Il est tres difficile d'apprendre ce stupide langue.
Does anyone know why the first result for "how to learn any language" comes up as malicious, but it is linked to on multiple sites as a good resource>
[QUOTE=jaykray;37032358]Does anyone know why the first result for "how to learn any language" comes up as malicious, but it is linked to on multiple sites as a good resource>[/QUOTE]
I was just trying to find this post to make a note about that. I thought it was a false positive, i visited the forums to see the whole thing replaced with ><, don't go there. I had avast and maleware bytes running at that time, and i don't think anything installed due to the lack of ads on the site. Don't visit it for a while.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;37032985]I was just trying to find this post to make a note about that. I thought it was a false positive, i visited the forums to see the whole thing replaced with ><, don't go there. I had avast and maleware bytes running at that time, and i don't think anything installed due to the lack of ads on the site. Don't visit it for a while.[/QUOTE]
Have you been on the site before or has it always been like that?
[QUOTE=DualReaverV2;37021928]Il est tres difficile d'apprendre ce stupide langue.[/QUOTE]
Nous sommes d'accord cher confrère.
[editline]1st August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Master Queef;36938364]hmm..je n'ai pas ce savoir. Mais, c'est vrai...vous avez des baguettes. j'adore absolument des baguettes! Aussi, comment est ma grammaire? Je suis passe une course de francais dans ma lycee.[/QUOTE]
Ton français est compréhensible, c'est bien.
[QUOTE=AlphaWeapon;36934984]Started learning japanese. Easy as fuck, kana learned in 3 days and grammar already on understandable levels. Then kanjis. I hit a dick-covered wall, teeth first. Do I really have to learn all those characters? REALLY? I can't even understand what most kanjis ARE.
Take this one for example 裏. The fuck even is that. It's way too small. What the fuck how do you even manage to read this.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/jipdnfibhldikgcjhfnomkfpcebammhp"]Rikaikun[/URL] is very useful for kanji. Just mouse over the character and it tells you what it is.
Also, "麤" is apparently the kanji with the most strokes that can be rendered in standard fonts, with 33 strokes.
I've been using memrise for a bit, and am about to start using anki (both to learn spanish), but at the moment it doesn't seem to be teaching me grammar or anything, it's just vocabulary. Does this change or will I need to do something else for constructing sentences properly?
[QUOTE=jaykray;37037463]I've been using memrise for a bit, and am about to start using anki (both to learn spanish), but at the moment it doesn't seem to be teaching me grammar or anything, it's just vocabulary. Does this change or will I need to do something else for constructing sentences properly?[/QUOTE]
To my knowledge, Anki only teaches vocab if you choose a vocab group of cards. I would recommend using some website for Spanish to learn grammar, as it would likely give you advanced concepts and insight rather than flash cards. I do not know of any sites, though.
je mange le petit chien
[editline]1st August 2012[/editline]
that's about all the french i know/care to know.
[QUOTE=jaykray;37037463]I've been using memrise for a bit, and am about to start using anki (both to learn spanish), but at the moment it doesn't seem to be teaching me grammar or anything, it's just vocabulary. Does this change or will I need to do something else for constructing sentences properly?[/QUOTE]
Are you using decks created by other people? I recommend against that because the best deck to learn from is one you made yourself.
You should be making your own decks if you want to get the most use out of anki. You can make decks to teach yourself grammar, it'll just take a bit of effort. Like right now I'm making one for irregular verbs, it shouldn't be too difficult to come up with one for grammar.
So does anyone know how difficult the Maio / Hmong dialects can be to learn?
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37038033]Are you using decks created by other people? I recommend against that because the best deck to learn from is one you made yourself.
You should be making your own decks if you want to get the most use out of anki. You can make decks to teach yourself grammar, it'll just take a bit of effort. Like right now I'm making one for irregular verbs, it shouldn't be too difficult to come up with one for grammar.[/QUOTE]
Ah ok, what resources would you recommend I use to teach me the grammar that I can then put in decks?
[QUOTE=jaykray;37041825]Ah ok, what resources would you recommend I use to teach me the grammar that I can then put in decks?[/QUOTE]
Conventional methods. Learning from books, from web resources, from teachers, from native speakers.
I use [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Edexcel-Spanish-Grammar-Level-EAML/dp/0340968540/ref=sr_1_48?ie=UTF8&qid=1343864473&sr=8-48]this[/url] in class but I have no idea if it's good compared to the rest of the books on the market. It's worked well enough for me though. Although, I've never actually felt the need to put grammar into anki, I have a tendency to understand it fairly easily.
I had been learning mandarin chinese until I had to stop because my local highschool didn't have it as a third language. Had to stick with only spanish and man, do I suck at it. Managed to get a 16 out of 20 during my final exam, but now I don't want to hear about it for a while.
I regret not having pursued mandarin, though. It's now been 3 years and I can barely speak it, and don't even mention writing it. I have 3 notebooks full of chinese characters I used to write on for practice and now I forgot everything.
That's a damn shame, I really enjoyed learning that language.
[QUOTE=_Axel;37042767]I had been learning mandarin chinese until I had to stop because my local highschool didn't have it as a third language. Had to stick with only spanish and man, do I suck at it. Managed to get a 16 out of 20 during my final exam, but now I don't want to hear about it for a while.
I regret not having pursued mandarin, though. It's now been 3 years and I can barely speak it, and don't even mention writing it. I have 3 notebooks full of chinese characters I used to write on for practice and now I forgot everything.
That's a damn shame, I really enjoyed learning that language.[/QUOTE]
I got a cheap book called "Chinese for Beginners" from a place in Portland, and it's been sitting on my bedside table mocking me. Is it a good language to pick up? According to US standards, it's easier than Japanese (as is any language), but the idea of memorizing every single character is daunting.
[QUOTE=Chezhead;37042875]I got a cheap book called "Chinese for Beginners" from a place in Portland, and it's been sitting on my bedside table mocking me. Is it a good language to pick up? According to US standards, it's easier than Japanese (as is any language), but the idea of memorizing every single character is daunting.[/QUOTE]
I don't find it very appealing to listen to, its very guttural like German is and sounds rough/hoarse. The memorization of the characters would be pretty difficult, but I don't see it being much harder than Japanese. Its most definitely not a practical language to pick up unless you plan on going into business or travel.
[QUOTE=G3rman;37042933]I don't find it very appealing to listen to, its very guttural like German is and sounds rough/hoarse. The memorization of the characters would be pretty difficult, but I don't see it being much harder than Japanese. Its most definitely not a practical language to pick up unless you plan on going into business or travel.[/QUOTE]
The Mandarin language isn't hard, its just different. I wouldn't say its guttural, but the tones can be hard to pick up if you can't hear them well. It is a VERY practical language regardless of business/travel (at least in the U.S.) because there are more asian immigrants than hispanic immigrants now.
Also to Chezhead, one of OP's websites said its like learning a business logo. We do this all the time in the west:
[img_thumb]http://blogs-images.forbes.com/greatspeculations/files/2012/06/300px-Starbucks_Corporation_Logo_2011.svg_.png[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://blog.shoemetro.com/images/Nike-800.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://www.findthatlogo.com/wp-content/gallery/pepsi-logos/old-pepsi-logo.jpg[/img_thumb]
None of those images give any indication on how to pronounce them but you know what they mean just because you've seen them so much.
And although reading is still rather hard regardless, its very rewarding because the writing system is the same all across China. Learning how to write will let you communicate with any Chinese dialect.
Also, I [I]highly[/I] recommend if you want to learn Mandarin by yourself that you get an audio program as well because you need to be able to hear the tones (in English we use tones to indicate mood) [U]and[/U] that if you try to read pinyin like english it won't work. Its another language just like Spanish or German, and the letters are pronounced differently.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;37043351]The Mandarin language isn't hard, its just different. I wouldn't say I its guttural, but the tones can be hard to pick up if you can't hear them well. It is a VERY practical language regardless of business/travel (at least in the U.S.) because there are more asian immigrants than hispanic immigrants now.
Also to Chezhead, one of OP's websites said its like learning a business logo. We do this all the time in the west:
None of those images give any indication on how to pronounce them but you know what they mean just because you've seen them so much.
And although reading is still rather hard regardless, its very rewarding because the writing system is the same all across China. Learning how to write will let you communicate with any Chinese dialect.
Also, I [I]highly[/I] recommend if you want to learn Mandarin by yourself that you get an audio program as well because you need to be able to hear the tones (in English we use tones to indicate mood) [U]and[/U] that if you try to read pinyin like english it won't work. Its another language just like Spanish or German, and the letters are pronounced differently.[/QUOTE]
I understand how the character system works; I've worked through kanji in Japanese. It's just daunting having to learn the same things with different meanings, and the radicals don't always help.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;37043351] Its another language just like Spanish or German, and the letters are pronounced differently.[/QUOTE]
Not even the same ballpark, English is a Germanic language. Its much easier for someone to learn when they use the same alphabet (with two more extras on our side) than characters.
I took a year of Chinese Language and Culture as well as teaching myself Korean currently, and imo Chinese is not all that fun to speak, write, or learn. Their culture is fun and learning basic phrases was a blast, but getting into it was impossible for me.
Korean on the other hand.. <3.
[QUOTE=G3rman;37043524]Not even the same ballpark, English is a Germanic language. Its much easier for someone to learn when they use the same alphabet (with two more extras on our side) than characters.
I took a year of Chinese Language and Culture as well as teaching myself Korean currently, and imo Chinese is not all that fun to speak, write, or learn. Their culture is fun and learning basic phrases was a blast, but getting into it was impossible for me.
Korean on the other hand.. <3.[/QUOTE]
I need to know more about Korean. I hardly hear of people learning it, but when someone does tell me about it, it's apparently the best language ever. My 60 something Japanese teacher said it was something she planned to learn when she retired.
[QUOTE=Chezhead;37044174]I need to know more about Korean. I hardly hear of people learning it, but when someone does tell me about it, it's apparently the best language ever. My 60 something Japanese teacher said it was something she planned to learn when she retired.[/QUOTE]
Its just a very fluid speaking language, but its not popular because only 80 million or so speak it. I can't tell you as much as I'd like about the characters or written language, but you can expect it to be a similar learning process to any other character language.
The speaking has formal and informal suffixes and different words depending on who you speak to. These are often crucial in understanding the relationship between people when you hear them speak.
Like Kim Na Na shi would be a more formal way of addressing someone, like an acquaintance. Kim Na Na ah would be a more affectionate way, for a relationship perhaps.
[QUOTE=Chezhead;37042875]I got a cheap book called "Chinese for Beginners" from a place in Portland, and it's been sitting on my bedside table mocking me. Is it a good language to pick up? According to US standards, it's easier than Japanese (as is any language), but the idea of memorizing every single character is daunting.[/QUOTE]
Chinese (and most other Asian languages for that matter) are fantastic in that they have very simplistic methods of communication.
Take numbers for example. Instead of "one", "two", "three", "ten" "eleven", "twelve", "thirteen", "twenty-five" - all totally different words - Mandarin uses “一”,“二”,“三”,“十”,“十一”,“十二”,“十三”,“二十五” respectively, kind of like Arabic numerals. The characters are memorable too (except 4-9, “四” like what the fuck how is that even 4)
Asian languages typically have no tense either, or conjunction words - "I eat rice" literally translated could be "I ate rice", "I'm eating rice", "I then ate rice" etc.
The daunting part is just that symbolic languages like these have a character for every word, and even then, loads of characters can have exactly the same pronounciation. Pinyin "shi1" can mean any of "to lose", "corpse", "teacher/master", "to execute/carry out", "wet", "lion", "poem", "strain", or "rough silk" among other things. It's all situational.
An example of how bad this can be is the "shi shi" poem:
"shi2 shi4 shi1 shi4 shi1 shi4 shi4 shi1. shi4 shi2 shi2 shi1. shi4 shi2 shi2 shi4 shi4 shi4 shi1 shi2 shi2. shi4 shi2 shi1 shi4 shi4 shi4 shi2. shi4 shi1 shi4 shi4 shi4 shi4 shi4 shi4 shi2 shi1. shi4 shi3 shi4 shi3 shi4 shi2 shi1 shi4 shi4 shi4 shi2 shi4 shi2 shi1shi1. shi4 shi2 shi4 shi2 shi4 shi1. shi4 shi3 shi4 shi4 shi2 shi4 shi2 shi4 shi4. shi4 shi3 shi4 shi2 shi4 shi2 shi1 shi1 shi2 shi2. shi3 shi4 shi3 shi2 shi1 shi1 shi2 shi2 shi2 shi1 shi1 shi4 shi4 shi4 shi4"
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"A poet by the name of Shih Shih living in a stone den was fond of lions. As he had taken an oath to eat ten lions, he went out to the market every day at ten o'clock in order to look for lions. It was at the time when all of a sudden ten lions came to the market and also Shih Shih went to the market at once realizing these ten lions. Relying on his (bow and) arrows, he caused these ten lions to pass away. Shih picked up the corpses of these ten lions, and as he went to the stone den, the stone chamber was damp. Shih had the stone den wiped by his servant. As the stone den was cleaned, it was the time that Shih began trying to eat the meal of these ten lions' corpses and he began to realize that these ten dead lions infact were ten stone lions' corpses and he tried to get rid of this matter."
Like what the fuck
Thanks for adding Spanish :dance:
[QUOTE=jaykray;37049100]Thanks for adding Spanish :dance:[/QUOTE]
No problems, if you need help or anything i'd be happy to help. Just shoot me a pm or post in the thread. (For you lurkers)
[QUOTE=The Aussie;37049195]No problems, if you need help or anything i'd be happy to help. Just shoot me a pm or post in the thread. (For you lurkers)[/QUOTE]
[quote]Spanish
2/5
[B]Italian[/B] is a pretty easy language, and dead easy if you already speak a romance language[/quote]
???
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37049416]???[/QUOTE]
Wrote that at 2am, sorry 'bout that. I was talking about spanish though, as i spent a while going through Spanish on HTLAL and remember being very tired.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37049416]???[/QUOTE]
Bah, there's little to no difference anyway :v:
[QUOTE=_Axel;37049487]Bah, there's little to no difference anyway :v:[/QUOTE]
yeah, I can read some bits of italian just from knowing spanish. portuguese too.
I understand Italian people and I only learned Spanish for two years.
fucking spanish stole our language and added os to the end of every word
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