/QUOTE]
Again, we'll never know. It's an underhanded method to simply say "well you can't see him because he's invisible" I agree, but even if that were true we'd never know if it were or not.
It's the exact same thing to call one's beliefs false as what you're scrutinizing religion for.
[QUOTE=Sinbues;33568480]Preferring something to happen to you is still wanting something for personal gain.[/QUOTE]
Explain to me how I'm gaining anything again?
[QUOTE=Scar;33568485]Why? We were dead for billions of years before we were born, and did anyone of us suffer the slightes?[/QUOTE]
No, but I like being alive. I'm unaware of what exactly happens after death.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;33568506] I'm unaware of what exactly happens after death.[/QUOTE]
Well you just hit the nail on the head, because nobody is.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;33568495]Explain to me how I'm gaining anything again?[/QUOTE]
You tell me since you stated you hoped and preferred something to happen.
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