If you're going to live in a country, please learn their language first
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[QUOTE=thisispain;29829844]because i've never heard of such a thing, the GED doesn't require you to know any extra languages
plus most people i know here don't speak any other language than english yet have passed high school[/QUOTE]
Don't need to know it, just pass the class
[QUOTE=Tyrannosaur;29829369]And you know that these Mexicans who don't speak English are illegal immigrants, because you have to learn English in order to become a US citizen, it's part of the citizenship test that all legal immigrants are required to take.[/QUOTE]
that's such a bad assumption to make
most recent immigrants don't have citizenship, but that doesn't make them illegal - it's called legal residency
[QUOTE=thisispain;29829857]what, do you think the rest of the world accidentally learned english?[/QUOTE]
Not sure what you're trying to say?
From what I understand you want everyone in America to learn every language JUST IN CASE someone with a different language moves there. I'm saying if that happens we should do the same with every country.
As an immigrant from Poland it really pisses me off that some people can't be assed to learn a language that's already similar to theirs.
And special privileges that only immigrants get. Fuck that.
[QUOTE=asdfghjkl';29829866]Don't need to know it, just pass the class[/QUOTE]
well then that's not really the same as learning the language
plus in the state i'm living in there's no requirement for learning a foreign language
[QUOTE=thisispain;29829844]because i've never heard of such a thing, the GED doesn't require you to know any extra languages
plus most people i know here don't speak any other language than english yet have passed high school[/QUOTE]
To be in any college prep you have to take a 2 year course of a different language.
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;29829890]Not sure what you're trying to say?
From what I understand you want everyone in America to learn every language JUST IN CASE someone with a different language moves there. I'm saying if that happens we should do the same with every country.[/QUOTE]
you pretty much are
[QUOTE=asdfghjkl';29829866]Don't need to know it, just pass the class[/QUOTE]
I'm in Michigan, we need to have one other language class for one semester as a requirement. We don't need 2 years. It's a state thing. A cultural thing. Deal with it.
While I agree, it takes a pretty damn long time for a speaker who's been immersed in their native language for their entire life, to learn some entirely different language they've probably never heard of.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;29829902]To be in any college prep you have to take a 2 year course of a different language.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what a college prep is, but you don't need to take any language courses in (most) colleges as a requirement.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;29829902]To be in any college prep you have to take a 2 year course of a different language.[/QUOTE]
depends on the state
pretty stupid to tell someone "you can't be here unless I can communicate with you"
people are just doing what they can with the short time they have on this planet and you gotta bust their balls for trying to find a place with greater opportunity - which everyone should be entitled to seek out.
[QUOTE=Detective P;29829908]I'm in Michigan, we need to have one other language class for one semester as a requirement. We don't need 2 years. It's a state thing. A cultural thing. Deal with it.[/QUOTE]
I find it really shitty that even to get a job in some places, I need to know spanish here.
Why should I deal with two years of class time I could be learning something else that would be more valuable to me.
[QUOTE=thisispain;29829921]depends on the state[/QUOTE]
California recommends two years. Three for UC systems.
[QUOTE=asdfghjkl';29829957]I find it really shitty that even to get a job in some places, I need to know spanish here.
Why should I deal with two years of class time I could be learning something else that would be more valuable to me.[/QUOTE]
You're taking up a job that may be set in a predominately Spanish area. In where it's workers and/or customers are also Spanish-speaking. A boss would like you more if you can operate a cash register, put stock on the shelves and at the same time be able to communicate with customers and helping them. Spanish is certainly a plus in that community if you're seeking a job there.
[QUOTE=Detective P;29829767]I don't give a shit what language you speak. There isn't legal facto language, and people can speak whatever language they like. And plus, I don't give a shit if they're illegal immigrants. If they're on US soil, they're Americans in my eyes, and superseding that, they're humans. Who happen to speak a different language than the majority. Deal with it.
I also don't like this statement:
"Now I understand that some Mexicans are good people and have learned English"
Seriously? Because you didn't learn English, you're not a good person? That's what you seem to be implying there. And the fact that you tie that into "some Mexicans are" seems kinda racially charged, there.
Now personally, as you really don't need to know english besides schooling in many south western parts, then there's no real reason for them to learn it besides it's "the" language. For those out of that area, it is a practicality issue, and it should be taught. And it is. But to generalize and find distaste towards people for using their native language? Pathetic.[/QUOTE]
Did you even read the OP? At all?
He didn't say everyone needs to learn english, only if you live in an english speaking country.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29829962]California recommends two years. Three for UC systems.[/QUOTE]
recommends is different
[QUOTE=Penguiin;29829935]pretty stupid to tell someone "you can't be here unless I can communicate with you"
people are just doing what they can with the short time they have on this planet and you gotta bust their balls for trying to find a place with greater opportunity - which everyone should be entitled to seek out.[/QUOTE]
They won't be able to find much opportunity in America unless their dream is to be a gardener if they aren't at least able to communicate with half of the country
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[QUOTE=thisispain;29829976]recommends is different[/QUOTE]
I meant 2 years requirement actually. A-G requirements posted in every classroom.
[QUOTE=asdfghjkl';29829957]I find it really shitty that even to get a job in some places, I need to know spanish here.
Why should I deal with two years of class time I could be learning something else that would be more valuable to me.[/QUOTE]
Because it's a common language that you will have to deal with in a job environment. That is the case. Employers expect that you can deal with that. Maybe it could be spent better, but there are spanish-speaking Americans in America and you live in an area that has a higher concentration of them. Employers want their service, so they want employees that can handle it.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;29829809]English is a mix of pretty much every language, and it's pretty close to a lot of Spanish words.[/QUOTE]
Hahahaha...
no
[QUOTE=asdfghjkl';29829957]I find it really shitty that even to get a job in some places, I need to know spanish here.
Why should I deal with two years of class time I could be learning something else that would be more valuable to me.[/QUOTE]
the only jobs like that are things like call centers or transcribing medical records, being bi-lingual can be incredibly beneficial and i'm pretty sure it'd be against the law to not hire you based on the fact you don't know spanish unless the position explicitly required that
[QUOTE=BagMinge104;29829425]ITT [B]a racist with no knowledge[/B] of the concept of the immigrant experience speals for the "American People".[/QUOTE]
Sounds like the perfect spokesperson for the 'American People'
[QUOTE=ejonkou;29830018]Hahahaha...
no[/QUOTE]
It's true but it doesn't make it easy to learn
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;29829809]English is a mix of pretty much every language, and it's pretty close to a lot of Spanish words.[/QUOTE]
Whut.
It's composed of mostly Anglo-Saxon German with French in a later period when Normans introduced French in the mix.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29830006]I meant 2 years requirement actually. A-G requirements posted in every classroom.[/QUOTE]
Hell, I had to take 3 years of a language (or 2 years of 2) just to graduate Middle School.
Being a massive nerd, I did three years of Latin, but they had Spanish, French, German and (in my third year) Japanese, so some people actually learned a skill more useful than being able to quote "Quidquid latine dicitur, altum videtur" et cetera at people.
[QUOTE=Detective P;29829920]I'm not sure what a college prep is, but you don't need to take any language courses in (most) colleges as a requirement.[/QUOTE]
College prep is the graduation path to graduate with the class in cap and gown. GED is the retarded path of dropouts and night schoolers.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;29830041]Hell, I had to take 3 years of a language (or 2 years of 2) just to graduate Middle School.
Being a massive nerd, I did three years of Latin, but they had Spanish, French, German and (in my third year) Japanese, so some people actually learned a skill more useful than being able to quote "Quidquid latine dicitur, altum videtur" et cetera at people.[/QUOTE]
You must have went to a really shitty middle school.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29830006]I meant 2 years requirement actually. A-G requirements posted in every classroom.[/QUOTE]
i've never heard of that one
the only one i've heard was one course of language or arts and that was in california :v:
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