[QUOTE=HeatPipe;27221448]you can get high of those without dying, not kidding.[/QUOTE]
I like liver damage and I can not lie, you other brothers can't deny
[QUOTE=Plectophera;27221820]I like liver damage and I can not lie, you other brothers can't deny[/QUOTE]
dude, every drug is fatal if you fatal overdose on it. this one is no exception.
[quote]ok you count dissociatives and deliriants as psychedelics.[/quote]
and rightly too, no? to say nothing of the inclusion of cannabinoids as psychedelics.
[quote]I counted nexus as 2c-b and 2c-i and not others. I am aware 2c-e is very powerful, so i counted only those two. those two i counted are easy to handle.[/quote]
from erowid:
[quote]Many users do not enjoy the effects of 2C-B because of its unpleasant body effects or 'body load'. Unpleasant stomach effects, gastro-intestinal distress (diarrhea, cramps & gas) are not uncommon.[/quote]
admittedly though, you did indeed only say 2c-b and 2-c-i though.
[quote]as you said almost all psychedelics are safe to use. Really? first, only serotonin acting are physically safe, but not mentally. Dissociative are addictive and can be harmful if addicted to it. Deliriants? I wouldn't put my hand on it.[/quote]
true, i was only considering physical harm. it sounds like you meant that though with 'safe to [I]use[/I]', but whatever that's only pedantry.[/quote]
[quote]oh and, why should it be easy to obtain? because you may spend useless time searching for drug almost unknown to dealers or people you know and live with. It's not like first time will go to dealer and get his hands filled with mescaline. no problem with mescaline being first time psychedelic, but it's unlikely to happen to OP.[/quote]
sure, i agree, but there's no reason that a 'it must be easy to obtain' should be included in a list of musts for a first psychedelic.
Every psychedelic can produce body load, including cannabis. For me, 2C-I wasn't bad at all, although LSD was better, and MDMA produced virtually no body load.
Cannabis indeed is psychedelic, and fucking strong one. But op tried it so I didn't even thought about it. (aka i missed it)
Now, maybe my post made psychedelics sound like dangerous shit, but that is just in case of idiot use and/or overdose. Happened to me once, no fun.
Well, easy to obtain rule, it's not necessary, but it's good. Let's not confuse beginners or something? My first psyche was 2C-I and also for others people that know it, but only them know what is it and no one else.
So, their first time psychedelic being 2C-I was an actual luck and not something they searched for. And if you wonder why 2C-I was my first time psyche, I was quite and still am internet lurker, and local drug market was shitty 2 years ago,
aka I didn't knew anyone that could provide me with good psyche so I ordered 2C-I. Which was still quite an unlikely occurrence for beginner.
Well I think I told everything for this thread, now I am going off, good night.
[QUOTE=Anubis678;26663180]You are one dumb motherfucker, you know that?
Shut the fuck up and lurk more.[/QUOTE]
I find this post hilariously funny because Anarchist is a 06'er and never posts, so one can only assume is that he only lurks to begin with.
[QUOTE=Gods Hand;27219937]OP, if you take shrooms, a small [b]dose[/b] LSD, or some [b]2C-B[/b] and your mindset is ok you will [b]definitely[/b] have a blast.[/QUOTE]
1. A small dose of LSD will be boring. Anything under 250µg is a waste of time, money, and LSD.
2. "2C-B" not "2-CB"
3. A good trip is not guaranteed. Mindset means fuck-all if set & setting aren't appropriate.
[QUOTE=Gods Hand;27219937]MDMA, speed etc aren't psychedelics, psychedelics make you trip[/QUOTE]
MDMA is a psychedelic empathogen. You don't necessarily "trip" on it, but there are certainly psychedelic effects to it.
[QUOTE=Gods Hand;27219937]By the way I completely support anarchist on the whole DMT/acid thing. DMT literally shoots you into another dimension, while acid only manipulates your surroundings.[/QUOTE]
I want you to go ahead and file that under "Shit I Already Know"
[QUOTE=Gods Hand;27219937]since almost none of them can harm you! A lot of them are natural! They aren't bad for your body! Not one single bit![/QUOTE]
Please get the fuck out before you kill someone.
[QUOTE=Gods Hand;27219937]DMT just makes you trip in a very different way, and actually always delivers a message to the person taking it, though you could see things you don't want to see while you're out there.[/QUOTE]
DMT is NOT a good starter psychedelic. End of fucking discussion.
[QUOTE=HeatPipe;27221246]DMT first time psychedelic? What the fuck?? Why not 25B-NBOMe? If you don't get a hint it's impossible to find it for first time use, use it properly, and making sense of trip.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. +Respect (if this were GC)
[QUOTE=Pome;27221336]and why must the first psychedelic be easily obtainable?[/QUOTE]
Exactly what are the odds of a drug rookie (such as the OP) finding a reliable connection for DMT...?
[QUOTE=Pome;27221336]and, 'nexus', or the 2c-* series isn't particularly easy to handle - body load is purportedly very high on several members in that series.[/QUOTE]
Less so with 2C-B and 2C-T-7, from what I've heard. I would not recommend 2C-E, 2C-I, or 2C-T-2 (the ones I've done) to any rookie trippers.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;27225469]I find this post hilariously funny because Anarchist is a 06'er and never posts, so one can only assume is that he only lurks to begin with.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, a lurker who doesn't know shit about the subforum community that he's posting in. Makes perfect sense :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=HeatPipe;27221448]ok you count dissociatives and deliriants as psychedelics.[/QUOTE]
I would not count dissociatives or deliriants as psychedelics, nor would I ever recommend them.
[QUOTE=HeatPipe;27221448]you can get high of those without dying, not kidding.[/QUOTE]
Haha, I'd hardly call the Amanita experience a "high"
[QUOTE=Pome;27222022]and rightly too, no? to say nothing of the inclusion of cannabinoids as psychedelics.[/quote]
Dissociatives and deliriants are, [b]by definition[/b], not psychedelics. They can have psychedelic properties, but a dissociative is a dissociative and a deliriant is a deliriant. I would also not classify cannabinoids as psychedelics.
[QUOTE=HeatPipe;27222334]Every psychedelic can produce body load, including cannabis. For me, 2C-I wasn't bad at all, although LSD was better, and MDMA produced virtually no body load.[/QUOTE]
The "body load" I've experienced on marijuana and shrooms was nothing more than feeling heavily sedated. I wouldn't call it a body load. I definitely experienced nothing of the sort on LSD or MDMA.
The body load I've experienced on the 2Cs is very, very uncomfortable and usually accompanied with mild-to-moderate nausea and cramping. Not nearly as bad as with LSA, but close. LSA probably has the worst body load out of any drug I've done.
[QUOTE=HeatPipe;27222334]Cannabis indeed is psychedelic, and fucking strong one. But op tried it so I didn't even thought about it. (aka i missed it)
[/QUOTE]
Again, I disagree. It has minor psychedelic properties, but I would not call it a psychedelic and I definitely wouldn't say it's a strong one.
Anubis, why do you think LSD would be pointless under 250mcg? You can have amazing experiences on one tab.
I disagree. One tab would leave me wishing I took a few more.
Me, I just like to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Yeah, I felt that way with one tab too. Wasn't wasted, but not as good as acid seems to be advertised (lol).
Next time 3 hits, what can go wrong?
[QUOTE=Anubis678;27238979]I would not count dissociatives or deliriants as psychedelics, nor would I ever recommend them.
[/QUOTE]
Why not recommend them? They are amazing, but a dissociative like ketamine is known to be either loved or hated (I LOVE ketamine, but then again everything in my head is a bit crazy already).
Would you not recommend them because you don't like em, or do you have a different reason why nobody should do them?
Also: Thanks for enlightening me. Are you god?
I wouldn't recommend them because, unlike psychedelics, they are harmful drugs. As far as I know, there has not been any conclusive evidence linking the use of ketamine or dextromethorphan to brain damage, but both are known to be addicting and thought to be physically damaging in some way. We don't even need to address PCP (though I, myself, wouldn't mind trying it just once).
As for deliriants...
[QUOTE=Anubis678;27254138]I disagree. One tab would leave me wishing I took a few more.
Me, I just like to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.[/QUOTE]
I guess the first time I tried it the tab must of been pretty decent, since I had the time of my life, it was a spectacular trip.
honestly, the thing OP is really looking for is MDMA anyway. they dont want a psychedelic, they want a new kind of high. MDMA will definitely give them that, while being very easy to find.
[QUOTE=Anubis678;27261426]I wouldn't recommend them because, unlike psychedelics, they are harmful drugs. As far as I know, there has not been any conclusive evidence linking the use of ketamine or dextromethorphan to brain damage, but both are known to be addicting and thought to be physically damaging in some way. We don't even need to address PCP (though I, myself, wouldn't mind trying it just once).
As for deliriants...[/QUOTE]
As you said, not proven harmful to the brain. That's the only reason I watch out with ketamine, because the negative effects haven't been fully researched.
The addiction, it's just all in your mind with keta. Though some experts call it psychedelic heroine.
As for PCP, maybe, just maybe I'd give it a shot once since I've read a lot of reports about it, it's a dissociative and I love ketamine.
Why I'd not do it? It literally kills your fucking brains...
[QUOTE=Bradmastah;26791467]Because :argh: = OH MY GOD I AM SO ANGRY RIGHT NOW[/QUOTE]
Well, you said it. Not that that's what [i]I[/i] said, but I suppose that's what it means.
Try some LSA. I had 11 seeds of HBWR and found it to be like a more euphoric LSD with almostno wall bulging/warping, but a the other visual effects (like hue shifting) were still there.
It has a slight anesthetic feeling over your whole body which is really relaxing, but watch out for the nausea that can occur (not that I got sick, but friends did).
[QUOTE=Gods Hand;27276354]As you said, not proven harmful to the brain. That's the only reason I watch out with ketamine, because the negative effects haven't been fully researched.
The addiction, it's just all in your mind with keta. Though some experts call it psychedelic heroine.
As for PCP, maybe, just maybe I'd give it a shot once since I've read a lot of reports about it, it's a dissociative and I love ketamine.
Why I'd not do it? It literally kills your fucking brains...[/QUOTE]
I'm thinking once or twice around with angel dust won't do too much harm.
[editline]8th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lenni;27277033]Well, you said it. Not that that's what [i]I[/i] said, but I suppose that's what it means.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lenni;26688237]Shouldn't it annoy you more that you actually allow yourself to get ticked off by a word?[/QUOTE]
Hm...
[editline]8th January 2011[/editline]
Hahaha what?
LSA is more of a deliriant than a psychedelic. The body load is worse than that of the 2Cs. Nausea, cramping, restlessness persists through the entire experience. The inability to get comfortable and the feeling of being physically sick the entire time takes away from the experience. Not to mention there is almost always a complete lack of euphoria and mood lift, and the mental effects are more disorienting than anything else.
13 HBWR had me slipping in and out of reality for a solid 8 hours, tired but unable to fall asleep, writhing in physical discomfort, longing for death as a release.
That sounds pretty horrible
It was horrible.
The only time I've ever considered suicide as a means of escaping the effects of a drug.
Mind you, I was quite delirious, so it wasn't a serious consideration, lol
I remember walking through my house and consistently forgetting who I was and where I was.
LSD.
Shrooms are way too unpredictable on the dosage and it's alot more twisted than an Acid trip.
Here's a breakdown of the big three:
LSD: Intellectual trip
Shrooms: Spiritual trip
Mescaline: Emotional trip
[QUOTE=Anubis678;27308818]It was horrible.
The only time I've ever considered suicide as a means of escaping the effects of a drug.
Mind you, I was quite delirious, so it wasn't a serious consideration, lol
I remember walking through my house and consistently forgetting who I was and where I was.[/QUOTE]
Wow fuck, that sounds really bad...
did you OD or what was the cause?
[editline]10th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Anubis678;27308976]Here's a breakdown of the big three:
LSD: Intellectual trip
Shrooms: Spiritual trip
Mescaline: Emotional trip[/QUOTE]
In your opinion, which is best?
[QUOTE=anarchist;26663750]You realise that the Sumarian's worshiped the pineal gland? (not to mention many other religions of today)..
The pineal gland is also known as the 3rd eye. If you unlock it through meditation you are able to astral project (out of body) and many other amazing things (The Sumarian's realised this).... The pineal gland stays dormant in most people of today because we've been dumbed down with TV, and also roumers that floride damaging it aswell!
The pineal gland releases DMT when you are born, just before you die and while your dreaming...... Also there is something suspicious about why they do not teach us about DMT or the pineal gland in school while they are teaching us about heroin and crack for fuck sake.
[editline]13th December 2010[/editline]
[b]Stop being a cock.[/b][/QUOTE]
You gave me a very good laugh
Tribes and spiritual motherfuckers, holy shit what? :v:
Hahahah why do you trouble your thoughts with so much unnecessary bullshit that no one gives a shit about.
[b]Edit[/b] Oh this the 3rd page, we pass that? God damnit
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;27324725]You gave me a very good laugh
Tribes and spiritual motherfuckers, holy shit what? :v:
Hahahah why do you trouble your thoughts with so much unnecessary bullshit that no one gives a shit about.
[B]Edit[/B] Oh this the 3rd page, we pass that? God damnit[/QUOTE]
Seriously man, in that post anarchist perfectly explained a part of DMT's background. Please try it out before just laughing at it...
Also, why reply when you don't fucking care? Comes close to trolling if you ask me
LSA isn't that bad anubis.
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;27324447]Wow fuck, that sounds really bad...
did you OD or what was the cause?[/QUOTE]
No, I was just a fucking arrogant idiot and took a heroic dose of some very potent seeds.
None of my friends enjoyed it either, and they never exceeded 6-7 seeds. I was a dumbass for thinking I could handle 13. It was just overwhelming.
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;27324447]In your opinion, which is best?[/QUOTE]
Having only done LSD and Shrooms (though 2C-T-2 is said to be fairly close to Mescaline in effects), I would say that LSD is definitely my favorite, but I wouldn't say that one is better than the others. It all depends on what you're looking for from the trip.
[editline]10th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=steven688;27330395]LSA isn't that bad anubis.[/QUOTE]
My 8+ experiences with it have shown me otherwise.
Just combine all three and prepare for trip of your life.
I would if I could
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