• Firearms VI: Glocknades galore!
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[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;31378700]7,62 can be shot in .308win rifles, but not the other way around.[/QUOTE] Im guessing since the 7.62mm is similiar in size but slightly smaller than a .308, it works fine with it, but the .308 is too large for a 7.62mm chamber. Correct?
[quote=Wikipedia]Although very similar to the military 7.62x51mm NATO, specifications for the .308 cartridge are not identical and there are special considerations that may apply when mixing one cartridge with differently chambered arms.[5] Their interchange is considered safe by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute (SAAMI).[/quote] Apparently they can.
[url]http://ellwoodepps.com/firearms_military_rifles_1.htm[/url] Midway down the page, these guys list a FAL, an L1A1, and a Galil, all as .308 Winchester.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;31378794]It's possible, but not advisable.[/QUOTE] And not to mention the wear and tear on the weapon.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;31378700]7,62 can be shot in .308win rifles, but not the other way around.[/QUOTE] My Remington would disagree.
[quote=Ridge]My Remington would disagree. [/quote] [QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2]It's possible, but not advisable.[QUOTE=The Green;31378957]And not to mention the wear and tear on the weapon.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
I used to be issued with the FAL back before the AUG, I kinda preferred it for it's sheer power and simplicity. too many parts in an Aug and it is not as fun to fire on automatic as the FN FAL.
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Well I'm a complete fucking idiot. I purchased .22 shorts instead of longs and now have 300 rounds that are absolutely useless to me :v:
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;31390658]but uhm you can shoot 22 short in 22 long chambers[/QUOTE] That's what I thought, but whenever I go to chamber out of the mag, it jams. I'm not very knowledgeable in the way of firearms, so I'm not really the right person to figure out what's wrong. It's almost like the round is too short or something, it comes out of the mag at a 45 degree angle.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;31390740]That's what I thought, but whenever I go to chamber out of the mag, it jams. I'm not very knowledgeable in the way of firearms, so I'm not really the right person to figure out what's wrong. It's almost like the round is too short or something, it comes out of the mag at a 45 degree angle.[/QUOTE] It is because the mag is designed for .22LR, you can fire .22 Short in a .22LR gun, I've seen it done before (granted, that was a revolver). If this is a rifle you're using, what you'll need to do is chamber each round individually, you can't load a magazine with them, you'll need to put each round into the chamber separately and manually. Next time you should be absolutely sure before buying. Generally, though, most .22s chamber .22LR, I don't think I've seen a rifle in .22 Short.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;31391990]It is because the mag is designed for .22LR, you can fire .22 Short in a .22LR gun, I've seen it done before (granted, that was a revolver). If this is a rifle you're using, what you'll need to do is chamber each round individually, you can't load a magazine with them, you'll need to put each round into the chamber separately and manually. Next time you should be absolutely sure before buying. Generally, though, most .22s chamber .22LR, I don't think I've seen a rifle in .22 Short.[/QUOTE] Would help way more if the rifle was bolt action, so then loading in a .22SR is less of a hassle, in my opinion. I don't want to open my slide for a semi-auto constantly for .22SR, heh. Well, look on the bright side... .22SR is cheap compared to other ammunition types. That would be a very costly mistake. As well, has anyone seen those new russian pistols? They say they are more reliable than a PM Makarov, accurate, holds a good amount of 17 9x19mm makarov ammunition, and low recoil. I want to try those. I think the name is Yaryginpya or something. The MP-443 Grach. Sadly, its still a new pistol, and most likely will be a long time until they leak out of the Russian government.
Yarygin PYa, MP-443 Grach you mean? Also, 9x19mm is Luger/Parabellum, 9x18mm is Makarov. The Grach chambers 9x19mm. Also, I could get one of the variants, the 446 Viking, here in Canada already.
[QUOTE=The Green;31398383]Would help way more if the rifle was bolt action, so then loading in a .22SR is less of a hassle, in my opinion. I don't want to open my slide for a semi-auto constantly for .22SR, heh. Well, look on the bright side... .22SR is cheap compared to other ammunition types. That would be a very costly mistake. As well, has anyone seen those new russian pistols? They say they are more reliable than a PM Makarov, accurate, holds a good amount of 17 9x19mm makarov ammunition, and low recoil. I want to try those. I think the name is Yaryginpya or something. The MP-443 Grach. Sadly, its still a new pistol, and most likely will be a long time until they leak out of the Russian government.[/QUOTE] It IS bolt action, it's the newest Marlin .22 I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. I'll load the five-round magazine, slide it in, and then try and put a cartridge in the chamber with the bolt. The first cartridge will go in, I'll pull back the bolt again, and the first cartridge goes flying but the second cartridge jams everything up! It's infuriating!
They're too short to work properly in a .22LR mag, don't load the mag up, you've now got to treat it like a single shot if you want to load .22S into it, you personally have to put each round into the chamber, then close the bolt onto it. The gun should work fine from there, albeit slower than you probably want. 525 rounds if .22LR is only about $20 if you want the (I believe) proper ammo for your gun.
The mags are designed for .22lr. As are the feed ramps, probably.
My little bro's leaver action runs fine on .22 short. Good thing is we can 25 rounds in the mag, only 15 with the .22 long
Chiappa makes some "Mare's Leg" levers in .45 Long Colt. The "Mare's Leg" is a term that has come to mean a sawed-off Winchester 1892. The reason these Chiappas are legal, but the original wouldn't be, is because the reproductions were manufactured this way, whereas the original was modified by sawing-off the barrel, a practice illegal here now.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;31407321]I don't even understand why someone would want a lever action not in .444 or .45-70[/QUOTE] For cheap fun shooting silly.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;31414531]Give me three reasons lever actions are better than a bolt or semi.[/QUOTE] I can give you one good one: Because they're sexy. Seriously, racking up a lever action is so much fun in my opinion, and they look great.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;31414531]Give me three reasons lever actions are better than a bolt or semi.[/QUOTE] It's like asking why a refrigerator is better than a microwave or a dishwasher. They work differently, for different purposes.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;31414531]Give me three reasons lever actions are better than a bolt or semi.[/QUOTE] Along with ewitwins reason, you can do an Arnie and flip it to chamber (although I wouldn't ever do that).
[QUOTE=cardfan212;31418566]Along with ewitwins reason, you can do an Arnie and flip it to chamber (although I wouldn't ever do that).[/QUOTE] Heh. Pull a Spaghetti western, eh? I seen that kind of move. Guy is riding a horse, fires off a round, hits a baddy, baddy's partner turns around and is drawing his revolver, rider flips his repeater while his hand is still in the grooving of the lever to make it chamber a round in, and fires it at him with one hand. Would love to try it out and see if it actually works without it backfiring or just jamming in the process. But I have to agree. If you just want "honest fun shooting" feel with a lever action, why get one that only does .22? It has no recoil, no feeling. Just go get one that shoots the old .4 series ones, like .44 rifle, or even like Prussel said. Hell, I am sure there might be ones that have cheaper and smaller bullets for them and still gives that "lever action rifle feeling."
[QUOTE=The Green;31420111]Heh. Pull a Spaghetti western, eh? I seen that kind of move. Guy is riding a horse, fires off a round, hits a baddy, baddy's partner turns around and is drawing his revolver, rider flips his repeater while his hand is still in the grooving of the lever to make it chamber a round in, and fires it at him with one hand. Would love to try it out and see if it actually works without it backfiring or just jamming in the process. But I have to agree. If you just want "honest fun shooting" feel with a lever action, why get one that only does .22? It has no recoil, no feeling. Just go get one that shoots the old .4 series ones, like .44 rifle, or even like Prussel said. Hell, I am sure there might be ones that have cheaper and smaller bullets for them and still gives that "lever action rifle feeling."[/QUOTE] Because if you are looking for true wild west lever-action rifle in the old calibers, you'll be spending an arm and a leg for the gun and the ammo. A 44mag rifle is also expensive to shoot. Stick with the 22lr versions. It's cheaper to keep shooting.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;31420354]Only acceptable "western" weapon is the Colt Dragoon.[/QUOTE] WHAT. The one western weapon that I have desperately searched for weeks on end for is a top-break revolver. Apparently they're quite useful because of the ejection-action, and the fact that break-ANYTHING is oodles of fun.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;31420354]Only acceptable "western" weapon is the Colt Dragoon.[/QUOTE] Derringer? Colt 1851 Navy? Colt Peacemaker? Any of the old Winchester or Remington lever actions? Henry lever actions? Sharps rifles, arguably some of the first sniper rifles? None of these western-style guns hold any merit to you? None of the guns on [url=http://ellwoodepps.com/firearms_antiques_all_1.htm]this page of antiques[/url] hold any merit to you in comparison to the Colt Dragoon? None of [url=http://ellwoodepps.com/firearms_used_rifles_lever_1.htm]these lever actions, most of them antiques, but not classified as such under Canadian law[/url] hold any merit either?
Now that I think about it, do you guys know the names of any of the really nice top-break revolvers? I'd love one.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;31414531]Give me three reasons lever actions are better than a bolt or semi.[/QUOTE] 3 Back to the Futures. [img]http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/d/d9/BTTF3_011.jpg[/img]
It looks like the lever is on his tongue...
What weapon could I buy for protection in california at 18. Something more advanced than a pistol for the hell of it.
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