Pictures Of You: February edtion V2: People aren't satisfied with title names.
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[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;45088485]It's a damn good thing that all the men and women who participated in World Wars one and two didn't have that cowardly and stupid mindset or you wouldn't have the privilege to belong to an independent nation today.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, force everyone in a country to fight for it regardless how they feel about it and it's citizens,
no really, who cares about freedom to choose if you want to risk your life or not.
[QUOTE=Fosax;45089629]Oh yes, force everyone in a country to fight for it regardless how they feel about it and it's citizens,
no really, who cares about freedom to choose if you want to risk your life or not.[/QUOTE]
I guess giving your citizens the freedom to choose absolute domination and oppressive rule is a pretty good idea. Sometimes people don't know what's best for themselves and that is why conscription exists. If the allied nations didn't fight the Nazi's the world would be a disaster and people would be wondering 'why didn't we do something when we had the chance'.
Fuck dude, you're Brazilian(or at least you flagdog says so). If your ancestors hadn't fought for independence, you wouldn't even [I]be[/I] Brazilian right now, you would instead be a slave to your Portuguese overlords.
[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;45089732]I guess giving your citizens the freedom to choose absolute domination and oppressive rule is a pretty good idea. Sometimes people don't know what's best for themselves and that is why conscription exists. If the allied nations didn't fight the Nazi's the world would be a disaster and people would be wondering 'why didn't we do something when we had the chance'.
Fuck dude, you're Brazilian(or at least you flagdog says so). If your ancestors hadn't fought for independence, you wouldn't even [I]be[/I] Brazilian right now, you would instead be a slave to your Portuguese overlords.[/QUOTE]
First, my ancestors didn't fight for shit when it comes to Brazil because my family is fairly new to the country (both my dad's parents came from Spain, my mom's father moved to Brazil from Germany when he turned 18 to escape conscription).
With the personal stuff aside, there was no fight for independence in Brazil, it literally happened because the king fled from Portugal to Brazil because of napoleon, after a generation his family went back there but he left his son here, under pressure from the high society he signed the country's independece.
There was no fighting involved, it was all politics, the only fighting that ever happened between Portuguese troops and Brazilians were unorganized rebels that never amounted to anything.
In today's society, conscription is beyond crazy, you're comparing WWI and WWII to today which is just wrong. The problems that amounted to wars in the past aren't the same as they are today.
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In today's society, conscription is beyond crazy, you're comparing WWI and WWII to today which is just wrong. The problems that amounted to wars in the past aren't the same as they are today.[/QUOTE]
Not at all. The world is more or less at peace with the exception of a handful middle east shit holes. Conscription in places like Switzerland and Singapore and such is a good thing. It puts people into a healthy physical condition that they can easily maintain and it helps people find direction in life. It helps develop job skills that people can use elsewhere and military service always looks good on a resume'.
Why free training is considered a bad thing is beyond me.
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Plus, in the extreme off chance that your country does have to fight a war for it or humanity's survival, it's got a populace that's military trained and can easily be put into service.
Furthermore, man countries with conscription will allow you to bypass military service and just do pacifistic civic duties instead.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45089936]Why free training is considered a bad thing is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
Because for some reason people seem to think that military = fighting and death and don't think of all the positives that come out of it.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;45089950]Because for some reason people seem to think that military = fighting and death and don't think of all the positives that come out of it.[/QUOTE]
You're still being forced to to something you don't want to, good or not.
People should be free to live and treat themselves like shit if they want to, that's their own judgement and they're the ones being punished by doing so.
[QUOTE=Fosax;45089958]You're still being forced to to something you don't want to, good or not.
People should be free to live and treat themselves like shit if they want to, that's their own judgement and they're the ones being punished by doing so.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45089936]Plus, in the extreme off chance that your country does have to fight a war for it or humanity's survival, it's got a populace that's military trained and can easily be put into service.
[B]Furthermore, man countries with conscription will allow you to bypass military service and just do pacifistic civic duties instead.[/B][/QUOTE]
Besides, why would you not want to? Only reason i can think of why is because people are lazy pieces of shit that don't like hard work. You get into shape, you train for jobs, you make friends, you get paid to do it (i'm pretty sure), i can literally think of no downsides of why you shouldn't do it in a time of peace.
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And hell, some countries let you keep your service rifle iirc.
I don't exactly see what's funny about it.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;45089974]Besides, why would you not want to? Only reason i can think of why is because people are lazy pieces of shit that don't like hard work. [b]You get into shape, you train for jobs, you make friends, you get paid to do it (i'm pretty sure)[/b], i can literally think of no downsides of why you shouldn't do it in a time of peace.
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And hell, some countries let you keep your service rifle iirc.[/QUOTE]
If you're in a developed country where things work, then sure go ahead, if you're in a piece of shit country like Brazil, specially in a small town, conscription is the worst thing ever, here's how things happen over here:
First, you're treated like shit by basically everyone, your superiors, your comrades, EVERYONE.
Second, you don't get any real skills, conscription here usually means you'll spend your whole day sitting around guarding a small "base", when not doing so, you're just being yelled at.
Third, you're not paid at all, and if you study you HAVE to drop your studies to do it, people that work have a chance of getting out of it, but only if this work is necessary for the family's income.
And of all the people that i've known that didn't find a way to escape conscription, the one's that weren't in shape to begin with, didn't get into shape at all, everything here is so sloppy and terrible and unorganized that conscription is basically torture.
[QUOTE=Trekintosh;45089191]Honestly conscription is probably a good way to increase your population's physical condition.[/QUOTE]
it's also barbaric
[QUOTE=Fosax;45090006]If you're in a developed country where things work, then sure go ahead, if you're in a piece of shit country like Brazil, specially in a small town, conscription is the worst thing ever, here's how things happen over here:
First, you're treated like shit by basically everyone, your superiors, your comrades, EVERYONE.
Second, you don't get any real skills, conscription here usually means you'll spend your whole day sitting around guarding a small "base", when not doing so, you're just being yelled at.
Third, you're not paid at all, and if you study you HAVE to drop your studies to do it, people that work have a chance of getting out of it, but only if this work is necessary for the family's income.
And of all the people that i've known that didn't find a way to escape conscription, the one's that weren't in shape to begin with, didn't get into shape at all, everything here is so sloppy and terrible and unorganized that conscription is basically torture.[/QUOTE]
the issues you take with conscription are more issues with your country and your government as a whole. The Swiss have conscription and I don't see to many complaints about it.
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[QUOTE=Rusty100;45090062]it's also barbaric[/QUOTE]
no way man, every country needs a bonafide and well trained group of mass murderers.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;45089974]Only reason i can think of why is because people are lazy pieces of shit that don't like hard work[/QUOTE]
says the guy who literally can't fit in his jeans and says there's nothing that can be done about it lol
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45090086]says the guy who literally can't fit in his jeans and says there's nothing that can be done about it lol[/QUOTE]
Oh wow, did you really just go there? I didn't realize not being able to fit into jeans automatically made me a lazy piece of shit. I didn't realize that it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that i'm built like a brick and i don't have a lot of money for new clothes right now. Circumstances i can't fix immediately. Also that was a post from like a month ago, why are you even bringing it up.
Good job, you're a colossal douchebag.
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Besides, i haven't seen you be brave enough to post a picture here, let's see what you look like so we can pick it apart, hm?
might want to put some ice on that burn
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you're calling people in general lazy pieces of shit so he can call you one too
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45090115]might want to put some ice on that burn
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you're calling everyone lazy pieces of shit so he can call you one too[/QUOTE]
I'm not calling anyone here a lazy piece of shit, it was the only reason i could come up with. Good reading comprehension skills.
Imagine getting into an argument over conscription in a thread about posting pictures of yourself.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45090077]the issues you take with conscription are more issues with your country and your government as a whole. The Swiss have conscription and I don't see to many complaints about it.
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no way man, every country needs a bonafide and well trained group of mass murderers.[/QUOTE]
We have conscription and I actually had to do my service. However it's rather easy to drop out of the list. If you're not fit for it you have to work for either civil protection or civil service for a little longer than you'd spend time in the military.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;45090126]I'm not calling anyone here a lazy piece of shit, it was the only reason i could come up with. Good reading comprehension skills.[/QUOTE]
"wow u dont want to be conscripted you must be a lazy piece of shit and no other reason"
if im getting you right
stop repeating phrases like "i realize" and "i didn't know" you make yourself look like an idiot but in reality you're just being stubborn
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[QUOTE=Rusty100;45090062]it's also barbaric[/QUOTE]
i wouldn't go as far as to say that
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45090164]"wow u dont want to be conscripted you must be a lazy piece of shit and no other reason"
if im getting you right
stop repeating phrases like "i realize" and "i didn't know" you make yourself look like an idiot but in reality you're just being stubborn[/QUOTE]
Conscription promotes discipline and purpose, while suppressing complacency and arrogance, which is necessary to the growth of a young adult.
Without discipline (which admittedly can be achieved without the use of conscription itself) a young Western adult usually loses direction in life, and becomes susceptible to irrelevant subcultures, in addition to being heavily entrenched in the belief that the society and world he lives in must at all times cater to him and others like him.
Discovering the meaning of hardships and unfairness at an early age becomes useful in life, as a person who has never known either can not rationally appreciate good fortune nor effectively combat unfairness or hardship itself. People who argue against conscription with pacifistic slogans and idealistic arguments (i.e, it's barbaric, people shouldnt be forced to do what they dont want to do, etc.) tend to miss the bigger picture.
In addition to building character, well-implemented conscription also gives people a set of useful skills they could use later in life should they so choose. And contrary to oppositionists, those skills don't boil down to "how 2 fire a gun" whatsoever. The scope and broadness of the useful effects of conscription on society cannot be overlooked for the sake of idealistic 'its imposing' arguments.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45090077]the issues you take with conscription are more issues with your country and your government as a whole. The Swiss have conscription and I don't see to many complaints about it.[/QUOTE]
Those are not the reasons i dislike conscription, i pointed out before that the reason i dislike it is that you're forced to do something you don't want to, for the good of basically no one.
What i said in the post you quoted in particular was just a response to his points as to why conscription is good.
Making that clear, this will be the last post I'll make regarding this topic because this isn't SH and this isn't the point of the thread.
And since I contributed into derailing the thread, here's a picture i took yesterday after getting a haircut
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And no Rusty, I won't shave, we've been trough this before.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;45090110] I didn't realize that it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that i'm built like a brick[/QUOTE]
damn genetics!
ive always dreamt of becoming a brick one day
[QUOTE=Melnek;45090211]Conscription promotes discipline and purpose, while suppressing complacency and arrogance, which is necessary to the growth of a young adult.
Without discipline (which admittedly can be achieved without the use of conscription itself) a young Western adult usually loses direction in life, and becomes susceptible to irrelevant subcultures, in addition to being heavily entrenched in the belief that the society and world he lives in must at all times cater to him and others like him.
Discovering the meaning of hardships and unfairness at an early age becomes useful in life, as a person who has never known either can not rationally appreciate good fortune nor effectively combat unfairness or hardship itself. People who argue against conscription with pacifistic slogans and idealistic arguments (i.e, it's barbaric, people shouldnt be forced to do what they dont want to do, etc.) tend to miss the bigger picture.
In addition to building character, well-implemented conscription also gives people a set of useful skills they could use later in life should they so choose. And contrary to oppositionists, those skills don't boil down to "how 2 fire a gun" whatsoever. The scope and broadness of the useful effects of conscription on society cannot be overlooked for the sake of idealistic 'its imposing' arguments.[/QUOTE]
isn't this what parents are for, what about the kids that were already raised well and don't want to serve? fuck them they have to join the army against their will?
if you feel the need you need to be more disciplined, have experience, or serve your country then by all means [B]volunteer[/B] for the military! my brother's currently in the army, i've been thinking about it, people have different life plans. if you want to live a shit completely undisciplined life then that's your prerogative, it's better to have choices (which is all part of discipline and growing up!!)
all im saying is that unless it's fucking ww3 no one should be forced to the join the military under penalty of law
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So we're uploadings pictures of ourselves for no reason right guys?
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Random picture of me from last month.
Here's me when I had my sharpie hair
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[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;45089974]Besides, why would you not want to? Only reason i can think of why is because people are lazy pieces of shit that don't like hard work. You get into shape, you train for jobs, you make friends, you get paid to do it (i'm pretty sure), i can literally think of no downsides of why you shouldn't do it in a time of peace.
[editline]12th June 2014[/editline]
And hell, some countries let you keep your service rifle iirc.[/QUOTE]
maybe people have other things in mind that they want to be doing with their lives? :v:
I know being conscripted would be a huge kick in the teeth for me I'm fucking busy
Dudes, the biggest problem with conscription is the fucking shit pay (I'm being paid $480 per month, Sergeants get like $800 and Officers get like $1000) and the fucking long time you spend being conscripted as a soldier/police officer/fireman.
I'm pretty sure alot more people would enjoy conscription If it was alot shorter. Its 2 years here man, and the women are all halfway through university by the time you come out of conscription.
Also, conscription is good for people who just do nothing/have shit qualifications because they can always sign on as a regular. They get free education, a lump sum (like $20 000 here) and free healthcare, etc.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;45090426]Here's me when I had my sharpie hair
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L?
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45090164]i wouldn't go as far as to say that[/QUOTE]
i would. it's forcing people into joining something even if they don't want to do it and stealing away a year (?) of their lives. it is one of the most despicable things I can think of.
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the only people in the military should be the people that want to be there.
[QUOTE=absolalone111;45090525]L?[/QUOTE]
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