• PETA ads
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[QUOTE=ThisGuy0;39214321]What's the point of this advert? I mean the basic point it's going for is fine but what Kennel Club member is going to watch this and think 'wow they compared me to the KKK this really makes me respect their views.'[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;x7RTsVfMHQk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7RTsVfMHQk[/video] Reason why they targeted the Kennel Club.
[QUOTE=Justjake274;39210562]good message too i'm no extremist vegan or anything but yeah i don't like the whole pure-bred superbreeding business (you know what I mean)[/QUOTE] Pure breds are dumb, anyways. Mutt Master Race.
Nice, now I want there to be one about speciesism, because that's a worse problem.
One shouldn't compare dogs (or any other kind of animal) to human beings. Everyone who does is beyond any help. Because that's pretty much nazi racial doctrine reverted.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;39223263]I don't know, I'm kinda a fan of purebred dogs. I agree some of the more extreme practices to maintain purity are stupid, but is it really that bad to have, say, a purebred German Shepherd if it's from a reputable breeder?[/QUOTE] pure breds tend to have genetic problems considering they are bred from a relatively small population so bad genes become more prominent. even having another breed in the blood of the animal a few generations back can seriously lower the risk for a lot of health problems(depending on the breed). so yea it is a bit bad to try and get a purebred. [editline]15th January 2013[/editline] and it depends on what you mean by "reputable" breeder. it's still fairly common and "reputable" to have rampant incest with purebreds; even a relatively good breeder might still subject their dogs to breeding practices that will leave them weaker. [editline]15th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=gudman;39226211]One shouldn't compare dogs (or any other kind of animal) to human beings. Everyone who does is beyond any help. Because that's pretty much nazi racial doctrine reverted.[/QUOTE] no it's not why would you subject an animal to practices that you wouldn't want to be subjected too?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39226220] no it's not why would you subject an animal to practices that you wouldn't want to be subjected too?[/QUOTE] I have a hard time answering that question. Because it's an animal, incapable of free thought and reason, most likely. We process them into meat, keep them as pets, use them in our agriculture and so on. You're not going to compare that to slavery, are you?
[QUOTE=gudman;39226271]I have a hard time answering that question. Because it's an animal, incapable of free thought and reason, most likely. We process them into meat, keep them as pets, use them in our agriculture and so on. You're not going to compare that to slavery, are you?[/QUOTE] does the ability to think freely or reason prevent the animal from feeling pain? does the lack of philosophy really prevent the suffering of a creature with a fully functioning nervous system and brain?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39226336]does the ability to think freely or reason prevent the animal from feeling pain? does the lack of philosophy really prevent the suffering of a creature with a fully functioning nervous system and brain?[/QUOTE] Where did I say that? Pain and suffering is very real. Just like the pain and suffering one animal is causing to another animal in the wild during it's life. Lion probably won't ask me about my feelings before mutilating me and playing with my corpse, why should I ask it? He does what he does according to his nature, so are humans. The diffirence is, our nature is only defined by ourselves, more or less. Why does red list of endangered species exist? Because we care about these animals or because we care about being able to enjoy their existance one way or another? All of that is debatable though, what I really have problems with is the implications of this ad. You don't compare crimes against humanity (the most severe ones in our society) to dog pure breeding. To me this idea looks quite disparaging to the former.
[QUOTE=gudman;39226424]Where did I say that? Pain and suffering is very real. Just like the pain and suffering one animal is causing to another animal in the wild during it's life. Lion probably won't ask me about my feelings before mutilating me and playing with my corpse, why should I ask it? He does what he does according to his nature, so are humans. The diffirence is, our nature is only defined by ourselves, more or less. Why does red list of endangered species exist? Because we care about these animals or because we care about being able to enjoy their existance one way or another? All of that is debatable though, what I really have problems with is the implications of this ad. You don't compare crimes against humanity (the most severe ones in our society) to dog pure breeding. To me this idea looks quite disparaging to the former.[/QUOTE] In the future, can you please try and put some clarification into your arguments as to why, even if they are as obvious as you think they might be. For example: - One shouldn't compare dogs (or any other kind of animal) to human beings - You don't compare crimes against humanity (the most severe ones in our society) to dog pure breeding. - I really have problems with is the implications of this ad. To me this idea looks quite disparaging to the former.
man what! dogs are made to be a human companion. it only makes sense that we would breed a master race of them to make them the ultimate companion. dogs and humans together will triumph over any threat. cats can just chill on my bed and watch on tv
[QUOTE=gudman;39226424]The diffirence is, our nature is only defined by ourselves, more or less. [/QUOTE] exactly. a lion acts purely on nature while a human is able to rationalize morality. an animal that cannot comprehend another creature's suffering cannot be blamed when they cause suffering. a creature that can comprehend suffering has a responsibility to not cause suffering.
As long as I have a dog that barks like a rifle and goes for the neck, I'm happy.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39232762]exactly. a lion acts purely on nature while a human is able to rationalize morality. an animal that cannot comprehend another creature's suffering cannot be blamed when they cause suffering. a creature that can comprehend suffering has a responsibility to not cause suffering.[/QUOTE] The thing is, there's no objective responsibility. Empathy, sure, I wouldn't ever for the life of me do harm to my cat/dog or whatever. Doesn't stop me from eating meat, nor does it stop anyone from working in that industry. Our nature is to utilize everything around us, however we see fit for our society. The only responsibility comes from ourselves - it's pretty much thought up into existance and is called morals. That's why any kind of "equality"-speak about "speciesism" (culture obsessed with feeling guilty) doesn't fly. It's shattered by the ones who perpetuate the term. We must excuse animals for acting how they do, but humans? No, responsibility and all that. Because morality. So at the end of the day, animal is not equal to human being.
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