Manuva is undoubtedly one of the true great British rap and dub artists. I remember hearing witness (1 hope) ages back, it was the first real british rapping I'd been exposed to
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A great example of Manuva, as well as Mr.Scruff, one of my favourite DJs
the older rap (1980-2000) is the only rap that i like. the newer rap is basically all about bitches, money, hoes, smoke 420 erry day, bitches, money, cars, killing people, money, asses, and did i mention bitches?
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i don't mean all of it though
[QUOTE=Shortyish;27269126]the older rap (1980-2000) is the only rap that i like. the newer rap is basically all about bitches, money, hoes, smoke 420 erry day, bitches, money, cars, killing people, money, asses, and did i mention bitches?
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i don't mean all of it though[/QUOTE]
That is a rash thing to say, prepare to be chewed out by a large group of Hip-hop afficionados over that comment.
[QUOTE=Shortyish;27269126]the older rap (1980-2000) is the only rap that i like. the newer rap is basically all about bitches, money, hoes, smoke 420 erry day, bitches, money, cars, killing people, money, asses, and did i mention bitches?
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i don't mean all of it though[/QUOTE]
No, you just suck at finding good rap then. :v:
The golden age is probably my favorite single era of hip-hop. It also included some of my favorite rappers.
Big Daddy Kane:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHBEcob2RIw[/media]
DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VvI_odolPw[/media]
MC Lyte (Warning, female)
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcqIz9FFEQQ[/media]
On another note, where would the members of All-City Chess Club fall in these categories?
What about Wiz, he's getting radio play now with Black and Yellow.
I really liked most of his album, and started listening to him a lot more when he did How Fly with Curren$y
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqlOT2JAmEY[/media]
Also, Breathe by Fabolous for the 2000s.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLdKmQ1g4YE[/media]
I think, personally, Wiz is more charismatic than talented.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27269171]That is a rash thing to say, prepare to be chewed out by a large group of Hip-hop afficionados over that comment.[/QUOTE]
I'm just shedding a single tear
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27265146]This has got me thinking, are there any actual plain old british Hip-Hop acts? The only British artists I see are always classified as grime[/QUOTE]
Slick Rick, sort of.
aaay I wish a muthafucka wouuuuld
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p309p4Casac[/media]
[QUOTE=Shortyish;27269126]the older rap (1980-2000) is the only rap that i like. the newer rap is basically all about bitches, money, hoes, smoke 420 erry day, bitches, money, cars, killing people, money, asses, and did i mention bitches?
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i don't mean all of it though[/QUOTE]
so are you saying rap in the period you like wasn't about that
[QUOTE=James*;27282444]so are you saying rap in the period you like wasn't about that[/QUOTE]
well the older rap like the sugarhill gang wasn't really about anything. I'm a A level literature critic, and I'm unable to analyse what a "bang bang boogy say upchuck the boogy, to the the rhythm of the boogity beat" is.
As hip-hop matured, it became more important to convey a message, and whether it's a socially conscious message, a homophobic gang-tied message, or 'I want to get high, so high' like Cypress Hill, they're all important in their own way.
It's all good though
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27284990]well the older rap like the sugarhill gang wasn't really about anything. I'm a A level literature critic, and I'm unable to analyse what a "bang bang boogy say upchuck the boogy, to the the rhythm of the boogity beat" is. [/QUOTE]
You know there's about 9 minutes of song after that bit.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27284990]As hip-hop matured, it became more important to convey a message, and whether it's a socially conscious message, a homophobic gang-tied message, or 'I want to get high, so high' like Cypress Hill, they're all important in their own way.
It's all good though[/QUOTE]
In the vast majority of cases, the message is some variation on "I rule, everyone else sucks compared to me. I get lots of girls. Let's party." That was the message of the Sugar Hill Gang song and it's the message of 6 Foot 7 Foot. There hasn't been as much of a change as you imply.
[QUOTE=TH89;27288526]You know there's about 9 minutes of song after that bit.
In the vast majority of cases, the message is some variation on "I rule, everyone else sucks compared to me. I get lots of girls. Let's party." That was the message of the Sugar Hill Gang song and it's the message of 6 Foot 7 Foot. There hasn't been as much of a change as you imply.[/QUOTE]
I know there's still a lot of that area around, I mean it's probably my favourite area, but I mean that people like Slug and the whole conscious rappers movement, travelled away from that area. I mean, a lot of Slug's lyrics come off as a hip-hop Springsteen, about the troubles of the working class, or alternatively they're about his issues with drugs and alcohol. I'm primarily talking about the conscious movement, as well as the violently anti-police lyrics of NWA and politically charged lyrics of Public enemy.
And I have heard the rest of Rappers delight, I was just trying to say that rap has moved on from it's original form, except as opposed to what Shortyish said, it's really gotten better. In my opinion, at least.
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I love early hip-hop, it has a really upbeat feel to it that just gets your foot tapping, but I firmly believe that todays rappers are generally better lyricists.
I like forms of modern rap more. Really, it's all preference, and for me, it's just the sound of the late 90's, and current rap that gets me. although, with how varied rap is, there's really only so much that is for me.
In my opinion the best rap music ever came out in the 90's.
Hip hop is much more widespread these days, so people feel the need to be different and thats why its evolved from what it used to be.
Need a section on grime. Fuck yeah england
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISZFQZgNp98[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj1N9d8P4bg[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mTLatDepSM[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlmhlWECMUk[/media]
Jurassic 5 is also by far one of my favorite rap acts.
Just sayin'.
[quote]Old school rap is hella old rap from the old days, like the 80s basically. Back then, it was all pretty silly and nobody could rap very well. [/quote]
sorry but no, have you heard Grandmaster Flashes "The Message"?
[QUOTE=Mabus;27307297]sorry but no, have you heard Grandmaster Flashes "The Message"?[/QUOTE]
Yes, it's constantly held up as an example of early political hip hop. But most people don't know it was terribly unsuccessful at the time, and the Furious Five hated it and didn't want to record it. They thought it was corny.
[QUOTE=mscmn;27270386]What about Wiz, he's getting radio play now with Black and Yellow.[/QUOTE]
You like it?
[QUOTE=mscmn;27270386]What about Wiz, he's getting radio play now with Black and Yellow. [/QUOTE]
Wiz is alright, but 90% of his songs are about weed. I have no problem with weed, but I don't like rappers who have no variety in what they rap about.
[QUOTE=TH89;27307855]Yes, it's constantly held up as an example of early political hip hop. But most people don't know it was terribly unsuccessful at the time, and the Furious Five hated it and didn't want to record it. They thought it was corny.[/QUOTE]
I'm not questioning that but can I ask how you know this?
Not it being unsuccessful at the time. Just how Furious Five didn't want to record it and how they thought it was corny.
You should devote a section to spoken word.
What do you guys think of sampling?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQSD3rCPp1E&feature=channel[/media]
Like it? Hate it? Depends?
[QUOTE=Funcoot;27311572]What do you guys think of sampling?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQSD3rCPp1E&feature=channel[/media]
Like it? Hate it? Depends?[/QUOTE]
I think it's great when used well. For example, I like the little King Crimson sample in 'POWER' by Kanye West, because it was a subtle reference that a fair few of his fans wouldn't have known. Any musician who can reference King Crimson is good in my book.
Sampling is great, the more obscure the better imo. I don't like it when people sample an already great song (unless they're just rapping over the top)
I'm actually considering purchasing some sampling tech, because my poet friend wants to give rapping a try, and I've always been interested in making beats. I'm going to need to look more into the tech though, I've only got a basic idea at best of shit like USB/MIDI controllers and what have you
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27312500]I'm actually considering purchasing some sampling tech, because my poet friend wants to give rapping a try, and I've always been interested in making beats. I'm going to need to look more into the tech though, I've only got a basic idea at best of shit like USB/MIDI controllers and what have you[/QUOTE]
If you're getting into beat making, get a midi keyboard for sure. I don't know how many people can actually just make a beat from straight samples, but that takes time to learn.
Get a keyboard and learn a lot about the actual process itself and maybe get a drumpad to help learn sampling at the same time.
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