Photos Of Your Car(s) v3 (New Wheel Bearings Edition) - General

[QUOTE=Del91;46886655]You do if you're a tool lol[/QUOTE] you just wait

get rear ended there goes your head

I would get a bar if I could afford it, a cage isn't necessary in a car that isn't open top, like mine. A bar keeps me from going flat like a pancake. It's very nice to have. It would go behind my head, not a full cage.

[QUOTE=notlabbet;46887728]It would go behind my head, not a full cage.[/QUOTE] The whole debate going on is that roll bars (not cages, why are people even talking about cages) can result in head injury. Especially true for the Miata, whose lack of interior space forces the bar to be very close to the seats [URL="http://www.fawbush.org/images/2007_8_9_miata/miata_rollbar.jpg"]as such[/URL]. That said, an unprotected rollover is basically a guaranteed kill so there is good reason to invest in one. If you have the money, your best bet is well-padded bar, and if you don't, just do your best to avoid rollovers...

It's common tech knowledge that a roll cage or bar is bad in a street driven car. It would be absolutely fine if you wore a helmet when driving at any time. If you don't wear a helmet I can probably guarantee certain death when your head hits the bar. I always thought people were tools to put cages in a street car. They are uneccesary weight for a useless cause. If it is only driven at the track - then yeah go for it. On cars like the Miata for instance, I can see the need for a bar to try and stop you from being crushed in a rollover, but I've seen the way they mount, and don't think that they would help much - it seems they would just bend out of the way towards the back. There's no real longitudinal support in that bar. But I guess it's a better shot than nothing.

[QUOTE=Serj22;46888305]but I've seen the way they mount, and don't think that they would help much - it seems they would just bend out of the way towards the back. There's no real longitudinal support in that bar. But I guess it's a better shot than nothing.[/QUOTE] I think you're thinking of a style bar. Those add nothing to the safety of the car. Heres a picture of a real miata roll bar. These are very stiff and will save you in a roll, BUT look how close his head is to the bar! [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/j76Brq4.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=c0nk3r;46880698]BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP [/QUOTE] Where in Bergen/Pissiac/Sussex county do you live? Possibly warren or Morris to.

[QUOTE=Serj22;46888305]It's common tech knowledge that a roll cage or bar is bad in a street driven car. It would be absolutely fine if you wore a helmet when driving at any time. If you don't wear a helmet I can probably guarantee certain death when your head hits the bar. I always thought people were tools to put cages in a street car. They are uneccesary weight for a useless cause. If it is only driven at the track - then yeah go for it. On cars like the Miata for instance, I can see the need for a bar to try and stop you from being crushed in a rollover, but I've seen the way they mount, and don't think that they would help much - it seems they would just bend out of the way towards the back. There's no real longitudinal support in that bar. But I guess it's a better shot than nothing.[/QUOTE] Look up Miata rollover photos—the bars don't bent. Have saved many lives.

I've gotta get a rollbar for my datsun lol

[QUOTE=Call Me Kiwi;46888395]Where in Bergen/Pissiac/Sussex county do you live? Possibly warren or Morris to.[/QUOTE] Wrong end of the state there bud.

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;46888484]I've gotta get a rollbar for my datsun lol[/QUOTE] Think my Charger would look good with a rollbar over the trunk lid? :v:

[QUOTE=c0nk3r;46888491]Wrong end of the state there bud.[/QUOTE] I honestly never think of it snowing down there because me its always been the beach.

[QUOTE=Trekintosh;46883164]But then how can you go to a track day bro?[/QUOTE] It's track day bro. Rearview mirror interior lights bro.

[QUOTE=Jalcober;46888367]I think you're thinking of a style bar. Those add nothing to the safety of the car. Heres a picture of a real miata roll bar. These are very stiff and will save you in a roll, BUT look how close his head is to the bar! [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/j76Brq4.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] The proper bracing that should be used are generally referred to as "roll hoops", the S2000 has something similar but they are covered in plastic behind the seats. [t]http://www.frenzybars.com/bpkgr1.JPG[/t] [t]http://www.blackbirdfabworx.com/MSM-GT3-6-020w.jpg[/t] There's also "cages" that go behind the drivers seats properly, not all of them are full retard.

[QUOTE=slayer3032;46889116]The proper bracing that should be used are generally referred to as "roll hoops", the S2000 has something similar but they are covered in plastic behind the seats. [t]http://www.frenzybars.com/bpkgr1.JPG[/t] [t]http://www.blackbirdfabworx.com/MSM-GT3-6-020w.jpg[/t] There's also "cages" that go behind the drivers seats properly, not all of them are full retard.[/QUOTE] those hoops are called "style bars" and they do absolutely nothing except take up space. The bar in the second photo is what actually saves lives.

[QUOTE=notlabbet;46889233]those hoops are called "style bars" and they do absolutely nothing except take up space. The bar in the second photo is what actually saves lives.[/QUOTE] I was just kinda tossing in some pictures, nothing in specific other than safe to use in a DD. The s2000 has fully functional roll hoops and they are designed to support the vehicle. While I may not bet my life on them they're definitely far from just space eaters. I would only assume that someone makes a fairly decent "style bar" style product that can actually offer some protection.

I have the best kind of roll cage in my car: A car built with pure L.A. stamped and assembled American Steel of Freedom Made in U.S.A. inc. llc. usausausausausausausausausausa

[QUOTE=slayer3032;46889469]I would only assume that someone makes a fairly decent "style bar" style product that can actually offer some protection.[/QUOTE] Kind of paradoxical—if it's low enough to not bonk your head on, then it isn't high enough to save you in a rollover; conversely, if it's tall enough to do good in a rollover, it's within reach of your head. Hard to win with Miatas... Like I said, properly padded bar is the least worst option.

[QUOTE=danjee;46889516]Kind of paradoxical—if it's low enough to not bonk your head on, then it isn't high enough to save you in a rollover; conversely, if it's tall enough to do good in a rollover, it's within reach of your head. Hard to win with Miatas... Like I said, properly padded bar is the least worst option.[/QUOTE] Hardtop miata better option?

[QUOTE=Serj22;46889525]Hardtop miata better option?[/QUOTE] Glad you brought it up: no. Don't let anyone tell you hardtops increase safety or rigidity, they're full of shit.

your not going to roll over your miata by driving normally, why bother with expensive rollbars

[QUOTE=danjee;46889540]Glad you brought it up: no. Don't let anyone tell you hardtops increase safety or rigidity, they're full of shit.[/QUOTE] Uh no I got to school learning about car crashes and safety and I can assure you that hardtops are generally more rigid and safer to crash

[QUOTE=Ldesu;46889595]Uh no I got to school learning about car crashes and safety and I can assure you that hardtops are generally more rigid and safer to crash[/QUOTE] Are you referring to vehicles with roofs, or convertibles with removable hardtops (like the Miata)? I have the latter; it's just a fiberglass assembly strapped down with four latches and two screws. I guarantee you it does not make the car more rigid. It's simply not attached in enough places, and it's not held down tight enough in those places. The roof flexes both as a unit and along its edges where it meets the windshield + decklid. In a rollover, it's only going protect you with the amount of force it can take, which is very little. My roof was dropped from about three feet once, and it sustained some real damage. Cracks all over. It could absolutely not hold the weight of the car, let alone more.

Cars with roofs vs cars without roofs obviously

ok, that wasn't the discussion being held

If you roll in an mx5 onto soft ground a rollbar won't make any difference at all

[QUOTE=Ldesu;46889672]Cars with roofs vs cars without roofs obviously[/QUOTE] hes talking about a miata hardtop aka: [img]http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/attachments/las-vegas-local-classifieds/69339d1136859535-sale-1992-mazda-miata-low-low-miles-mvc-628s.jpg[/img] its just a piece of fiberglass, its not going to support the weight of the whole car. [editline]9th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=rampageturke 2;46889796]If you roll in an mx5 onto soft ground a rollbar won't make any difference at all[/QUOTE] i imagine id roll onto a road or something similar

[QUOTE=notlabbet;46889233]those hoops are called "style bars" and they do absolutely nothing except take up space. The bar in the second photo is what actually saves lives.[/QUOTE] The bar and the windshield structure in an S2000 can hold together with the car upside down sir.

I remember finding a website with a bunch of accounts (and photos) of people who had rolled their Miata. Each entry would tell you what kind of roll bar they had (Hard Dog for the most part) and what sort of injuries they acquired. For the most part, those who had the legit Hard Dog roll bars didn't suffer any fatal injuries. I found a site similar with customer testimonials and photos. [URL="http://www.bethania-garage.com/testimonials_story.htm"]Here are the testimonials.[/URL] There are few more photos on this page of rolled Miatas; [URL="http://www.bethania-garage.com/testimonials.htm"]all of these were submitted by those who rolled their Miata.[/URL] Roll bars save lives man. But they can be fatal too without proper padding. Here is a snippet of Revlimiter's story. (Revlimiter makes custom gauges and other aesthetic mods for Miatas.) [quote=Revlimiter]The damage stopped precisely where the rear legs of the rollbar connect to the frame, so I had a crush zone and a safe zone. But that rollbar would have surely killed or vegetated me without the padding installed. ... With that awful low-back stock seat, my head had nowhere to go but into the rollbar. The SFI padding is hard stuff. HARD stuff. Anyone who's ever felt it in their hands knows what I'm saying. Well, when my head hit it, the padding felt like a soft pillow. It's the last thing I remember before waking up on the side of the road. The padding gave me enough protection to just give me a minor concussion via the rollbar moving toward my head at 70 mph. ... PAD YOUR ROLLBARS! Hard Dog sells some great padding to go with their bars. Racer Parts Wholesale sells the stuff that saved my life. Get the good SFI stuff. You're worth it.[/quote] [URL="http://revlimiter.net/miata/bonk.html"]Source - revlimiter.net[/URL]

[QUOTE=danjee;46889516]Kind of paradoxical—if it's low enough to not bonk your head on, then it isn't high enough to save you in a rollover; conversely, if it's tall enough to do good in a rollover, it's within reach of your head. Hard to win with Miatas... Like I said, properly padded bar is the least worst option.[/QUOTE] The bar can be located behind the seat and higher than the seat back, there's no reason it should be located in front of the seat back where your head will hit it. That's just insanely bad design like pictured. [t]http://i.imgur.com/j76Brq4.jpg[/t] Maybe I'm overestimating the amount of space behind the seats but those style hoops seem like something else could occupy the same space and provide protection. [QUOTE=c0nk3r;46890729]The bar and the windshield structure in an S2000 can hold together with the car upside down sir.[/QUOTE] I said that already, there's been a good few people who can vouch for their effectiveness by simply existing due to them. [url]http://www.s2000.com/forums/racing-discussions/14066-oh-no-cant-track-s-without.html#post168370[/url]