Coolest/Ugliest Weapons V5 - Bullpup AKs are the best - General

[QUOTE=Auto Taco;42513078][IMG]http://i15.tinypic.com/4pe8ygi.jpg[/IMG] The IMI Uzi.(Mac 10's Jewish brother) I liked this gun for it's telescoping bolt and concealment for being a sub-machine gun.[/QUOTE] SMG's are made to be compact, not concealable.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42515900]SMG's are made to be compact, not concealable.[/QUOTE] The Vz. 61 Skorpion is totally concealable.

[QUOTE=OffTheRoad;42454036]Are you talking about this one? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hfLZozBVpM[/media][/QUOTE] [t]http://i.cubeupload.com/FdqfAm.gif[/t]

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;42516480]Cold Steel gif[/QUOTE] That's some hardcore balloon popping there. Imagine pulling a stunt like that at a party...:v: Of course, all that scene shows is that the two handed greatsword that's available for a few hundred dollars is just as effective at balloon bursting as a No. 2 pencil. :P

[QUOTE=MAC21500;42515963]The Vz. 61 Skorpion is totally concealable.[/QUOTE] Ok but an MP-5 isn't. Being able to hide one under a suit-coat is an advantage for an SMG, but not being able to do so isn't really a disadvantage for one either.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;42515963]The Vz. 61 Skorpion is totally concealable.[/QUOTE] that's because the vz.61 is a machine pistol

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42516727]Ok but an MP-5 isn't. Being able to hide one under a suit-coat is an advantage for an SMG, but not being able to do so isn't really a disadvantage for one either.[/QUOTE] An MP5-K is, so is a P90 and MP-7; don't forget the Magpul FMG-9 that never was. [img]http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/7/78/LW2_011.JPG/800px-LW2_011.JPG[/img]

and uzis are perfectly easy to hide under a jacket, the secret service used to do it every day [editline]14th October 2013[/editline] MP5s are pretty tiny too and wouldn't be hard to conceal, though that's not really what they were made for

[QUOTE=butre;42516923]that's because the vz.61 is a machine pistol[/QUOTE] Technically its not, even CZ-USA's website calls it a submachinegun, as well as every other site I look it up on. "A machine pistol is a handgun-style,[1] magazine-fed, self-loading firearm, capable of fully automatic or burst fire, and chambered for pistol cartridges. The term is a literal translation of Maschinenpistole, the German term for a hand-held automatic weapon firing pistol cartridges. While the dividing line between machine pistols and compact submachine guns is hard to draw, the term "submachine gun" usually refers to carbines designed for automatic fire of pistol cartridges, while the term "machine pistol" usually refers to a weapon built up from a semi-automatic pistol design. Machine pistols are generally more compact to be concealable and can be operated one-handed, while submachine guns are usually designed to be two-handed and tend to have longer barrels for better accuracy."

[QUOTE=MAC21500;42516938]An MP5-K is, so is a P90 and MP-7; don't forget the Magpul FMG-9 that never was. [img]http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/7/78/LW2_011.JPG/800px-LW2_011.JPG[/img][/QUOTE] Those are more akin to PDW's than SMG's, and the FMG-9 is just a machine pistol in a gimicky flashlight kit.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42516987]Those are more akin to PDW's than SMG's, and the FMG-9 is just a machine pistol in a gimicky flashlight kit.[/QUOTE] PDWs are for the most part, an SMG, save the cartridge. I would argue that the P90 is an SMG because there is a pistol chambered in 5.7x28 while the MP-7 is a PDW because nothing else fires its cartridge. Yes, the FMG-9 is just a machinepistol in a kit, but per the BATFE's current stupid definition, adding a stock or foregrip to a pistol makes it an SBR, so voila, an SMG. If they're semi-auto they're called carbines...go figure. Edit: "The earliest weapons marketed as PDWs were the Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW and the GG-95 PDW (Jatimatic)." The PP-2000 is marketed as a PDW when firing the +P+ 7N31 9x19 AP ammo which gives it purportedly superior performance to 5.7x28 and 4.6x30.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;42517054]PDWs are for the most part, an SMG, save the cartridge. I would argue that the P90 is an SMG because there is a pistol chambered in 5.7x28 while the MP-7 is a PDW because nothing else fires its cartridge. Yes, the FMG-9 is just a machinepistol in a kit, but per the BATFE's current stupid definition, adding a stock or foregrip to a pistol makes it an SBR, so voila, an SMG. If they're semi-auto they're called carbines...go figure.[/QUOTE] the five-seven came out after the P90. the 5.7 cartridge was developed for the P90 and the pistol came a decade later. your logic is like saying .223 is a pistol cartridge because .223 pistols exist now 5.7 is a PDW cartridge, the p90 is a PDW, and the five-seven is a pistol that fires a pdw cartridge

[QUOTE=MAC21500;42517054]PDWs are for the most part, an SMG, save the cartridge. I would argue that the P90 is an SMG because there is a pistol chambered in 5.7x28 while the MP-7 is a PDW because nothing else fires its cartridge. Yes, the FMG-9 is just a machinepistol in a kit, but per the BATFE's current stupid definition, adding a stock or foregrip to a pistol makes it an SBR, so voila, an SMG. If they're semi-auto they're called carbines...go figure. Edit: "The earliest weapons marketed as PDWs were the Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW and the GG-95 PDW (Jatimatic)." The PP-2000 is marketed as a PDW when firing the +P+ 7N31 9x19 AP ammo which gives it purportedly superior performance to 5.7x28 and 4.6x30.[/QUOTE] There was going to be a pistol developed along with the MP7 called the UCP.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;42517054]PDWs are for the most part, an SMG, save the cartridge. I would argue that the P90 is an SMG because there is a pistol chambered in 5.7x28 while the MP-7 is a PDW because nothing else fires its cartridge. Yes, the FMG-9 is just a machinepistol in a kit, but per the BATFE's current stupid definition, adding a stock or foregrip to a pistol makes it an SBR, so voila, an SMG. If they're semi-auto they're called carbines...go figure. Edit: "The earliest weapons marketed as PDWs were the Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW and the GG-95 PDW (Jatimatic)." The PP-2000 is marketed as a PDW when firing the +P+ 7N31 9x19 AP ammo which gives it purportedly superior performance to 5.7x28 and 4.6x30.[/QUOTE] If a PDW or an SMG fires a round larger than a pistol round, it can't be an SMG. An SMG is defined as a machinegun that fires a sub-rifle round, thus sub-machine-gun. You can't go by BATFE's definitions for things, else shoe stores everywhere would be arms dealers and bubbas with double barrel shotguns would be machinegun owners.

[QUOTE=butre;42517144]the five-seven came out after the P90. the 5.7 cartridge was developed for the P90 and the pistol came a decade later. your logic is like saying .223 is a pistol cartridge because .223 pistols exist now 5.7 is a PDW cartridge, the p90 is a PDW, and the five-seven is a pistol that fires a pdw cartridge[/QUOTE] Hence what I said about "mostly an SMG save for caliber". I cannot draw the line between PDW caliber and SMG caliber, there are a plethora of wildcat/varmint cartridges with similar performance. The .22 TCM for example (slower actually). I suppose you could argue that the difference is velocity? What do you call a fully automatic AR Pistol? A PDW... [editline]14th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42517202]If a PDW or an SMG fires a round larger than a pistol round, it can't be an SMG. An SMG is defined as a machinegun that fires a sub-rifle round, thus sub-machine-gun. You can't go by BATFE's definitions for things, else shoe stores everywhere would be arms dealers and bubbas with double barrel shotguns would be machinegun owners.[/QUOTE] Thats why I said "current (denoting the ever-changing nature of BATFE rulings) and stupid" Larger than a pistol round how? Cartridge length? Bullet diameter? "Most sources now, however, restrict the term solely to pistol-caliber, carbine-length automatic weapons." So, what you're saying is, If I develop a cartridge similar in performance to 5.7x28 or 4.6x30 and build a pistol for it first, and a fully automatic "carbine length" or compact weapon immidiately afterwards, its an SMG, but if I do it the other way around, it isn't? What if they were developed in parallel? Seems like semantics to me... DPMS 5.56x45 PDW: [url]http://www.dpmsinc.com/PDW_ep_115-1.html[/url] [img]http://www.dpmsinc.com/assets/images/firearms/RFA3-PDW.jpg[/img]

well that's pretty cool

I think the Noveske Diplomat looks better: [img]http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN2577.jpg[/img]

I prefer the SiG556 SBR myself [img]http://www.tangodownltd.co.uk/images/Guns/Sub-Machine/SIG556-SA.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42522370]I prefer the SiG556 SBR myself [img]http://www.tangodownltd.co.uk/images/Guns/Sub-Machine/SIG556-SA.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Too bad the American made ones are low quality: [url]http://www.thebangswitch.com/sig-551a1-american-copy-of-a-classic/[/url] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuBGS6M4oJU[/media]

The 556R's had issues with their first production run, but was fixed later. I haven't had a single issue with my own 556 and none of the people I've talked to who own a 556 have issues with them either. I can't comment on Sig's 551 though.

[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/51AirborneRegiment49.jpg[/t] Винтовка Снайперская Специальная! Vintorez Special Sniper Rifle You can actually Strip it down and fit it in a Special Briefcase

[QUOTE=DiavelZzZ;42523805]You can actually Strip it down and fit it in a Special Briefcase[/QUOTE] A few guns can, not to mention gun cases. I've allways liked how it looks though.

Normally ARs are boring but damn, not much is sexier than an SBR AR

[QUOTE=MAC21500;42521897]I think the Noveske Diplomat looks better: [img]http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/bsimpson23/DSCN2577.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I love the blocky angular look of that upper, to me it looks better than the cylindrical style. [editline]14th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=roxter;42513927][IMG]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100606235020/military/images/5/56/Cbj-ms-3.jpg[/IMG] CBJ-MS[/QUOTE] That thing is just ridiculous, the foregrip, the magazine, the bipod, even the stock and charging handle look weird. Not to mention Bofors has made some seriously excessive sounding claims about its capabilities, they say the weapon can work in an assault rifle, PDW, and even LSW role, and actually claim that the cartridge it fires (6.5x25mm, same overall size as 9x19mm) can effectively penetrate not only body armor, but also light vehicle armor found on APCs.

[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;42524493]Normally ARs are boring but damn, not much is sexier than an SBR AR[/QUOTE] Fact: SBRs make everything cooler [img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/5415a0915d51171583e64e39eaa2c667/tumblr_mu1zybIRHB1qdrno0o1_1280.jpg[/img] [img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/cbca1c3749e921886c3446ad99fcc9da/tumblr_mtqeicHFaL1rth37fo1_500.jpg[/img] [t]http://25.media.tumblr.com/a3f164b7c4bd69081b52b60c2a4f3fa1/tumblr_mtepc4v5Wu1qdrno0o1_1280.jpg[/t] Fact #2: Everything chambered in 5.45 is awesome [URL="http://25.media.tumblr.com/6d22a5e40e5f744e03143ad8f4e84236/tumblr_mfpjmd1QjT1qbr1g6o1_500.jpg"][img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdvfg15YIo1qdrno0o1_500.jpg[/img][/URL]

That is rather ridiculous. I can see it in PDW and MAYBE LSW role and it might be able to get through light body armor but APC armor? Hell no.

[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;42524654]That is rather ridiculous. I can see it in PDW and MAYBE LSW role and it might be able to get through light body armor but APC armor? Hell no.[/QUOTE] Don't underestimate the ballistics of low caliber-high velocity rounds.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42524688]Don't underestimate the ballistics of low caliber-high velocity rounds.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPLfRrn2WHI[/media]

[img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/cbca1c3749e921886c3446ad99fcc9da/tumblr_mtqeicHFaL1rth37fo1_500.jpg[/img] What's the furniture on this AK?

[QUOTE=fireball397;42526763][img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/cbca1c3749e921886c3446ad99fcc9da/tumblr_mtqeicHFaL1rth37fo1_500.jpg[/img] What's the furniture on this AK?[/QUOTE] Magpul PG with adapter for the AK, magpul stock with adapter for the AK; not sure about the rails.