[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;36556507]*je n'aime pas
I know french pretty well, took it for 3 years in school, is there an accurate scale anywhere that shows approximately how fluent you are based on how much you know?[/QUOTE]
I'm not great, I was in french immersion from kindergarten till grade 8, but that was during a time in which I didn't care about learning anything really.
Well, russian language sure are hard, but if you have someone to talk in it, it gets much much easier
Mon français est très mal.
Watashi wa nihongo o benkyoushimasu.
Protip, French is hard as shit and not that rewarding to learn, avoid it if possible.
Imo the grammar in French is much easier than in English.
Been trying to learn (or rather, relearn) Finnish for 8 years. Still bloody useless at it, and i'm living in the damn country :c
I was taught french for 3 years in school, I really wished I'd have paid more attention, but in those days you're too young and naive.
I am however trying to learn Swedish, I have countless amount of Swedish friends who would help. I tried searched for Swedish language courses in my town, but sadly, there are none.
Swedish is probably the only language I WANT to learn. But learning any language is probably great.
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[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;36562358]Been trying to learn (or rather, relearn) Finnish for 8 years. Still bloody useless at it, and i'm living in the damn country :c[/QUOTE]
I'm sure you have Finnish friends? and they would probably help being as nice as the Fins are.
I want to learn Finnish, can anyone give me so advice?
[QUOTE=EvilMelon;36562380]I'm sure you have Finnish friends? and they would probably help being as nice as the Fins are.[/QUOTE]I spend 99% of my time here, of course I don't have friends :v:
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;36562076]Protip, French is hard as shit and not that rewarding to learn, avoid it if possible.[/QUOTE]
You might have had a bad experience with french. I'm assuming your experience was classroom based? learn a language by yourself and you'll see some improvements. Anyway, i fucking love french. So you can fuck right off mate.
[QUOTE=Arkei;36558816]Would it be easier to learn Portuguese if you knew Spanish?[/QUOTE]
Every Portuguese or Spanish man knows a second language right off the bat. Portuñol, a horrid mix of the two languages that, while wrong, will get you by.
[QUOTE=Lord_Schrotty;36562083]Imo the grammar in French is much easier than in English.[/QUOTE]
I don't really see how
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[QUOTE=The Aussie;36562724]You might have had a bad experience with french. I'm assuming your experience was classroom based? learn a language by yourself and you'll see some improvements. Anyway, i fucking love french. So you can fuck right off mate.[/QUOTE]
I'm French, it's my mother language :v:
There's just way too much tenses and stupid outdated rules that should not be here. The way you have to build sentences is also completely opposite to logic and you have to lower your voice when you finish a sentence rather than keeping it up or increasing it, which forces you to put all the important stuff first which makes it kinda boring imo.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;36562878]I don't really see how
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I'm French, it's my mother language :v:
There's just way too much tenses and stupid outdated rules that should not be here. The way you have to build sentences is also completely opposite to logic and you have to lower your voice when you finish a sentence rather than keeping it up or increasing it, which forces you to put all the important stuff first which makes it kinda boring imo.[/QUOTE]
I dunno man, it's been a real joy to learn. I agree some of the grammar rules and obselete letters in words can be a bitch but i like to belive (or kid myself) that it adds an odd sort of charm to the language. I find it rewarding anywho. Something about reading le petit prince and l'etranger (Excuse the lack of accent, laptop) in it's orginal tounge is appealing. Although the bilingual text helps lots.
Literature is always better in the original language. I don't think I would have appreciated Moon Palace or Great Expectations if I had read them in French.
Been learning Russian for about half a year now, got an okay vocabulary but my grammar is absolutely terrible.
Also learning Italian, which is doing better but still needs some work.
[QUOTE=UberMunchkin;36563340]As my native language is English, which language do you think is the easiest for me to learn? Would it be Italian or something else?[/QUOTE]
Italian is pretty damn easy, as is French if you have a good teacher/resources. Spanish and German are a bit harder, but still not that bad.
However, I do recommend trying to learn a language that uses a different alphabet, it can be quite satisfying and helps improve your memory a bit too.
Don't know what the bad reputation is on Rosetta Stone I mean I am learning German on it (pirated) and I am picking up on the language. Of course I think the program is just to get you the basics and expects you to further develop the language you are learning by reading or writing etc.
It's good, but it's just a bit overpriced.
[QUOTE=Hell_Kyrone;36567014]Don't know what the bad reputation is on Rosetta Stone I mean I am learning German on it (pirated) and I am picking up on the language. Of course I think the program is just to get you the basics and expects you to further develop the language you are learning by reading or writing etc.[/QUOTE]
you will learn fuck all when it comes to grammar, which is really important if you want to know the language. And you'll only reach a basic level
I've been learning Japanese for a while now, and just came back from a 14 day study trip to Japan, and stayed with a Japanese family for half of that time. I'm really liking how efficient and logical the language is, but it's irritating to get all these Kanji memorized. Learning radicals is helping, though.
[QUOTE=D3TBS;36567528]you will learn fuck all when it comes to grammar, which is really important if you want to know the language. And you'll only reach a basic level[/QUOTE]
Thats what I am trying saying it gets you to the basic level and with what you learnt you can go by yourself and carry on the language improving on it yourself.
you'll end up knowing a couple of words and expressions and that's all. That's in no way a basic level because basic grammar also belongs to that level and it helps you understand why things are said the way they're said
I'm gonna give LiveMocha a try, I am a complete beginner
Found a good program thats like flash cards but on your computer.
[video=youtube;c0dI2VyLDWw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0dI2VyLDWw[/video]
[QUOTE=-Xemit-;36568184]Guys, is duolingo any good? As in does it teach important stuff or just various phrases like rosetta?[/QUOTE]
Duolingo has a focus on vocabulary, teaching you common phrases and words in units based on subjects. Grammar is touched on, but not explained fully. It's definitely a helpful resource to practice, but you should probably find something else as your primary teaching source.
Kanji? 6 MONTHS?! Either I was slow or that's just way too short. If you're starting off with Japanese my personal suggestion IS DON'T LEARN KANJI FIRST. Start with Hiragana and then Katakana and finally Kanji. It will save a lot of frustration. Don't stop with just one of these as you'll certainly see all of them. Once you get the sentence structure down it gets alot easier. Remembering all the particles will also make your life much easier. Above all, if you're planning on using it remember to learn the formal words and don't go around using the informal words all over the place.
My only problem with French is the pronunciation. My tongue has trouble with words like drawer in English, and pretty much every word in French requires that ability.
[QUOTE=galenmarek;36568740]Kanji? 6 MONTHS?! Either I was slow or that's just way too short. If you're starting off with Japanese my personal suggestion IS DON'T LEARN KANJI FIRST. Start with Hiragana and then Katakana and finally Kanji. It will save a lot of frustration. Don't stop with just one of these as you'll certainly see all of them. Once you get the sentence structure down it gets alot easier. Remembering all the particles will also make your life much easier. Above all, if you're planning on using it remember to learn the formal words and don't go around using the informal words all over the place.[/QUOTE]
I see you've never heard the work of James W. Heisig. He completely changed the way people learned Kanji, instead of most used to least used, which takes Japanese people some 13 years! He managed to get results down to six months by developing a system heavily based on radicals.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;36570449]I see you've never heard the work of James W. Heisig. He completely changed the way people learned Kanji, instead of most used to least used, which takes Japanese people some 13 years! He managed to get results down to six months by developing a system heavily based on radicals.[/QUOTE]
I wish I had heard about that because Kanji was a complete pain. The sentence structure is what I enjoyed though. It's a very basic thing to learn and once you get it right the rest gets so much easier.
Attempting to learn Dutch.
Any suggestions?
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