The barrel is way too short, it's got to be a restricted for the reason on pistol classification, it would be banned under rifle classification. I know there's a few pistol mags that have 5 round caps, it may be one of them.
[editline]27th July 2011[/editline]
Just looked it up, the Skorpion was banned in a prohibition order, it's prescribed as prohibited, like so many other guns that should be legal...
[editline]27th July 2011[/editline]
Funny, Wiki says a Yugo .32 cal version is restricted, which makes no sense, and I found a CZ 91 Skorpion for sale in Canada. I don't know where these technicalities came from, but I'm not exactly going to argue.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;31368063]The barrel is way too short, it's got to be a restricted for the reason on pistol classification, it would be banned under rifle classification. I know there's a few pistol mags that have 5 round caps, it may be one of them.
[editline]27th July 2011[/editline]
Just looked it up, the Skorpion was banned in a prohibition order, it's prescribed as prohibited, like so many other guns that should be legal...
[editline]27th July 2011[/editline]
Funny, Wiki says a Yugo .32 cal version is restricted, which makes no sense, and I found a CZ 91 Skorpion for sale in Canada. I don't know where these technicalities came from, but I'm not exactly going to argue.[/QUOTE]
The .32 calibre version is banned, various stores on CGN are importing a new .380 and 9x18 version from the czechs. It's 5 rnds and its restricted.
[editline]27th July 2011[/editline]
They were also leftover 9x19 Skorps in Canada I think not sure where they came from though.
I know 9x18 ammo is hard to find, the most common thing that uses it is the Makarov, and that's banned.
Which stores, I'm not on CGN, but I'm definitely interested, if for nothing else than research purposes.
[editline]27th July 2011[/editline]
I'm not sure how they managed to get them in, though, considering the following statement in the list of banned firearms:
[url=http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/rp-eng.htm]The firearm of the design commonly known as the Skorpion Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.[/url]
Canada legal makarovs are already in production just waiting to be shipped or are in the process of.
estimated retail price of I think it was $450 and they come in 9x18 and .380.
The barrel is just a smidge longer so you get a little bulge out the end but whatever
[editline]27th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;31371811]
I'm not sure how they managed to get them in, though, considering the following statement in the list of banned firearms:
[url=http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/rp-eng.htm]The firearm of the design commonly known as the Skorpion Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.[/url][/QUOTE]
I don't know Canada's laws are convoluted and retarded
[editline]27th July 2011[/editline]
I would use the search function on CGN but the forum software they use is garbage and I don't even think search works
[editline]27th July 2011[/editline]
Found the info on the Canada legal Makarovs
"As per factory designation they are:
1. Baikal-442 9x18 Makarov coming in mid August (tentative August 10)
2. MP-71 .380ACP coming in late September
Both models are 8 rounds."
[img]http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww248/coreyh2/DSC00533.jpg[/img]
That's what they will look like. That barrel has a threaded bit on the end but just imagine it without and you get the idea.
[QUOTE=Aman VII;31355034]Handgun purchasing under federal law is 21 years of age commercial.
Second question I'm not entirely sure. I am pretty sure the receiver of the gun is considered the firearm so I'd say you could buy everything except that but don't quote me on it[/QUOTE]
Correct, if you are under 21 and without permit, you cannot buy a pistol frame (not sure about the slide though); in fact stores that sell ammo wont sell you pistol ammo even if its for a pistol caliber rifle/carbine. Depending on the state however, you can buy a pistol from a private individual and own it legally, but not be able to carry it on your person or in your vehicle loaded.
[QUOTE=stoyan377;31362193][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6BpI3xD6h0[/url]
AK47 is really more powerful and stable![/QUOTE]
Who even uses AK47's these days. Except Africans and middle eastern terrorists
[editline]28th July 2011[/editline]
North korea?
[QUOTE=MAC21500;31374355] in fact stores that sell ammo wont sell you pistol ammo even if its for a pistol caliber rifle/carbine.[/QUOTE]
That just sounds like misinformed stupid store policy.
Best not to shop at those places
Also any specific reason why they used the M16a1?
[QUOTE=WPlayer;31374357]Who even uses AK47's these days. Except Africans and middle eastern terrorists
[editline]28th July 2011[/editline]
North korea?[/QUOTE]
People who enjoy the firearms hobby.
If they weren't banned for being SCARY SCARY CALLA DOOTY I'd definitely buy one considering they are like $400 in the states.
Also that video is bullshit obviously biased to the American gun. "Durp NONE OF THE AK SHOTS HIT THE KILL ZONE" maybe it's cause you didn't adjust the sights and the guy shooting the gun couldn't aim.
The AK vs AR debate is stupid.
[QUOTE=Aman VII;31374379]People who enjoy the firearms hobby.
If they weren't banned for being SCARY SCARY CALLA DOOTY I'd definitely buy one considering they are like $400 in the states.[/QUOTE]
Same here actually. But yeah on tv it's shown as the baby killer so people will be afraid of it.
MOSIN NAGANT: a big old wooden rifle not scarrrryy
WASR 10 69: IT'S THE BABY KILLER GUN AK 47 WITH SHOULDER THING THAT GOES UP
[QUOTE=Aman VII;31374257]Canada legal makarovs are already in production just waiting to be shipped or are in the process of.
estimated retail price of I think it was $450 and they come in 9x18 and .380.
The barrel is just a smidge longer so you get a little bulge out the end but whatever
[editline]27th July 2011[/editline]
I don't know Canada's laws are convoluted and retarded
[editline]27th July 2011[/editline]
I would use the search function on CGN but the forum software they use is garbage and I don't even think search works
[editline]27th July 2011[/editline]
Found the info on the Canada legal Makarovs
"As per factory designation they are:
1. Baikal-442 9x18 Makarov coming in mid August (tentative August 10)
2. MP-71 .380ACP coming in late September
Both models are 8 rounds."
[img]http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww248/coreyh2/DSC00533.jpg[/img]
That's what they will look like. That barrel has a threaded bit on the end but just imagine it without and you get the idea.[/QUOTE]
I remember finding the Makarovs, a buddy let me use his account for a bit, but the only CZ I could find they were bringing in was the CZ 858, somehow even though it's an AK clone with a lower than legal barrel it's a restricted, and they have non restricteds as well. You sure you weren't confusing the 858 with the Skorpion?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;31375110]I remember finding the Makarovs, a buddy let me use his account for a bit, but the only CZ I could find they were bringing in was the CZ 858, somehow even though it's an AK clone with a lower than legal barrel it's a restricted, and they have non restricteds as well. You sure you weren't confusing the 858 with the Skorpion?[/QUOTE]
Huh? no.
They are completely different guns and the CZs aren't AK clones at all. More like an SKS clone mix.
And there are lots of CZ variants being imported not just the 858.
[editline]27th July 2011[/editline]
And you realize the only minimum barrel length is 4.1 inches right?
It's OAL that matters and if you go under the OAL it generally becomes a restricted firearm.
(hence how you can have a super shorty shotgun with a pistol grip and it's restricted since it's under the OAL, but if you put a full stock on it it's non restricted)
How you not know this?
[QUOTE=Aman VII;31375323]Huh? no.
They are completely different guns and the CZs aren't AK clones at all. More like an SKS clone mix.
And there are lots of CZ variants being imported not just the 858.
[editline]27th July 2011[/editline]
And you realize the only minimum barrel length is 4.1 inches right?
It's OAL that matters and if you go under the OAL it generally becomes a restricted firearm.
(hence how you can have a super shorty shotgun with a pistol grip and it's restricted since it's under the OAL, but if you put a full stock on it it's non restricted)
How you not know this?[/QUOTE]
[quote=RCMP's Website, List of Prohibited and Restricted Weapons]
The Criminal Code states that a prohibited firearm is:
a handgun with a barrel length of 105 mm or less;
a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 25 or 32 calibre ammunition;
a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make it less than 660 mm (26 inches) in overall length;
a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make the barrel length less than 457 mm (18 inches) where the overall firearm length is 660 mm (26 inches) or more;
an automatic firearm and a converted automatic firearm;
any firearm prescribed as prohibited.[/quote]
[url]http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/rp-eng.htm[/url]
There are barrel length restrictions for rifles, shotguns and handguns. There isn't really an in-between. Barrel length on a rifle/shotgun must be 18 inches unless otherwise noted, and as far as I know there's 3 exceptions for AK clones and the M16/AR-15 style.
Correction: I was looking in the Criminal code, and found out that the restrictions only exist for Sawn-offs;
[quote=The Criminal Code of Canada]“prohibited firearm” means
(a) a handgun that
(i) has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or
(ii) is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge,
but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,
(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, [B]whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration[/B], and that, [B]as so adapted[/B],
(i) is [B]less than 660 mm in length[/B], or
(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and[B] has a barrel less than 457 mm in length[/B],
(c) an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or
(d) any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm;[/quote]
[url]http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-36.html#h-37[/url]
I was always using the RCMP's website before, I didn't really properly cross-reference it until now. this explains why the M4 clones and Chiappa Mare's Legs with 12" barrels are around. You were right.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;31375703][url]http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/rp-eng.htm[/url]
There are barrel length restrictions for rifles, shotguns and handguns. There isn't really an in-between. Barrel length on a rifle/shotgun must be 18 inches unless otherwise noted, and as far as I know there's 3 exceptions for AK clones and the M16/AR-15 style.
Correction: I was looking in the Criminal code, and found out that the restrictions only exist for Sawn-offs;
[url]http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-36.html#h-37[/url]
I was always using the RCMP's website before, I didn't really properly cross-reference it until now. this explains why the M4 clones and Chiappa Mare's Legs with 12" barrels are around. You were right.[/QUOTE]
Your correction is correct.
If you personally modify it below 18" it is illegal.
If you buy an aftermarket barrel or the guns barrel just comes under 18" when you buy it it is legal.
Stupid laws are stupid but you get the idea.
[editline]27th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;31375808]what the fuck is the problem with .25 and .32???????[/QUOTE]
Their logic was that they are often used in cheap pocket handguns that criminals use. THEREFORE BY BANNING THEM CRIMINALS WON'T USE THEM ANYMORE!
Oh wait.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;31375808]what the fuck is the problem with .25 and .32???????[/QUOTE]
For one, the Liberals who made these laws though "God forbid anyone should ever use a gun for self defence!" so they banned short barrelled firearms. Then since most guns that used .25 or .32 were banned for length anyways, they banned the calibre, in hopes that stores wouldn't sell it anymore so that criminals couldn't buy it anymore. The thing is, criminals don't buy ammo from stores, you need a license to get ammo, and stores still sell the ammo because a lot of people have prohibs that fire .32 or .25, and there's a few guns they had to unban of those calibres, though I can only find .32s unbanned, not .25s, for competition shooting.
Yep, and it's taken us 15 years to get a government that people could even hope will be able to or think of repealing it.
There's also magazine caps; for some reason semi-auto rifles can only have a 5 round mag, unless it's rimfire, in which case no restriction, yet a pistol can have a 10 round mag. This stems back to the École Polytechnique shooting in '89, where the shooter used a Ruger Mini-14. They think because he owned it legally that if there'd been mag restrictions, that he wouldn't have thought to get an illegal mag, and therefore he wouldn't have been able to kill so many people. There are assloads of exceptions for this, though, including the Luger's Snail Drum mag, a pistol mag that works in AR-15s, the Mauser C96 "Broomhandle," and any belt-fed gun that existed or was of a style designed before 1945.
That sucks. To bad our politics suck down here too. Canada is starting to sound nice, even with the bat shit insane gun laws.
We've got the Tories in power right now, they're already going to repeal the long gun registry this fall, and I figure before their 4 year term is up they'll either raise magazine restrictions on rifles to 10 rounds or abolish them altogether, I figure they'll get rid of the Authorization to Transport requirement for restricteds, and they'll likely unban a lot of the guns that are banned for no reason.
I wish the FAL wasn't banned, but I know why it is now, they're apparently extremely easy to make full auto, and require no extra tools or addons for it.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;31377650]We've got the Tories in power right now, they're already going to repeal the long gun registry this fall, and I figure before their 4 year term is up they'll either raise magazine restrictions on rifles to 10 rounds or abolish them altogether, I figure they'll get rid of the Authorization to Transport requirement for restricteds, and they'll likely unban a lot of the guns that are banned for no reason.
[/QUOTE]
Dream on...
I have a large feeling its LGR and that's it.
I think they'll do it mostly to piss off the RCMP, who've been trying to ban a lot of shit themselves recently. I think the Tories may do it just to remind them it's the government who makes laws, not the police force.
That, and I heard last time they proposed scrapping the registry, they tried to get rid of a bunch of prohib classifications, so people could bring autos to the range again.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;31377650]I wish the FAL wasn't banned, but I know why it is now, they're apparently extremely easy to make full auto, and require no extra tools or addons for it.[/QUOTE]
Depends on experince. As well, it depends on what model it is, such as most FALs are easy- the OSW (airborne version) is the same as its big brother - compared to the Commonwealth versions, you will just need a simple knoweldge of guns, have a hand-book on how to dismantle the weapon, and got to know what your looking for. So its basically just about experince. Problem is, experince doesn't cut it with FALs if you got a copy of a manual from the 60s-80s on how to handle the operation, since most rifles you will find didn't change that much from the 60s era...except of course the commonwealth varients.
Its all about opinion, really. It could be easy to some, or just plain horrid to others. Truthfully, I don't think you will find FALs for civilian use for a long time. Or atleast, not where I live, that is.
They're banned up here as of 1995, I believe, and I know a lot of people who were in the army in the '80s up here were issued FALs, and they all know how it works and what to do to make it automatic.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;31378117]They're banned up here as of 1995, I believe, and I know a lot of people who were in the army in the '80s up here were issued FALs, and they all know how it works and what to do to make it automatic.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much. FAL back in the day was the AK-47 of the West, during the times of the Warsaw Pact, and the NATO days. It was perfect, really. The NATO side had their 5.56mm versions, and the Warsaw Pact had their 7.62mm versions which also work for 5.56 & 7.62mm, including even being able to take in AK-47-74 magazines, making it very universal. For the East side, that is.
Man, when you think about it...That FAL made a killing out there. Someone got rich out of the whole Iron Curtain era.
[QUOTE=The Green;31378244]Pretty much. FAL back in the day was the AK-47 of the West, during the times of the Warsaw Pact, and the NATO days. It was perfect, really. The NATO side had their 5.56mm versions, and the Warsaw Pact had their 7.62mm versions which also work for 5.56 & 7.62mm, including even being able to take in AK-47-74 magazines, making it very universal. For the East side, that is.
Man, when you think about it...That FAL made a killing out there. Someone got rich out of the whole Iron Curtain era.[/QUOTE]
Either you have no idea what you're talking about or you just aren't good at conveying what you're trying to say.
5.56 FAL? Warsaw Pact FAL? FAL able to take AK mags? What are you talking about?
The FALs I can still find circling around the dealers that sell prohibs are, if I'm not mistaken, .308 as listed on the site, and 7.62x51mm NATO as the official designation.
Yep
[QUOTE=Aman VII;31378408]Either you have no idea what you're talking about or you just aren't good at conveying what you're trying to say.
5.56 FAL? Warsaw Pact FAL? FAL able to take AK mags? What are you talking about?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, sorry. Wasn't paying attention. 4:00 am here, trying to remember what gun I was even talking about.
FAL doesn't take 5.56mm and probably won't ever, Warsaw Pact countries never used it, only NATO countries besides the US and maybe a few more. No such thing as the FAL being able to take AK magazines, I was thinking of a completly diffrent weapon. FAL uses, and always will use, 7.62x51mm [U]NATO[/U] ammunition, as far as I know. Never heard of the .308, though.
Yeah, sorry. My mind was there, but decided to go off the road and skip some stones on the roadside pond.
[QUOTE=WPlayer;31374369]Also any specific reason why they used the M16a1?[/QUOTE]
Oldest, most shot out barrel to give the AK something resembling a chance in accuracy.
Apparently the .308 Winchester is identical enough to the 7.62x51mm NATO that they can be safely interchanged.
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