post your political opinions that you never have the opportunity to talk about in SH
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[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49245368]It is the socially optimal solution but the threat of other people means we need to settle for a nash equilibrium, not the best solution for anyone but because we can't trust each other not to screw each other over we need an organised state to protect us in the case that someone else makes a state.[/QUOTE]
Well at least you get my argument.
Communism believes once a classless society is achieved, the state will wither away.
My view is once all the idiots and crazy has been gotten rid of, the state will wither away.
That the core of my beliefs.
If I could, I would flesh out how to do this.
My view is that political ideology in itself is a rather terrible thing. The left goes on making mistakes while the right prevents those mistakes from being fixed.
Given a real challenge ideologies meet reality and fail catastrophically, often in the form of war, famine, economic disaster, genocide, and misery. The countries which do best are the ones which prevent these sorts getting anywhere near power.
[QUOTE=JohhnyCarson;49245419]Well at least you get my argument.
Communism believes once a classless society is achieved, the state will wither away.
My view is once all the idiots and crazy has been gotten rid of, the state will wither away.
That the core of my beliefs.
If I could, I would flesh out how to do this.[/QUOTE]
I love that outlook. My fantasy would be that. Sadly its just that a fantasy.
[editline]4th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49245667]My view is that political ideology in itself is a rather terrible thing. The left goes on making mistakes while the right prevents those mistakes from being fixed.
Given a real challenge ideologies meet reality and fail catastrophically, often in the form of war, famine, economic disaster, genocide, and misery. The countries which do best are the ones which prevent these sorts getting anywhere near power.[/QUOTE]
You make the left sound like some kind of antagonist. IMO the left helps balance the right. Unbridled the right would create massive inequality, corruption and tyranny of the rich. IMO the left is the future, even if a distant one.
edit: ill post some more on left vs right once i feel a lil less fsdg
I find it impossible to form a concrete political view because I've worked too much on seeing things from other people's perspectives.
Fuck the Tories though.
Legalization of all drugs. Though I'd settle for decriminalization at least people aren't being put in prison.
I used to be pretty extreme in my views, but whenever I took the time to see what the other side was saying I realized how similar both sides are. Different ideologies, same idiots. As a result, I've adopted a centrist viewpoint for most things.
fat acceptance is wrong
Politicians are dicks. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49246735]You make the left sound like some kind of antagonist. IMO the left helps balance the right. Unbridled the right would create massive inequality, corruption and tyranny of the rich. IMO the left is the future, even if a distant one.
edit: ill post some more on left vs right once i feel a lil less fsdg[/QUOTE]
The future does not belong to any political position.
When an ideology demands a revolution and/or complete reworking and transformation of society in order to prosecute its goals for an (ultimately) Utopian system, you can tell right off the bat it's just an intellectual scam like foot reflexology or Freudian psychoanalysis.
Even worse is when they claim that history is on their side or that its the "future". I only have to think of the long lists of dead demagogues who proudly boasted how eternal they were in their material world, only for it to all go to pot. If your ideology has to blame other people for problems in the countries where it governs, then you have a serious problem with the ideology and not with the world.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49246735]I love that outlook. My fantasy would be that. Sadly its just that a fantasy.
[editline]4th December 2015[/editline][/QUOTE]
Which one? Withering of the state through communist methods or elimination of crazy and idiots?
B etter mental health care would be a start.
[QUOTE] If your ideology has to blame other people for problems in the countries where it governs, then you have a serious problem with the ideology and not with the world.[/QUOTE]
I agree
[QUOTE=JohhnyCarson;49245419]My view is once all the idiots and crazy has been gotten rid of, the state will wither away.[/QUOTE]
Mental healthcare is a realistic improvement in the near to moderate future but you're never going to get rid of idiots no matter what you try.
The flesh is weak and we should work towards ridding ourselves of it as soon as possible.
Also tomatoes are gross except for when processed, then they're ok.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;49250653]Mental healthcare is a realistic improvement in the near to moderate future but you're never going to get rid of idiots no matter what you try.[/QUOTE]
Many people have told me I tend to be incoherent. So I will ask you to help me be more clear.
A governmental sponsored mental health care system is a solution. There are two problems with it.
One, it runs the risk of being corrupted into a tool or a weapon against critics, reformists, activists and dissents to discredit them. Label them crazy, lock them up and issue them medicine that can debilitate them. I am saying that is a risk.
The second problem is, the government derives its power from making people mentally ill or emotionally sicker or at least making a society that makes its citizens emotional and mentally ill. The sicker they make you, the more totalitarian the government becomes, and more power it ends up having.
It is not in the interest of those in charge to make you a more healthier person. So whatever governmental sponsored mental health care system that is created, it is not going to be benign for very long.
Before you laugh at this, you have to understand how propaganda, and cults work.
It is the same principle. Healthy individuals seek independence or are independent. Unhealthy people are more likely to submit and give up control to someone else. Cult leaders and propagandists tend and seek through various methods to create imbalance in the psyches of their targeted audience.
One sign of how healthy a society is, can be determined how tolerant it is. A society with a tendency to fanaticism or extremists of any sort is a sign of an unhealthy, thus intolerant culture. It doesn't matter what ideal the extremists in said society follow, extremism is a sign of an unhealthy, thus intolerant society.
One way those in power or seek power is create a ideas that seem on the surface logical, good and benign, but are actually designed in a way that makes person imbalanced, thus more likely become an extremist.
Concerning idiots:
A large portion of idiots are people that created that way due to emotional imbalances. You are right, cant get rid of them all, but you can work towards managing them. A society focused on good emotional well being is on to the path of lowering the amount of idiots it has in the system.
I'm an anarchist at heart, as my ideal world is built upon cooperation as opposed to coercion. I despise systems that control the lives of human beings to their detriment. Still, I'm conflicted as I have a somewhat Hobbesian view of humanity as it stands now, and it's clear to me that strong national entities need to exist simply to limit the amount of human suffering in the world.
I'm all for cat and dog equality
I'm a huge hasbara fuccboi but i feel that Israel gets shit on too much on FP. While they do have problems, they get too much negative attention
It makes me angry how us smaller countries always have to pick up the pieces from aggressive US foreign policy. Yet because of the "you're either with or against us" mentality, we can't do shit about it.
I think the US will be known in far history as a ruthless Orwellian empire that the world is far more peaceful without.
Qaddafi? Saddam Hussein? Both should still be alive to this day. Assad will be dead next, I am calling it and the world will again do nothing out of fear. Yet Israel? Saudi Arabia? It's not right.
This is aimed at the American government of course not the people.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49265174]It makes me angry how us smaller countries always have to pick up the pieces from aggressive US foreign policy. Yet because of the "you're either with or against us" mentality, we can't do shit about it.
I think the US will be known in far history as a ruthless Orwellian empire that the world is far more peaceful without.
Qaddafi? Saddam Hussein? Both should still be alive to this day. Assad will be dead next, I am calling it and the world will again do nothing out of fear. Yet Israel? Saudi Arabia? It's not right.
This is aimed at the American government of course not the people.[/QUOTE]
Hussein gassed the kurds and offered a reward for families of suicide bombers while Gaddafi supported terrorists. For example, Gaddafi funded Black September which committed the Munich massacre and after the terrorists in that attack were killed, he used state money to give them a lavish funeral.
Saudi arabia is fucked up and israel is too to a lesser extent
I think alot of younger (teens to early 20s) people, both on facepunch and in real life hold overly idealistic and naive left leaning views that wouldnt work outside the confines of their bedrooms, let alone the world stage. Dont get me wrong, I consider myself a Liberal but some of the things I see/hear both irl and on forums makes me cringe.
I'm a nazi and a white nationalist
[QUOTE=cxcxxxxx;49265428]I think alot of younger (teens to early 20s) people, both on facepunch and in real life hold overly idealistic and naive left leaning views that wouldnt work outside the confines of their bedrooms, let alone the world stage. Dont get me wrong, I consider myself a Liberal but some of the things I see/hear both irl and on forums makes me cringe.[/QUOTE]
The world needs idealists. It might be unrealistic but also did black rights and women voting at one time.
[quote=not sure who]What can we do today, so that tomorrow we can do what we couldn't do today?[/quote]
Its in everyone's best interest to question what they can and remain as critical as possible, just because capitalism is "the best system" doesn't mean we shouldn't explore other ideas and it helps to have 2 views the realistic view which may remain jaded and sceptical and the idealistic view which is your ideal world, it doesn't have to be right or proven.
i dont talk much politics but i believe in white power
[editline]8th December 2015[/editline]
stop muslims from invading europe
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49265676]The world needs idealists. It might be unrealistic but also did black rights and women voting at one time.
Its in everyone's best interest to question what they can and remain as critical as possible, just because capitalism is "the best system" doesn't mean we shouldn't explore other ideas and it helps to have 2 views the realistic view which may remain jaded and sceptical and the idealistic view which is your ideal world, it doesn't have to be right or proven.[/QUOTE]
I just described what i think is the root of the problem. No idea how to make it clearer ..............................
[QUOTE=JohhnyCarson;49269241]I just described what i think is the root of the problem. No idea how to make it clearer ..............................[/QUOTE]
I wasn't actually criticising your post, I was replying to the guy saying about idealists on facepunch.
@ your big post above.
Your fears about government run healthcare are p much the same as mine about private healthcare.
You fear seems to be "making a society that makes its citizens emotional and mentally ill" or be be used as a weapon against people. (seems unfounded to me but I guess it could happen)
I would argue that private healthcare have financial incentive to misdiagnose, give out unnecessary medicines and treat symptoms rather than causes. A permanent cure for a disease is 1000s of times less profitable than a treatment for the symptoms or a pill that helps prevent it for a short time. Private companies operate for profit so its bad business strategy to create long term solutions to illness.
Luckily they are not mutually exclusive. The UK has nationalised healthcare and also private healthcare. So neither scenario is forced upon you (or I or he or she)
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49271118]I wasn't actually criticising your post, I was replying to the guy saying about idealists on facepunch.
@ your big post above.
Your fears about government run healthcare are p much the same as mine about private healthcare.
You fear seems to be "making a society that makes its citizens emotional and mentally ill" or be be used as a weapon against people. (seems unfounded to me but I guess it could happen)
I would argue that private healthcare have financial incentive to misdiagnose, give out unnecessary medicines and treat symptoms rather than causes. A permanent cure for a disease is 1000s of times less profitable than a treatment for the symptoms or a pill that helps prevent it for a short time. Private companies operate for profit so its bad business strategy to create long term solutions to illness.
Luckily they are not mutually exclusive. The UK has nationalised healthcare and also private healthcare. So neither scenario is forced upon you (or I or he or she)[/QUOTE]
Well, my theory is the government exists due to emotional imbalance and idiocy. This is based on my understanding how cults and propaganda works. A cult leader or propagandists job is to make you imbalanced, thus stupid. The more effective the propaganda or cult leaders tactics are, the stronger and more power a government will get. This power is gained through making the target intolerant and fanatical. If you study totalitarian regimes, you will know this to be true.
Propaganda and tactics of a cult leader don't work on a strong, sane healthy mind.
Over time, what happens is the stupid, insane, fanatics who are intolerant tend to target the healthy, creative, intelligent, and tolerant people.
As in sometimes, they do what they can to eliminate them. Some times through discrimination, sometimes out right killing them.
over time this create in the gene pool the elimination of tolerant, healthy, smart people in favor of the dumb, insane fanatics. Which over time makes life more and more hellish.
It also give the government more and more power.
One way a cult leader or a propagandist can make you sick is create ideas designed intentionally to imbalance you.
Basically, that last line is saying, any one who doesnt agree with my ideas is an insane fanatic who is intolerant, bigoted, dumb and under the lull of a false ideas designed to enslave them.
Including liberal thought.
[QUOTE]So neither scenario is forced upon you (or I or he or she)[/QUOTE]
Correction, you still ill. You still live in a nation with a government, thus in a society that is making you ill, and slightly crazy, thus intolerant. The root of these issues comes from your society's "meme sphere"
If you had the correct ideas to follow, this wouldnt be.
Only reason you disagree with this idea in any manner, is the same reason as if you were to argue with me if fire is hot and if it is a good idea to stick your hand in a fire.
[QUOTE=JohhnyCarson;49271177]Well, my theory is the government exists due to emotional imbalance and idiocy. This is based on my understanding how cults and propaganda works. A cult leader or propagandists job is to make you imbalanced, thus stupid. The more effective the propaganda or cult leaders tactics are, the stronger and more power a government will get. This power is gained through making the target intolerant and fanatical. If you study totalitarian regimes, you will know this to be true.
Propaganda and tactics of a cult leader don't work on a strong, sane healthy mind.
Over time, what happens is the stupid, insane, fanatics who are intolerant tend to target the healthy, creative, intelligent, and tolerant people.
As in sometimes, they do what they can to eliminate them. Some times through discrimination, sometimes out right killing them.
over time this create in the gene pool the elimination of tolerant, healthy, smart people in favor of the dumb, insane fanatics. Which over time makes life more and more hellish.
It also give the government more and more power.
One way a cult leader or a propagandist can make you sick is create ideas designed intentionally to imbalance you.
Basically, that last line is saying, any one who doesnt agree with my ideas is an insane fanatic who is intolerant, bigoted, dumb and under the lull of a false ideas designed to enslave them.
Including liberal thought.
Correction, you still ill. You still live in a nation with a government, thus in a society that is making you ill, and slightly crazy, thus intolerant. The root of these issues comes from your society's "meme sphere"
If you had the correct ideas to follow, this wouldnt be.
Only reason you disagree with this idea in any manner, is the same reason as if you were to argue with me if fire is hot and if it is a good idea to stick your hand in a fire.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your
[quote]This power is gained through making the target intolerant and fanatical. If you study totalitarian regimes, you will know this to be true. [/quote] carl schmitt said the same thing and we see from practice that it works but I think the rest is... troubling
Ironic that you are so opposed to communism (in a post yesterday you blamed communism for the destruction of nationalism and western culture) when the fear associated with communism is infact taught to you by your state. Come to think of it nationalism is also invented by the state for serving the state.
Was the post satire am I reading too much into it?
edit: If this is legit I don't meant to insult your beliefs you clearly have some reasoning to why you hold them. It does seem to have a "I'm the only smart person who knows what really going on the rest of you are just ignorant sheep" vibe going on.
anyone who unironically supports bernie sanders doesn't deserve a voice in politics
[QUOTE=Pazzda;49271452]anyone who unironically supports bernie sanders doesn't deserve a voice in politics[/QUOTE]
Who else is there to support?
[QUOTE=Pazzda;49271452]anyone who unironically supports bernie sanders doesn't deserve a voice in politics[/QUOTE]
What a great list of reasons, I particularly liked your point about
[QUOTE=Limed00d;49264543]I'm all for cat and dog equality[/QUOTE]
Although, I disagree with bird right groups. Why should we let a bunch of feathered jerks that poop eggs vote?
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