Step yourself up $100 and buy a fucking K-31.
[quote][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Schmidt_Rubin_K31.jpg[/img][/quote]
[QUOTE=Aman VII;30383576]Not really. You seem to like exaggerating.
6.5x50mm offered quite low recoil and the rifles that it were chambered for were essentially Mauser actions like the Type 99 is.
The Japanese army felt they needed a more powerful round so they started the transition to the 7.7 and the shorter Type 99 rifle.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever actually shot either? I have a 6.5mm and have fired it, granted not easily, since finding the correct 6.5 Jap is stupidly difficult. The bolt is too short to close effectively (yes, I measured the ammo, its 6.5x50mm) and it is bar none, the worst bolt action I've ever used, even if it is based on the mauser action. It is too heavy, clunky, awkward, and not terribly accurate either; in fact, I believe my mosin outperforms it in every aspect.
My budget really only is $200.
So a Mosin it is.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;30385849]Step yourself up $100 and buy a fucking K-31.[/QUOTE]
What is that?
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;30390202]What is that?[/QUOTE]
Swiss bolt action rifle. Straight pull bolt.
They're actually pretty cool to fire.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;30386787]Have you ever actually shot either? I have a 6.5mm and have fired it, granted not easily, since finding the correct 6.5 Jap is stupidly difficult. The bolt is too short to close effectively [/QUOTE]
That sounds like something is really fucked up with your gun...
If I am picturing what your saying right you probably shouldn't be firing it if the bolt doesn't close and lock properly that's dangerous
[editline]11th June 2011[/editline]
just popped into my head, you may have an actual 6.5 Jap one but you know a lot of the bring home Type 38 and Type 44's were re chambered to the more available .257 Roberts
My friend saved a brutally bubba'd Type 38 which was actually originally a pretty rare one. It was re chambered to .257 Roberts and the way it was done was the normal .257 Roberts would not fire correctly, and 6.5 Jap wouldn't fire correctly so you would have to hand load your own "custom" .257 Roberts. Apparently this was the case with a lot of those rifles.
Why do you have a horn growing out of your arm
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;30396690]Because I'm underweight :frogbon:[/QUOTE]
Looks like your wrist has a [i]boner[/i].
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;30396690]Because I'm underweight :frogbon:[/QUOTE]
I have that too. :smith:
[QUOTE=Aman VII;30390945]That sounds like something is really fucked up with your gun...
If I am picturing what your saying right you probably shouldn't be firing it if the bolt doesn't close and lock properly that's dangerous
[editline]11th June 2011[/editline]
just popped into my head, you may have an actual 6.5 Jap one but you know a lot of the bring home Type 38 and Type 44's were re chambered to the more available .257 Roberts
My friend saved a brutally bubba'd Type 38 which was actually originally a pretty rare one. It was re chambered to .257 Roberts and the way it was done was the normal .257 Roberts would not fire correctly, and 6.5 Jap wouldn't fire correctly so you would have to hand load your own "custom" .257 Roberts. Apparently this was the case with a lot of those rifles.[/QUOTE]
Interesting, thanks, didn't know that. I don't believe ours was rechambered; the bolt closes and locks ok, its just a few thousandths short because the firing pin strikes the primer but not enough to fire it. Pics to follow
[QUOTE=MAC21500;30398688]Interesting, thanks, didn't know that. I don't believe ours was rechambered; the bolt closes and locks ok, its just a few thousandths short because the firing pin strikes the primer but not enough to fire it. Pics to follow[/QUOTE]
[I]"Japanese Type 38 Arisaka rifles brought to the United States as wartime souvenirs were sometimes converted by rechambering to utilize more readily available .257 Roberts cartridge cases because commercially produced 6.5x50mm Arisaka cartridges were scarce prior to distribution by Norma Projektilfabrik A/S. The neck of the Roberts case would be slightly enlarged to accept handloaded 6.5mm bullets. The modified Roberts cases are sometimes known as 6.5x.257 Roberts, although the case headstamp may still indicate .257 Roberts.
Neither unmodified .257 Roberts ammunition nor the original 6.5x50mm Arisaka ammunition are suitable for firing in rechambered Arisaka rifles."
[/I]
[QUOTE=Aman VII;30399227][I]"Japanese Type 38 Arisaka rifles brought to the United States as wartime souvenirs were sometimes converted by rechambering to utilize more readily available .257 Roberts cartridge cases because commercially produced 6.5x50mm Arisaka cartridges were scarce prior to distribution by Norma Projektilfabrik A/S. The neck of the Roberts case would be slightly enlarged to accept handloaded 6.5mm bullets. The modified Roberts cases are sometimes known as 6.5x.257 Roberts, although the case headstamp may still indicate .257 Roberts.
Neither unmodified .257 Roberts ammunition nor the original 6.5x50mm Arisaka ammunition are suitable for firing in rechambered Arisaka rifles."
[/I][/QUOTE]
Rifle was not rechambered, Grandfather stated that he picked it up on one of the islands from the enemy weapons storage there and never did anything to it.
Also, pics of the ammo dilemma; feel free to add your two cents.
What it says on the box:
[img]http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9065/dsc04033y.jpg[/img]
What it says on the cartridge:
[img]http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1464/dsc04034ic.jpg[/img]
Notice the double strike and the fact that the round is still live:
[img]http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/3309/dsc04036o.jpg[/img]
Side by side of the fired and unfired; also note the swelling on the fired one. This was due to cemented on gunk in the bore preventing the round from chambering properly:
[img]http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5301/dsc04030kb.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2338/dsc04035n.jpg[/img]
Here is what the ammo above measures and what I believed to be the correct ammo for this gun:
[img]http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/3303/cd65x50arisaka.jpg[/img]
Here is what most likely fits the gun:
[img]http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3420/cd65japaneseservice.jpg[/img]
I know this technically isn't a firearm, but does anyone do Archery? I have been looking into getting into it.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;30401795]Rifle was not rechambered, Grandfather stated that he picked it up on one of the islands from the enemy weapons storage there and never did anything to it.
Also, pics of the ammo dilemma; feel free to add your two cents.
What it says on the box:
[img]http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9065/dsc04033y.jpg[/img]
What it says on the cartridge:
[img]http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1464/dsc04034ic.jpg[/img]
Notice the double strike and the fact that the round is still live:
[img]http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/3309/dsc04036o.jpg[/img]
Side by side of the fired and unfired; also note the swelling on the fired one. This was due to cemented on gunk in the bore preventing the round from chambering properly:
[img]http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5301/dsc04030kb.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2338/dsc04035n.jpg[/img]
Here is what the ammo above measures and what I believed to be the correct ammo for this gun:
[img]http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/3303/cd65x50arisaka.jpg[/img]
Here is what most likely fits the gun:
[img]http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3420/cd65japaneseservice.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I'm no expert but it looks like something to do with the firing pin itself.
I would say post it on /k/ but they are mostly children with no guns.
(in fact I'll post it on /k/ now and see what responses I get since you're probably asleep and I'm curious)
You aren't Canadian obviously but I suggest posting your question on CanadianGunNutz forum. Some 65,000 active and intelligent members. They'd find your problem fast.
[editline]12th June 2011[/editline]
wait a sec.
"cemented gunk in the bore"
uhhh that might be the problem right there...
[editline]12th June 2011[/editline]
So what I got from /k/:
[I]"You could always replace the firing pin with a new one to see if that helps. Otherwise, the headspace might be off. Hope that it isn't that."
"... on second thought, I'm thinking shit ammo. Does it do this often? How many times did you try to fire?"
">cemented on gunk in the bore preventing the round from chambering properly
I sincerely hope you cleaned that out by now..."[/I]
I'm interested in a pump action shotgun. I'm looking at the Mossberg 500 but there are so many different variants I don't know what to get. I was really looking at the 500 JIC because of its small size. Should I just get a 590?
hahahahah the guys on /k/ really don't like you MAC
[I]"Wait, wait wait. Back up. Let me get this straight.
You were trying to force a cartridge into a fouled breach, tried to fire the same round twice, the round didn't fire, but distended the brass. Miraculously, you managed to extract the round. Am I tracking so far?[/I]
[I]if that is the case, how is this guy not dead yet?"
"put your gun down and get the fuck back OP. you are a moron"
"How are you not dead? Please give that firearm to someone who knows wtf they are doing."
"First, you need to take that entire rifle apart and soak it.. for however long it takes to clear all the 'gunk' out.. before you even try to fire it.. plus like everyone else has said.. WTF HOW ARE YOU NOT DEAD"[/I]
[editline]12th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=EagleEye;30403503]I'm interested in a pump action shotgun. I'm looking at the Mossberg 500 but there are so many different variants I don't know what to get. I was really looking at the 500 JIC because of its small size. Should I just get a 590?[/QUOTE]
Too bad you didn't live in Canada, you could be buying a Grizzly.
IMO the 500 JIC is neat but I'd want a shotgun with a stock. Of course you can just buy an after market stock though.
[QUOTE=Aman VII;30403912]hahahahah the guys on /k/ really don't like you MAC
[I]"Wait, wait wait. Back up. Let me get this straight.
You were trying to force a cartridge into a fouled breach, tried to fire the same round twice, the round didn't fire, but distended the brass. Miraculously, you managed to extract the round. Am I tracking so far?[/I]
[I]if that is the case, how is this guy not dead yet?"
"put your gun down and get the fuck back OP. you are a moron"
"How are you not dead? Please give that firearm to someone who knows wtf they are doing."
"First, you need to take that entire rifle apart and soak it.. for however long it takes to clear all the 'gunk' out.. before you even try to fire it.. plus like everyone else has said.. WTF HOW ARE YOU NOT DEAD"[/I]
[editline]12th June 2011[/editline]
[/QUOTE]
The reason we fired it with crap in the bore is because my father had actually fired it with different ammo beforehand also not knowing there was crap in it. Then it hung on a wall for who knows how many years before we cleaned it and had this incident. After this incident, we cleaned it and removed the aforementioned gunk and proceeded to flip a shit. That is why I stated the gunk was "cemented" in the bore because it managed to escape several cleanings without coming out.
I sincerely believe finding the correct 6.5 Jap ammo is the problem, since there seem to be 4 different types that would all fit and only one correctly.
Also, you can tell the guys at /k/ that I'm not dead because both when my father fired this and when we fired it this second time, it was sandbagged down and we pulled the trigger with a lanyard BECAUSE we didn't know what the gun would do, being as old as it was.
This is the ammo my father used in it:
[url]http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/cPath/24_91/products_id/3524?osCsid=gm8o14ashn0btcivsjlv3s3n84[/url]
Here is the ACTUAL correct ammo:
[url]http://www.gunsammo.ws/6.5x50mm-Arisaka-big-graphic.htm[/url]
[editline]12th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=EagleEye;30403503]I'm interested in a pump action shotgun. I'm looking at the Mossberg 500 but there are so many different variants I don't know what to get. I was really looking at the 500 JIC because of its small size. Should I just get a 590?[/QUOTE]
You do not want a wristbreaker shotgun. I don't know if you're a mossberg fan, but I'd suggest going with a Remington 870. The 870 Express Slug gun is excellent, so is the 870 Wingmaster; have both, work flawlessly. I specifically like the sights on the slug gun, nice and big and they pull up quickly:
[img]http://picturearchive.auctionarms.com/6306183507/9533734/acf975a.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=MAC21500;30409091]
You do not want a wristbreaker shotgun. I don't know if you're a mossberg fan, but I'd suggest going with a Remington 870. The 870 Express Slug gun is excellent, so is the 870 Wingmaster; have both, work flawlessly. I specifically like the sights on the slug gun, nice and big and they pull up quickly:
[img]http://picturearchive.auctionarms.com/6306183507/9533734/acf975a.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Remington 870's are great shotguns that are cheap and reliable. You really have to fuck up to break it.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;30405318]winchester 870
do it[/QUOTE]
Never heard of a Winchester 870 before...do go on.
[QUOTE=Ridge;30415290]Never heard of a Winchester 870 before...do go on.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioIJgXTuWNk[/media]
This man knows something we don't.
As I wait for the government to send me my card in the mail amidst the Canada Post strike, I'm contemplating what gun I should get first. I took an interest in the [url=http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/rimfire/model-597/model-597.aspx]Remington 597[/url] semi-auto .22, because it's cheap, the ammo's cheap, it's one of the few semi-autos in the country that can have a larger than 5 round magazine, and I can get it on sale at Bass Pro for $180 with a scope and get a buddy to hold it until my license comes. Anyone have experience with it? It seem like a good rifle?
It does look nice in my opinion.
Could someone explain to me the process of obtaining a firearm.
Once you buy it from online auction, what is this about transferring it to an FFL? What is an FFL? What do I do after I transfer it or whatever.
Just got done talking to my dad.
Me: "I'm just saying that Trad rifles will dominate Bullpups once they go head-to-head in the field. The L85 looks like the only Bullpup that could be effective."
Dad: "The British made the L85 effective. Hell, they could make a Baseball bat effective. The Brits are tough sonsabitches"
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;30421117]Could someone explain to me the process of obtaining a firearm.
Once you buy it from online auction, what is this about transferring it to an FFL? What is an FFL? What do I do after I transfer it or whatever.[/QUOTE]
An FFL is a local gun dealer. I believe GunBroker has a page where you can put in your information and it will display dealers local to you, so the seller can ship the item to you.
Once the dealer calls you to let you know the gun has arrived, you show up, do a background check, and if you pass, you can pay the dealer's transfer fee and take your new gun home.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;30421117]Could someone explain to me the process of obtaining a firearm.
Once you buy it from online auction, what is this about transferring it to an FFL? What is an FFL? What do I do after I transfer it or whatever.[/QUOTE]
Certain states do not allow you to bring in guns from other states due to bans (i.e. California, Massachusetts, New York, Illinois etc...) so you could buy the gun and have it shipped to your local FFL, but they wont give it to you if it is banned. In some cases the guns in question must have been in your state sometime prior to the ban; sometimes if the gun is older than the ban, you can still bring it in. Its all dependent on what state you're in; In that case you'd have to actually drive to whoever is selling the gun to pick it up.
Actually the early L85 or the A1 was a piece of shit, to put it lightly. It did not earn much favor with the first testers and when it went into service it had a load of problems. jamming, dry firing and a silly magazine catch. It got so bad they they had to get HK to redo the design to make it more practical. So today it's technically a German gun with a British design.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;30420387] it's one of the few semi-autos in the country that can have a larger than 5 round magazine, [/QUOTE]
huh. No its not. All rimfire has no restrictions.
And there's other ways around centerfire semi auto restriction bullshit
I know that, but rimfires make up a minority among semi-automatic guns available, hence my saying "one of the few." I know the M1 Garand is still allowed 8 shots, and you can legally buy a 10 round pistol mag that fits an AR, but other than that AFAIK the rest are 5 rounds or illegal.
Granted, I suppose there's no clear-cut gun that is available as a "majority" of semi-auto guns, aside from maybe the AR-15, but there are far more centefire semis, to my knowledge, than rimfires.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;30434126]I know that, but rimfires make up a minority among semi-automatic guns available, hence my saying "one of the few." I know the M1 Garand is still allowed 8 shots, and you can legally buy a 10 round pistol mag that fits an AR, but other than that AFAIK the rest are 5 rounds or illegal.
Granted, I suppose there's no clear-cut gun that is available as a "majority" of semi-auto guns, aside from maybe the AR-15, but there are far more centefire semis, to my knowledge, than rimfires.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget dem pistol carbines, and 10 rnd AIA mags for M1As. And the LAR mags are compatible in most of the NATO weapons so that's nice.
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