• Should bullies be accountable for suicides that they caused?
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Only if they made actual statements suggesting suicide, such as "Kill yourself", "Do us all a favor and die", that type of thing. To an extent at least. If some kid picks on another and it just like "kill yourself lololololol" and the victim suicides a few weeks later that shouldn't count.
Yes, if it can be proved that they forced them to commit suicide. For example, hang yourself or I will kill you. If they have that recorded, I say go for it. They should be dealt with, but you can never say they caused the suicide. Any lawyer could argue that the person MAY have had a mental illness.
[QUOTE=Zacca;34173379]Yes, if it can be proved that they forced them to commit suicide. For example, hang yourself or I will kill you. [/QUOTE] Would you kill yourself if someone told you to? That's not how suicide works.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;34173914]Would you kill yourself if someone told you to? That's not how suicide works.[/QUOTE] That is the point I was trying to make. Unless they force them to kill themselves, they should not be held accountable.
bulys should get the daeth bpentatly like murders
[QUOTE=Zombi Evil;34184534]bulys should get the daeth bpentatly like murders[/QUOTE] Thank you for that insightful post. Anyways, any event needs an action to cause said event. If you push a ball over the table, it falls, but if the conditions are right (such as a flat table) the ball won't go anywhere. The act of the pushing itself is what moved the ball, it's just under the circumstance that the table was flat. Some tables are more slanted than others, making the ball roll faster. I'm trying to use it as a euphemism for bullying. If the bully pushes the victim over the edge, why shouldn't the bully be accountable? I highly doubt the victim would have offed themselves if the bully didn't harass them. And for those that say, "It was the victim's choice to kill themselves, the bully shouldn't be blamed." Well why couldn't the bully just stop being an asshole? And if you reply with, "Maybe the bully is having a hard time while his dad constantly beats his ass." sure, but if what was said before was true about the victim being able to just ignore the bully or some shit, why can't the bully stop? It's because if the statement of, "The bully could be having a hard time at home." or something it implies that it's the parents fault. But what about the bullies that are just plain shitheads? Should those bullies receive the same punishment as the bullies who have other awful things going on in their life? You see, it works both ways. You can't say the victim should just not let it bother them, even though it's much easier on the other side of the spectrum, for the bully to just stop. Because they're in the position of power and they can control it. The victim can't, so you are essentially saying that the victim should be blamed for wanting a way out because the bully didn't give them a damn choice. And what, we shouldn't blame the bully for being the inciting action in this? We shouldn't blame the bully for what I believe killed someone. That isn't right, because the bully should be taking the fall for the death of their victim, and if not the bully, then the parent. Because the party in power should automatically be read out with a red flag, because they essentially control the playing field. /rant
It has been said above but there should be a NEW charge, because it doesn't fit any of the current one's available. You might need 2 similar to Murder and manslaughter. The higher level one would be for the worst cases where they advocated the suicide and/or did their best to make the victim's life hell. The lower tier would be for those cases in which it was less intentional or not AS bad. Anyone who says that the victim should just ignore it and it is their fault has obviously never been bullied. It took me nearly 3 years to develop that ability and even then it didn't provide 100% cover. This was at primary school and when I went to secondary school it took me nearly a year to leave my little shell. I am lucky in that the area I am in is quite wealthy and thus as a nerd I am not picked on. I know if I lived in a town about 5 miles away I would be in a much worse place. Bullying is awful and it is not a case of just being able to ignore it because whilst the bullies lead it they are generally the most popular people and the rest of the class then does not want to be seen with you. This leaves 2 options. Either go into the little society that forms in a school and get actively harassed or stay on your own. Neither option is nice. I even told teachers and people found out. She had a talk to the class and for 2 weeks my life was OK and then it went back to the old ways. Also, the argument that the victim can simply ignore it or get back at the victim is flawed. The reason I was picked on, and that many are picked on, was that I was physically weaker and more socially awkward. This makes either of those options impossible to carry out. It is obvious I never committed suicide but I have a friend who did consider it, although he is less secure than I am. In his case I think it was not serious, it was more of a cry for help, but he still worries me. In the end not just bullying that results in suicide but ALL bullying should be a criminal offence because otherwise there is no way for the bully to see consequences. The worst they get normally is a single detention and a talking to, they are OK for a week or two and then come back as bad or worse. This is an interesting piece on [URL="http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html"]why nerds are picked on,[/URL] but some it follows for all bullying. /rant /essay [B]Edit:[/B] I think that most of the higher tier bullying cases should carry a prison sentences, and only the worst of the lower tiers carrying prison. Otherwise perhaps a fine equivalent to the cost of their rehabilitation and/or compensation to the victim, plus rehab for the victim as well, because it leaves a scar on them too.
No, cases of bullying aren't all black and white.
No. I believe that many "suicides by bullying" are actually caused (at least in part) by preexisting mental conditions, that are agitated by bullying.
There should at LEAST be a punishment, more than a slap on the wrist, but not something like prison. Actually, pretty sure a few weeks suspension would work.
Yes, they caused them, they should be held accountable.
Or maybe you should all step out of your little box. What if the school was held accountable, for creating that Lord of the Flies type of environment in the school where this type of shit exists?
I say no, not as long as bully is underage. Adults are responsible for teaching children to behave. If neither parents nor school do shit to stop bullying, it's their fault, not the bully's. And if bully is not underage, call cops on him.
Manslaughter at the most but even thats unlikely.
"Bullies", in High School I only encountered douchebags, who when you laughed at them would just go away and shun you forever.
[QUOTE=OvB;34101140]The same way a drunk driver has no intention of murdering the family of 4 he crashes into?[/QUOTE] the family didn't drive into themselves though i'm a suicide sympathizer but I don't necessarily people should be held accountable for the death punished, yes, but not held accountable
While I agree bullying is wrong and should be taken seriously, they shouldnt be held accountable to another persons actions. When you are being bullied there are options besides suicide, so that means the child CHOSE to kill himself instead of taking up another option. Plus the bully most likely wouldn't have wanted that for the child who killed themselves to go as far as to do that to himself.
[QUOTE=Narrator;34249056]While I agree bullying is wrong and should be taken seriously, they shouldnt be held accountable to another persons actions. When you are being bullied there are options besides suicide, so that means the child CHOSE to kill himself instead of taking up another option. Plus the bully most likely wouldn't have wanted that for the child who killed themselves to go as far as to do that to himself.[/QUOTE] You'd be surprised at some of the reactions bullies show when they find out their bullying victim killed themselves. Some of them are extremely callous. Again, I don't think bullies should be charged with murder but they should be punished if the bullying can be proven with evidence to be severe. The bullies shouldn't be locked away for the rest of their lives and rehabilitation should be the main focus but to simply allow a human to torment another human that way with no consequences doesn't seem right to me.
If they have reason that the actions of the bully had lead the victim to suicide then yes, but most definitively not for murder or even manslaughter. Possibly a new charge?
Yeah, but nothing serious though. But if they intended to kill them then ofcourse. It's a crime.
Yes and no, yes if the person they drove to do it is a intelligent person, no if the person is retarded and hung themelves cause the bully said "ur dum lol"
No. Suicide is their own choice and it is extremely difficult to tie it to a bullying unless there is a sucide note. The bully did not take a gun and blow their brains out. I don't support bullying, but they should not be held accountable for a death they did not necessarily cause. Bullies don't have a clue that the person they bully has the mental instability to consider and commit suicide. Also, a victim of bullying should see a counselor, parent, or a trusted adult. I'm sorry, but if you think they should be tried as muderers you're out of your fucking mind.
Not directly, rather indirectly. It could be used as a negative help to suicide. Either way, they should be accountable.
[QUOTE=Rolond Returns;34097779]Get out. Yes, they should be held entirely accountable; it is essentially murder.[/QUOTE] Ahahahaha no
They should be accountable but there should be a huge investigation to see if their was any other factors
The thought of causing ones death should be enough punishment for the bully. Unless of course they are so numb it doesn't bother them.
nah, there are plenty of other factors
No, I think bullies should not be accountable. Suicide is self-afflicted. It's only nowadays that people are making a big god damn deal about bullying because of the media coverage and all this preachy acceptance bullshit. I've been bullied, I've been made fun of. I didn't kill myself, I manned the fuck up.
if you kill yourself it's your own fault
Isn't it Involuntary Manslaughter?
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