R.I.P Zyzz - The Internet Troll + Facepunch Member - General

[QUOTE=Shovelpass;37101830] It's just that the people who want to improve their physique the most also tend to be the hardest workers toward that goal.[/QUOTE] I don't know, I've lived with two people who work out 5 times a week but can't be bothered to study or actually go to their classes and have no determination for anything, plenty of people work out for superficial reasons, not because they want to but because they're scared that if they don't they'll be looked down upon which is completely false, and if you do work out for those reasons and don't enjoy it then you should probably stop, unless you're seriously unhealthy.

Hardest workers toward their goal(s). If their real goals (the ones most important to them) don't involve school then of course they are going to half ass school. I'm the same way, I take bodybuilding seriously but skip classes all the time. Am I lazy? No, I'm an incredibly hard worker, I just don't consider school as important as others do. You could just as well say, "I know people who always go to class but never go to the gym," does that make them lazy? Not exactly, the gym just has little to do with their goals.

[QUOTE=David Tennant;37101871]I don't know, I've lived with two people who work out 5 times a week but can't be bothered to study or actually go to their classes, plenty of people work out for superficial reasons, not because they want to but because they're scared that if they don't they'll be looked down upon which is completely false.[/QUOTE] Working out 5 times a week doesn't mean they're working out hard. I have a friend who has worked out 5 times a week for over 2 years, never missed a day, and he's made some gains but he's still tubby, has bad posture, and not very strong. on the contrary, i have a friend who started working out at the exact same time as him (they both joined a fitness class together when they started) and he also works out 5 times a week and he looks 100x better than him. he has striations and feathers, 6 pack abs, veins all over. it's because he works HARD every day when he works out, he pushes himself to do that one last rep on every set, he's always increasing his weights and pushing himself to his bodies limit and then going past that. those are the type of people shovel is referring to i believe

[QUOTE=Shovelpass;37101893]Hardest workers toward their goal(s). If their real goals (the ones most important to them) don't involve school then of course they are going to half ass school. I'm the same way, I take bodybuilding seriously but skip classes all the time. Am I lazy? No, I'm an incredibly hard worker, I just don't consider school as important as others do. You could just as well say, "I know people who always go to class but never go to the gym," does that make them lazy? Not exactly, the gym just has little to do with their goals.[/QUOTE] Being a bit of hypocrit here but, going back on what I said (basically saying, do what makes you happy) I'd consider finishing school to be much more important than spending that time getting a bit buff, this isn't at you though (you can skip classes and still do well) but the people I'm talking about completely wasted two years of there life or gave up on what they wanted to do with there lives (with the bar already set quite low) yet took the gym way too seriously for there own health.

Most of that comes down to diet more than anything. You can work out as hard as you want but if you eat like shit it won't mean anything. Seriously, when it comes down to building muscle/losing fat, diet is probably around 80-90 percent of the fight.

This thread reeks of beta rage. Keep on mirin' jobra.

[QUOTE=David Tennant;37101917]Being a bit of hypocrit here but, going back on what I said (basically saying, do what makes you happy) I'd consider finishing school to be much more important than spending that time getting a bit buff, this isn't at you though (you can skip classes and still do well) but the people I'm talking about completely either wasted two years of there life or gave up on what they wanted to do (with the bar already set quite low) yet took the gym way too seriously for there own health.[/QUOTE] The key is that is what [I]you[/I] consider more important, but [I]your[/I] goals and motives don't represent the goals and motives of everyone else. Like I said, just because they half assed school doesn't mean they aren't hard workers. You're applying your goals to them, they wasted their time because they didn't do well in school which means those years were wasted, and gave up on what they wanted to do which implies people don't change their minds when it comes down to career paths. I mean, why do you go to school? So you can get a good job, but why do you want a good job? The endgame is probably the fact that you just want to be happy, and to you, happy means a good job that pays well. However, that isn't the case for everyone else. If someone gave me the option to either have a shit job and be able to lift like I do or have my dream job but never be allowed to touch weights again, I'd choose the shit job. Lifting and improving my physique is what makes me happy, which leads to the same endgame as yours.

[QUOTE=Pandamox;37101908]Working out 5 times a week doesn't mean they're working out hard. I have a friend who has worked out 5 times a week for over 2 years, never missed a day, and he's made some gains but he's still tubby, has bad posture, and not very strong. on the contrary, i have a friend who started working out at the exact same time as him (they both joined a fitness class together when they started) and he also works out 5 times a week and he looks 100x better than him. he has striations and feathers, 6 pack abs, veins all over. it's because he works HARD every day when he works out, he pushes himself to do that one last rep on every set, he's always increasing his weights and pushing himself to his bodies limit and then going past that. those are the type of people shovel is referring to i believe[/QUOTE] They got quite big, but were the superficial type that went topless whenever it wasn't absolutely freezing out and and made fun of just about everyone who "wasn't on there level". Stereotypes do have a grain of truth in them almost all the "get buff, get laid" people I've had the displeasure of being with have been typical muscleheads that care about nothing else and look down on others for silly reasons, not to say all those who work out regularly are like that.

He brags about superior genetics, he then proceeds to die of a genetic heart defect.

[QUOTE=Shovelpass;37101919]Most of that comes down to diet more than anything. You can work out as hard as you want but if you eat like shit it won't mean anything. Seriously, when it comes down to building muscle/losing fat, diet is probably around 80-90 percent of the fight.[/QUOTE] If you're looking for definition then it's more like 50-60%. if you're looking for strength and just building muscle and not definition and looking shredded thick solid tight, then it's like 10%. definitely not 80-90 though. it's not even that difficult to keep a decent diet going, just increase caloric intake of healthy foods, don't eat greasy burgers and chinese food and stuff and build muscle then when you want to cut, decrease calories, carbs, dairy, etc. and maybe a little more cardio if you want a little extra. it's not at all difficult and i'd have to disagree with it being 80-90% of gaining muscle and looking good plus you should have a good diet even if you don't workout

[QUOTE=Leader of Me;37101984]He brags about superior genetics, he then proceeds to die of a genetic heart defect.[/QUOTE] His mother was a heart surgeon or something like that. I think it's pretty clear he didn't have a heart defect and they used that as a way to preserve his image. It doesn't present a very positive image to say, "He died because he did a gram of coke, took 400mcg of clenbuterol, and then hit up a sauna," or something along those lines. [editline]6th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Pandamox;37101990]If you're looking for definition then it's more like 50-60%. if you're looking for strength and just building muscle and not definition and looking shredded thick solid tight, then it's like 10%. definitely not 80-90 though. it's not even that difficult to keep a decent diet going, just increase caloric intake of healthy foods, don't eat greasy burgers and chinese food and stuff and build muscle then when you want to cut, decrease calories, carbs, dairy, etc. and maybe a little more cardio if you want a little extra. it's not at all difficult and i'd have to disagree with it being 80-90% of gaining muscle and looking good plus you should have a good diet even if you don't workout[/QUOTE] Um, definition is ALL diet. Comes down ENTIRELY to bodyfat percentage, which is determined by diet. Bulking is tits easy but cutting can be difficult for a good number of people, especially when you get down to lower weights because you need to hit a certain protein amount while keeping calories low AND getting enough carbs (but not too much) in order to not induce ketosis (unless you're purposefully doing keto). Diet plays a much larger part in everything than you think, what actually goes on in the gym is such a miniscule part of things. But I'm talking about bodybuilding here, not just looking better. You can easily look better just by cleaning up your diet and working hard, but if you want to look joocy as fuark then you gotta watch diet like a hawk and you quickly realize just how big a part it plays in everything.

[QUOTE=Shovelpass;37101962] I mean, why do you go to school? So you can get a good job, but why do you want a good job? The endgame is probably the fact that you just want to be happy, and to you, happy means a good job that pays well. However, that isn't the case for everyone else. If someone gave me the option to either have a shit job and be able to lift like I do or have my dream job but never be allowed to touch weights again, I'd choose the shit job. Lifting and improving my physique is what makes me happy, which leads to the same endgame as yours.[/QUOTE] Exactly, that's what I'm trying to say, the people that I'm referring too had no determination at all and had no goals at the gym, they just did it due to what I would assume is social pressure and all but two "muscleheads" I've met do it for the wrong reasons, not because they're working towards a goal and they love doing it, but because they actually like to feel superior to others which is a terrible mindset, they stopped going once they failed university and as far as I know, both have jobs they dislike and are going back to University in the coming year in which I hope they learn from there mistakes.

[QUOTE=Shovelpass;37101995]His mother was a heart surgeon or something like that. I think it's pretty clear he didn't have a heart defect and they used that as a way to preserve his image. It doesn't present a very positive image to say, "He died because he did a gram of coke, took 400mcg of clenbuterol, and then hit up a sauna," or something along those lines.[/QUOTE] not to mention that the juicing and ridiculous amount of work that went into maintaining his physique probably didn't help

[QUOTE=Pandamox;37101990]If you're looking for definition then it's more like 50-60%. if you're looking for strength and just building muscle and not definition and looking shredded thick solid tight, then it's like 10%. definitely not 80-90 though. it's not even that difficult to keep a decent diet going, just increase caloric intake of healthy foods, don't eat greasy burgers and chinese food and stuff and build muscle then when you want to cut, decrease calories, carbs, dairy, etc. and maybe a little more cardio if you want a little extra. it's not at all difficult and i'd have to disagree with it being 80-90% of gaining muscle and looking good plus you should have a good diet even if you don't workout[/QUOTE] That's a personal opinion. Your post is really irrelevant to the point and fucked up as you think not eating burgers every now and then and avoiding carbs is something that does not require dedication and will power.

[QUOTE=Shovelpass;37101995]His mother was a heart surgeon or something like that. I think it's pretty clear he didn't have a heart defect and they used that as a way to preserve his image. It doesn't present a very positive image to say, "He died because he did a gram of coke, took 400mcg of clenbuterol, and then hit up a sauna," or something along those lines. [editline]6th August 2012[/editline] Um, definition is ALL diet. Comes down ENTIRELY to bodyfat percentage, which is determined by diet. Bulking is tits easy but cutting can be difficult for a good number of people, especially when you get down to lower weights because you need to hit a certain protein amount while keeping calories low AND getting enough carbs (but not too much) in order to not induce ketosis (unless you're purposefully doing keto). Diet plays a much larger part in everything than you think, what actually goes on in the gym is such a miniscule part of things. But I'm talking about bodybuilding here, not just looking better. You can easily look better just by cleaning up your diet and working hard, but if you want to look joocy as fuark then you gotta watch diet like a hawk and you quickly realize just how big a part it plays in everything.[/QUOTE] are you using the actual definition of bodybuilding or the more widely used definition of body building as in like professional bodybuilding? because i'm getting a little confused here. if you're talking about like professional body building and competitive shit, then yeah, diet is a large portion of it. but if we're talking body building in the sense of the average guy that goes to the gym, diet isn't a huge deal. i cut for like 7 weeks and got myself down to around 8% BF and it really wasn't all that difficult. now if i wanted to get down to professional competitive bodybuilding body fat like 5% then i probably couldn't do that without some serious serious restrictions and a fuckload of hard work. plus if you don't lift with proper form, enough weight and enough vigor in the gym then it doesn't matter how amazing your diet is you'll still look like a puny shit

[QUOTE=fredstin22;37102078]This thread is now a discussion about exercising[/QUOTE] it's what zyzz would've wanted that sick kunt

[QUOTE=Pandamox;37102097]it's what zyzz would've wanted that sick kunt[/QUOTE] Zyzz was a troll, get over it.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;37096087]Stop making shitty excuses for not getting off your ass for once. He didn't die "because he started working out and got healthy" he died because he had a critical heart disease that was exacerbated due to drug use.[/QUOTE] I've had plenty of free time, transport and money to go to the gym of I liked and it would be fun. I don't because those muscles are not the kind of thing I like. I genuinely wouldn't swap my body for ZyZz's, no matter how epic his was. Laziness? Perhaps. But my skinny body is something I actually like, personally. I'll keep it until I feel it's no longer working with the overall look I want and then I'll go train and change it to give a stronger look. I came here for a joke by the way guys, stop acting so serious, it's not like I have anything against the guy or what he did.

[QUOTE=Baf;37102160]Zyzz was a troll, get over it.[/QUOTE] stick to lurking, friend. you've got a ways to go. [editline]6th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=fredstin22;37102078]This thread is now a discussion about exercising[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's what he'd have wanted.

Problem with working out is you have to stick to it, pretty much for the rest of your life. Can't just quit one day unless you like having a fuckton of health problems, if you don't stick to it you'd probably be better off not having started working out at all, or at least ramping it down. And really, nobody needs steroids, what's wrong with working out normally?

[video=youtube;R4Ho4uZLf14]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4Ho4uZLf14[/video]

[QUOTE=Ybbats;37103489]Can't just quit one day unless you like having a fuckton of health problems,[/QUOTE] Where do you get that from?

he's right, if you just stop working out and shit one day then you're going to lose all those results. that's why you see jacked people in gyms, they're keeping in shape.

So there was no proof it was the real Zyzz posting on FP right? Why do people think it wasn't just a gimmick?

[QUOTE=Ybbats;37103489]Problem with working out is you have to stick to it, pretty much for the rest of your life. Can't just quit one day unless you like having a fuckton of health problems, if you don't stick to it you'd probably be better off not having started working out at all, or at least ramping it down. And really, nobody needs steroids, what's wrong with working out normally?[/QUOTE] I'm certainly not knowledgeable on the subject, but don't actual strength gains persist for quite some time where-as hypertrophy disappears quite quickly? strength-training vs hypertrophy?

[QUOTE=Lamar;37107412]I'm certainly not knowledgeable on the subject, but don't actual strength gains persist for quite some time where-as hypertrophy disappears quite quickly? strength-training vs hypertrophy?[/QUOTE] Somewhat. Provided you're eating at a caloric surplus or right around maintenance, your body isn't going to destroy any muscle so you technically shouldn't lose strength gains. However, you will lose some muscle size. Why? Because when you lift weights regularly, your body adapts to it by storing more glycogen and water in your muscles. This is why people gain a lot of size extremely fast when they first start lifting, it isn't actual muscle mass they're building, the muscles are just being filled with glycogen and water. When you stop lifting, your body will eventually stop shuttling glycogen and water into your muscles at that elevated rate and they will deflate.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37106873]he's right, if you just stop working out and shit one day then you're going to lose all those results. that's why you see jacked people in gyms, they're keeping in shape.[/QUOTE] All the results? No way, you will just gain some bodyfat if you are sitting on 6% or something and he claimed that you get health problems not lose results.

Hey guys [img]http://puu.sh/18Otd[/img] I want to believe

I doubt very much now he's dead

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37807364]I doubt very much now he's dead[/QUOTE] I seriously hope so. He's my idol, and the person who motivated me to change myself.