• Human population control - Should this practice be enforced?
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its already happening
Hahaha I love how people say "go to moon or mars lol." Do you not realize that that would make the problem worse? If there was a problem (there is no problem, no overpopulation, and if you think there is then I demand statistics or sources or some sort of proof before you can even continue debating population control) then how would moving people to the most inhospitable and unsustainable regions of the galaxy solve anything? They cannot farm, build, or even survive without constant supplies from Earth. So sending people away will do only one thing: waste fuel sending supplies to other planets for no reason at all. Might as well put people in Antarctica, you'll use less fuel. But seriously, give some proof for overpopulation if you believe it exists. Otherwise, it doesn't.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36452281]Fuck the whole contraception bullshit. [highlight]OVER POPULATION IS A NON-ISSUE![/highlight] The current carrying capacity for Earth is 10 billion people, birth rates in a lot of first world countries is dropping off to a point where it will level out and our populations will remain fairly constant for the most part. The only issue we have is tragic resource management, we could easily produce enough food for people if we actually done things intelligently and properly recycled shit among other things. I'll repeat it again for anyone popping wood over their dystopian fantasies. [B]EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE.[/B][/QUOTE] Yeah and birthrates in third world countries are still going up not to mention global warming ect The earth is overpopulated as is
[QUOTE=McGii;36529233]Yeah and birthrates in third world countries are still going up not to mention global warming ect The earth is overpopulated as is[/QUOTE] What do you mean "third world countries"? What does Cold War alignment have to do with anything? And please provide proof of said overpopulation.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;36529617]What do you mean "third world countries"? What does Cold War alignment have to do with anything? And please provide proof of said overpopulation.[/QUOTE] As in countries such as those in Africa
[QUOTE=McGii;36529966]such as those in Africa[/QUOTE] how about stop posting and do some fucking learning
[QUOTE=McGii;36529966]As in countries such as those in Africa[/QUOTE] The fuck?
[QUOTE=Daedulas;34071684]By 2050 every area besides africa will decline in population growth. so no, plus that's breaching human rights or something[/QUOTE] It's breaching a basic necessity of a living organism which is exactly why it's fucking retarded.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;36529617]What do you mean "third world countries"? What does Cold War alignment have to do with anything? And please provide proof of said overpopulation.[/QUOTE] Third World has evolved in meaning to mean developing countries.
There is more to human needs than food and housing. The more people there are, the more restrictions must be in place to prevent chaos, and the less freedom everyone has. And without freedom, humans are no different than animals.
I wasn't trying to say overpopulation was a problem(guess i should of clarified), i was more along the line that its a better idea to control reproducing in the fact of who should be having children. Like i look Around at my school, see all the even more dirt poor than me and basically borderline brain dead, and retardedly religious and just wonder how much better this planet would be if some1 shoved the idea of some form of birth control down there throats or just telling them to kill themselves as often as they "JESUSJESUSJESUSJESUSJESUS" fucking down everyone elses throats,Maybe i would support the idea of instantaneous Nuclear destruction to all a lot less. Who knows, because we won't......
[QUOTE=umega5;36616010]Like i look Around at my school, see all the even more dirt poor than me and basically borderline brain dead, and retardedly religious and just wonder how much better this planet would be if some1 shoved the idea of some form of birth control down there throats or just telling them to kill themselves QUOTE] Yeah, Aztec civilisation did that. People were sacrificed everyday to feed the Sun. Efficient population control lol.
[QUOTE=umega5;36616010]Like i look Around at my school, see all the even more dirt poor than me and basically borderline brain dead, and retardedly religious and just wonder how much better this planet would be if some1 shoved the idea of some form of birth control down there throats or just telling them to kill themselves as often as they "JESUSJESUSJESUSJESUSJESUS" fucking down everyone elses throats[/QUOTE] So in another word, you're just like Hitler except instead of starting a genocide, you're preventing one from being able to reproduce simply because they have different religious believes and metal capabilities than you? How would you like it if I were to castrate or neuter you simply because I think you are dumb for coming up with this idea?
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;36616915]So in another word, you're just like Hitler except instead of starting a genocide, you're preventing one from being able to reproduce simply because they have different religious believes and metal capabilities than you? How would you like it if I were to castrate or neuter you simply because I think you are dumb for coming up with this idea?[/QUOTE] I think a simple solution to this, as I am personally still a proponent for selective breeding in humans, is to simply test and evaluate couples who wish to bear a child to see if they would be capable of taking care of the child. In my mind, the development of a youth will determine the course of the rest of their lives and to allow two people who are clearly unfit to providing the needs and the proper education to a child to still have one is quite possibly one of the most disgusting, inevitable failures of the future. It's not about whether you are smart OR religious. It's about whether or not you can accept all the responsibilities that come with watching a child grow and live their lives. It's about whether or not you can take care of a kid.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertility_and_intelligence[/url] as the human race can more easily access information, such as through the internet etc. and receives a higher form of education, it is unlikely that parents will ever have beyond 1-2 kids. they may not have any at all, the only reason overpopulation is beginning to exist is because of the un-educated masses in third world countries - once they have strong foundations for a good education system in place then overpopulation will not be a problem. forcing people to have less kids only worsens the problem, when you could get right to the roots of the problem through education.
[QUOTE=Bobie;36617932][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertility_and_intelligence[/url] as the human race can more easily access information, such as through the internet etc. and receives a higher form of education, it is unlikely that parents will ever have beyond 1-2 kids. they may not have any at all, the only reason overpopulation is beginning to exist is because of the un-educated masses in third world countries - once they have strong foundations for a good education system in place then overpopulation will not be a problem. forcing people to have less kids only worsens the problem, when you could get right to the roots of the problem through education.[/QUOTE] It's sad too, since education can literally solve most issues with the world yet for some reason no one wants to stand up and fix it.
[QUOTE=JJ Isaac;36618012]It's sad too, since education can literally solve most issues with the world yet for some reason no one wants to stand up and fix it.[/QUOTE] indeed, however i would imagine that in 500 or so years a major problem on this planet will be a massive reduction in the worlds population due to the same fix for overpopulation. only time will tell what actually happens
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;36616915]So in another word, you're just like Hitler except instead of starting a genocide, you're preventing one from being able to reproduce simply because they have different religious believes and metal capabilities than you? How would you like it if I were to castrate or neuter you simply because I think you are dumb for coming up with this idea?[/QUOTE] its not really the fact that they have different religious believes or just stupid as fucking mentally fucked dirt(though being that fucking stupid typically is a big warning sign) , its just the fact that there is no way in hell that they should be in any position to raise 2 or 3 children (yeah they don't even fucking stop) let alone there own fucking cats or dogs that for some weird reason, a new one seems to die every week, and i know at least 2 of these fucking monkeys have in some way killed there kids (well one I know forgot that here kid was in her locked truck after spending like, 13 hours at the mall and church) So I say do what Isaac said, with a lot more violent reproductive organ removing, Just to make sure that they stay the last in line.
[QUOTE=umega5;36619255]its not really the fact that they have different religious believes or just stupid as fucking mentally fucked dirt(though being that fucking stupid typically is a big warning sign) , its just the fact that there is no way in hell that they should be in any position to raise 2 or 3 children (yeah they don't even fucking stop) let alone there own fucking cats or dogs that for some weird reason, a new one seems to die every week, and i know at least 2 of these fucking monkeys have in some way killed there kids (well one I know forgot that here kid was in her locked truck after spending like, 13 hours at the mall and church) So I say do what Isaac said, with a lot more violent reproductive organ removing, Just to make sure that they stay the last in line.[/QUOTE] this is the mass debate section buddy. debating material only.
[QUOTE=McGii;36529966]As in countries such as those in Africa[/QUOTE] Africa isn't overpopulated, that would be India.
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I'm not sure how true the statements in these videos are, but I think it shows that over-population may not be as big of a problem as some people like to believe. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVOU5bfHrM[/media] I can't think of exactly how, but I imagine that over-population may have some other effects that we don't want, but space and resources? I don't think they're the real problems. When it comes to resources, we certainly have enough food for example, the problem is just how to move it around and getting it to everyone. The people who starve in poor countries aren't starving because we've eaten all the food in the world, there's just a bunch of societal problems that prevents them from getting any of it.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;36621217]I'm not sure how true the statements in these videos are, but I think it shows that over-population may not be as big of a problem as some people like to believe. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVOU5bfHrM[/media] I can't think of exactly how, but I imagine that over-population may have some other effects that we don't want, but space and resources? I don't think they're the real problems. When it comes to resources, we certainly have enough food for example, the problem is just how to move it around and getting it to everyone. The people who starve in poor countries aren't starving because we've eaten all the food in the world, there's just a bunch of societal problems that prevents them from getting any of it.[/QUOTE] The strides we have made in industrial farming are amazing to say the least. Though I personally believe in eating organically, the tools that have been provided by science has increased our ability to grow food and grow it fast. I don't think we have anything to worry about in terms of food. Yet what about other resources? Helium and oil are, however, resources that do merit worry. If we become apathetic to these, our way life with drastically change in the coming generations and not in the good way. But there are easy-as-a-sweet-pea solutions to these, if we only allow ourselves to explore these possibilities. Countless numbers of alternatives for oil/gas have been presented, and if we can only start mining Helium-3 on the moon, we'd be much better off. Either way, I believe humans will adapt before that kind of crisis ever develops.
[QUOTE=umega5;36620806]I was Debating his Counter Debate to my opening statement.[/QUOTE] Except you're not debating, all you've done is to rant about your hate towards religious and lesser mentally capable individuals like a ignorant biggot. Honestly, generalizing all people those people as bad parents? You're a terrible person.
[QUOTE=wizu;36620219]Africa isn't overpopulated, that would be India.[/QUOTE] In areas like Nigeria, there's like 170 million people in an area the size of Texas.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;36622436]Except you're not debating, all you've done is to rant about your hate towards religious and lesser mentally capable individuals like a ignorant biggot. Honestly, generalizing all people those people as bad parents? You're a terrible person.[/QUOTE] I agree. Both my parents aren't the brightest bulbs in the shed - but they were good parents. Simply because you are not educated or highly intelligent does not mean that you can not raise a child properly.
[QUOTE=JJ Isaac;36622381]The strides we have made in industrial farming are amazing to say the least. Though I personally believe in eating organically, the tools that have been provided by science has increased our ability to grow food and grow it fast. I don't think we have anything to worry about in terms of food. Yet what about other resources? Helium and oil are, however, resources that do merit worry. If we become apathetic to these, our way life with drastically change in the coming generations and not in the good way. But there are easy-as-a-sweet-pea solutions to these, if we only allow ourselves to explore these possibilities. Countless numbers of alternatives for oil/gas have been presented, and if we can only start mining Helium-3 on the moon, we'd be much better off. Either way, I believe humans will adapt before that kind of crisis ever develops.[/QUOTE] Yeah, for limited resources, we're going to have to find alternatives or new ways to get more of it. But for those, over-population appears to be a non-issue as well. Yeah, sure, if we're 10 billion people, we're gonna run out of oil. But aren't we going to run out of oil if we're 5 billion or 2 billion, too? Just a little slower?
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;36622875]Yeah, for limited resources, we're going to have to find alternatives or new ways to get more of it. But for those, over-population appears to be a non-issue as well. Yeah, sure, if we're 10 billion people, we're gonna run out of oil. But aren't we going to run out of oil if we're 5 billion or 2 billion, too? Just a little slower?[/QUOTE] Yes, but the speed at which we use those resources grows exponentially parallel with population growth. The more civilization advances, the more technology does as well. If we are not actively searching for alternatives, the rate at which we use these resources will also accelerate alongside the increases in technology (we have seen this in China and oil). The fact is, we use resources and we use more each day. The solution isn't to conserve those resources, but rather to find new ones.
[QUOTE=JJ Isaac;36622946]Yes, but the speed at which we use those resources grows exponentially parallel with population growth. The more civilization advances, the more technology does as well. If we are not actively searching for alternatives, the rate at which we use these resources will also accelerate alongside the increases in technology (we have seen this in China and oil). The fact is, we use resources and we use more each day.[B] The solution isn't to conserve those resources, but rather to find new ones.[/B][/QUOTE] Exactly, so over population isn't even something we should consider when it comes to limited resources running out. Because simply slowing down the use isn't going to do the trick.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;36623115]Exactly, so over population isn't even something we should consider when it comes to limited resources running out. Because simply slowing down the use isn't going to do the trick.[/QUOTE] True, but without the threat looming over us, would we not just be apathetic to the situations? We need to still fear the idea running out of a resource, because simply saying we will eventually adapt won't do the trick. We have to be willing to adapt and I think that will only be possible if the general population believes a crisis calls for a transition. Hell, we had technology that could have replaced the traditional automobile by now, but we choose not to because of big oil and motor companies.
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