• Language Learning - Parlez-Vous français?
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[QUOTE=G3rman;36836366]First you learn the characters, then you learn grammar and context.[/QUOTE] How many characters are there in Mandarin?
Very many, but you generally learn around 200 to start with. A more interesting figure is the Chinese government considers literacy at knowledge of 2,000 characters, where the educated Chinese populace understands anywhere from 5 to 7 thousand. There are multiple types of script as well, which can add to the complexity.
[QUOTE=G3rman;36836405]Very many, but you generally learn around 200 to start with. A more interesting figure is the Chinese government considers literacy at knowledge of 2,000 characters, where the educated Chinese populace understands anywhere from 5 to 7 thousand. There are multiple types of script as well, which can add to the complexity.[/QUOTE] It's definitely a milestone I'd like to achieve, either that or Japanese (preferably Japanese)
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;36836421]It's definitely a milestone I'd like to achieve, either that or Japanese (preferably Japanese)[/QUOTE] I'd suggest Japanese over Chinese, I have heard both commonly and Chinese is not very pleasing to listen to (I liken it to Guttural like Deutsch). Japanese sounds somewhat more fluid. I am learning Korean myself, I find it a nice median.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;36570449]I see you've never heard the work of James W. Heisig. He completely changed the way people learned Kanji, instead of most used to least used, which takes Japanese people some 13 years! He managed to get results down to six months by developing a system heavily based on radicals.[/QUOTE] I can vouch for this. Heisig's method does allow you to write and recognize 2000 of the common Kanji from memory. I used this and the Anki deck for it and made it to around 1000 characters in just over a month before I got derived by life events. The biggest downside though is that you will not know the readings for them nor are you learning any actual Japanese from it. This method is really only beneficial when you start to learn Japanese vocabulary in context with Kanji (ie sentence farming). Not only will you learn the readings of the Kanji but you will also easily remember the vocabulary since you actually have something to associate them with (ie your recognition of certain Kanji). In my case I easily remembered a small share of readings and vocabulary of the Kanji when it was used in context without the need of rote repetition. I also cannot stress enough the importance of doing daily revision recaps (I highly recommend to use Anki since it organizes all your revisions for you). Heisig's method shouldn't be the end of your journey though and it clearly isn't for everyone. It's a shortcut to Japanese but that certainly doesn't make it an easy one. It just makes it easier and incredibly beneficial for you in the long run. One of the most important things about it though is that it helps you understand how to properly teach yourself and let you find the best teaching method that's the most effective for you. It lets you know what does and doesn't work for you and how you can change something without it impacting your studies. Japanese does not have to be a hard language that a lot of people make it out to be. Finding the most beneficial teaching method that applies to you is incredibly critical to success.
I want to master my English.
You should learn finnish, beautiful and useful language. Some favourite sayings of the noble finnish fold: "Vittuako se sulle kuuluu?" "Haluutsä turpaan?" "Painus ny vittuun" "Saatanan saatana" "Vittu tästä tuu mitään" And so on. Stunning, eh?
[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;36837352] "Saatanan saatana" [/QUOTE] First time saw this I read as "Santana"
[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;36837352]You should learn finnish, beautiful and useful language. Some favourite sayings of the noble finnish fold: "Vittuako se sulle kuuluu?" "Haluutsä turpaan?" "Painus ny vittuun" "Saatanan saatana" "Vittu tästä tuu mitään" And so on. Stunning, eh?[/QUOTE] Don't forget the all-time favorite "[B]PERKELE![/B]"
[QUOTE=juGGa;36837419]Don't forget the all-time favorite "[B]PERKELE![/B]"[/QUOTE] "Helvetin perse, kaikki menee päin vittua, saatana"
[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;36837352]You should learn finnish, beautiful and useful language. Some favourite sayings of the noble finnish fold: "Vittuako se sulle kuuluu?" "Haluutsä turpaan?" "Painus ny vittuun" "Saatanan saatana" "Vittu tästä tuu mitään" And so on. Stunning, eh?[/QUOTE] ahh stop repeating so many vowels it looks so ugly
vitun paskiaiset
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36841697]ahh stop repeating so many vowels it looks so ugly[/QUOTE] But everyone says that finnish is a beautiful language :(
After I went to Japan several years ago and made friends there I took a one year Japanese course in university. Going back this year and being able to make simple conversation was REALLY satisfying -- made it all worth it. Now I live in Hong Kong and I want to get on studying Cantonese before school starts in September. I took a year of Mandarin, which is helping a liiittle bit.
As a frenchman, I can tell you that French is hard as fuck and if you manage to speak French properly you can be proud of yourself as half of France can't even write two sentenses without mistakes.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36841697]ahh stop repeating so many vowels it looks so ugly[/QUOTE] Kokoo koko kokko. Koko kokkoko? Koko kokko. So. Beautiful.
[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;36869916]Kokoo koko kokko. Koko kokkoko? Koko kokko. So. Beautiful.[/QUOTE] 不然
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I found this post for anyone wanting to learn japanese. [Quote]If I had to do it all over again, here's my 2-3hr per day plan. Stage 1. a) 1 lesson of Pimsleur per day. After lessons, write out the list of new words/difficult sentences and feed them into anki. Romaji ok. b) 30 min japanesepod 101 per day c) 30 min learning the kana per day Stage 2 (after you've learned the kana). a) 1 lesson of Pimsleur per day. After lessons, write out the list of new words/difficult sentences and feed them into anki. Kana only - no romaji. b) 30 min japanesepod 101 per day c) 1 hr Remembering the Kanji per day and feed them into anki Stage 3 (half way through Pimsleur). a) 1 lesson of Pimsleur per day. After lessons, write out the list of new words/difficult sentences and feed them into anki. Kana only - no romaji. b) 30 min japanesepod 101 per day c) 1 hr Remembering the Kanji per day and feed them into anki d) 1-2 hrs Skype language partner conversation per week Stage 4 (after you've finished Pimsleur). a) 1 hr Genki per day. Put sentences covering grammar and new vocab into anki. b) 30 min japanesepod 101 per day c) 1 hr Remembering the Kanji per day and feed them into anki d) 2-4 hrs Skype language partner conversation per week Stage 5 (after you've finished Remembering the Kanji). a) 1 hr Genki per day. Put sentences covering grammar and new vocab into anki. b) 30 min japanesepod 101 per day c) 30 min reader per day. Put choice sentences/vocab into anki. d) 2-4 hrs Skype language partner conversation per week Stage 6 (after you've finished Genki). a) 30 min native video per day b) 30 min japanesepod 101 per day c) 30 min reader per day. Put choice sentences/vocab into anki. d) 2-4 hrs Skype language partner conversation per week e) 15 min writing per day Stage 7 (after you've outgrown japanesepod101 and readers). a) 30 min native video per day b) 30 min read native material per day d) 2-4 hrs Skype language partner conversation per week e) 15 min writing per day Stage 8 (after you're good at all 4 skills). a) 1 hr native video per week b) 1 hr read native material per week d) 1 hr Skype language partner conversation per week e) 1 hr writing per week [/quote]
I'm beginning to learn German for my 6 months in Germany starting in late January. I'm excited to learn the language, although I'm hoping it isn't too terribly difficult to be able to adapt to. One of my biggest worries, as I'm sure is true with anyone moving to a foreign country, is to be completely and utterly overwhelmed once I arrive. I'm still excited for the move, especially if there's a possible chance of making the move permanent. Still, looking over the language now, I feel like it's going to take ages to be able to speak basic German (and I mean actually speak it, not recite phrases that I've memorized).
[QUOTE=Bentham;36909065]I'm beginning to learn German for my 6 months in Germany starting in late January. I'm excited to learn the language, although I'm hoping it isn't too terribly difficult to be able to adapt to. One of my biggest worries, as I'm sure is true with anyone moving to a foreign country, is to be completely and utterly overwhelmed once I arrive. I'm still excited for the move, especially if there's a possible chance of making the move permanent. Still, looking over the language now, I feel like it's going to take ages to be able to speak basic German (and I mean actually speak it, not recite phrases that I've memorized).[/QUOTE] enjoy the grammar
[url]http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/latin/beginners/lesson02/lesson0202.htm[/url] Guys, guys. Let's do this.
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;36913704][url]http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/latin/beginners/lesson02/lesson0202.htm[/url] Guys, guys. Let's do this.[/QUOTE] I was forced to learn Latin for 2 years when I started secondary school, it wasn't fun at all [editline]24th July 2012[/editline] there's only so many sex jokes you can make about caecelius before it gets dull
[QUOTE=Bentham;36909065]I'm beginning to learn German for my 6 months in Germany starting in late January. I'm excited to learn the language, although I'm hoping it isn't too terribly difficult to be able to adapt to. One of my biggest worries, as I'm sure is true with anyone moving to a foreign country, is to be completely and utterly overwhelmed once I arrive. I'm still excited for the move, especially if there's a possible chance of making the move permanent. Still, looking over the language now, I feel like it's going to take ages to be able to speak basic German (and I mean actually speak it, not recite phrases that I've memorized).[/QUOTE] Learning German in Germany is infinitely easier than learning it in a foreign country.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36912311]enjoy the grammar[/QUOTE] I've heard this a lot from friends who took German at my university. [QUOTE=FFSStudios;36914730]Learning German in Germany is infinitely easier than learning it in a foreign country.[/QUOTE] That's probably true. Luckily, the firm I'm working for knows I didn't know any German when they offered me the position, so It's not expected that I should show up and immediately speak fluent German to clients or anything. Maybe once I have some of the basics down I'll go to that German thread here in GD and practice.
apparently "That is Anna" in Luxembourgish is "Dat ass d'Anna"
Feel free to ask for any clarification on the German; I'm a very avid German student and I love helping people out with it.
[QUOTE=FFStudios;36914988]Feel free to ask for any clarification on the German; I'm a very avid German student and I love helping people out with it.[/QUOTE] why do cases exist
[QUOTE=Maruhai;36845166]As a frenchman, I can tell you that French is hard as fuck and if you manage to speak French properly you can be proud of yourself as half of France can't even write two sentenses without mistakes.[/QUOTE] vous n'aimez pas francais ou les gens de France?
[QUOTE=Master Queef;36928037]vous n'aimez pas francais ou les gens de France?[/QUOTE] La France est composée à 70% d'arabes immigrés ne savant pas mieux parler le français que n'importe quel américain ou russe, mais nous avons des baguettes.
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