Coolest/Ugliest Weapons V5 - Bullpup AKs are the best - General

generally there was a reason why the U.S. abandoned gas operated miniguns, we tried them on the f-4 phantom and it was unreliable as shit because the air intake only worked at certain speeds, angles, and altitudes. switching to electric isn't because we woosed out, it was because an electric motor can assure you have an even RoF which prevents jams too

[QUOTE=Sableye;42760355]in the spirit of overcompensation, i present to you [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Colt_Dragoon_2nd_Mod_1848.JPG[/t] the colt dragoon[/QUOTE] You ain't seen shit [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/1847Colt_Walker.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/3/30/TOJWColtWalker-8.jpg/600px-TOJWColtWalker-8.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Sableye;42760423]generally there was a reason why the U.S. abandoned gas operated miniguns, we tried them on the f-4 phantom and it was unreliable as shit because the air intake only worked at certain speeds, angles, and altitudes. switching to electric isn't because we woosed out, it was because an electric motor can assure you have an even RoF which prevents jams too[/QUOTE] You could go the way the Russkies and many revolver cannons did, pyrotechnic cocking charges; I believe the GSh 23 and 30, as well as the French DEFA, British ADEN and Mause BK-27 series have them. GSh series being the only rotary multi-barrel design; higher fire rate and limited number of bursts however.

wtf 5.45x39 is beautiful what are you talking about nigerian child grips master race

i actually like to strap another ak to my ak and use that as a grip

[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;42761428]i actually like to strap another ak to my ak and use that as a grip[/QUOTE] It is done comrade... [img]http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t149/mustangduckk/IMG_2212.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=MAC21500;42761941]It is done comrade... [img]http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t149/mustangduckk/IMG_2212.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Theoretically if you could reload and switch hands fast enough, you could continuously shoot with them :v:

[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;42760517]You ain't seen shit [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/1847Colt_Walker.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/3/30/TOJWColtWalker-8.jpg/600px-TOJWColtWalker-8.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] why bring two guns when you can just bring a gun that has two guns? [t]http://www.horstheld.com/Lemat-25.jpg[/t] bonus [t]http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Pistols/LeMat%20Revolvers/LEMAT%20CARBINE/lemat2ndmod8.jpg[/t] [editline]5th November 2013[/editline] also wouldn't using two of those pistols simultaniously like...blow off your hands or break your wrists?

In the spirit of awesome, ugly-ass Ye Olde Weaponse. [IMG]http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/d3/Le-mat-revolver.jpg[/IMG] Le-Mat 9-shot revolver/single-shot shotgun combo. This one is an original .42 and 20 gauge, though they came in a fair variety of calibers and gauges. [editline]5th November 2013[/editline] Oh, I'm super-stupid, you posted the carbine version right above. The carbines I've seen had a different stock and both barrels were same length, didn't know it came in other configurations.

[QUOTE=Riller;42741809]Oh, Russian rotary designs are quite awesome, actually. Where American ones are all wusses and need an electric engine to rotate them, Russian ones are all self-powered, gas-operated beasts, from [URL="http://i.imgur.com/EsaLUiR.png"]the small 7.62x54r[/URL] ones right up to the [URL="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/GSh-6-30_Hu_Szolnok_1.jpg"]30mm GAU-8 competitors[/URL] mounted on aircraft. Of particular note (of awesomeness) is the [URL="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/GSh623Mavant.jpg"]23mm GSh-6-23[/URL]. This beast had an insane rate of fire of up to [I][B]12.000 rounds per minute[/B][/I]. Sadly, it had some issues with reliability and rounds exploding prematurely (Not going off, [I]exploding[/I]), which destroyed two planes in-flight, so it's no longer in use. Still mounted on aircraft, but without any ammo. Still a damn impressive, if not impractical, piece of mechanical artwork.[/QUOTE] On the topic of Russian Rotary Cannons, I need to talk about the GSh-6-30. Now, taken as an individual weapon system it is pretty impressive. A max rate of fire around 6000 rounds per minute, fires a nice 30x165 mm round, and was originally designed to be used on Russian ships as part of an anti-missile weapon (one of the earliest CIWS systems in fact). That's right, it's designed to be used on ships. So the Russians, in their infinite wisdom, decided to put it on jets. I'll let some wanker from 4chan sum up how that worked out, [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/F0KQV9Q.jpg[/IMG] For frame of reference they were primarily used on MiG-27s.

[QUOTE=Frost 31;42762960]On the topic of Russian Rotary Cannons, I need to talk about the GSh-6-30. Now, taken as an individual weapon system it is pretty impressive. A max rate of fire around 6000 rounds per minute, fires a nice 30x165 mm round, and was originally designed to be used on Russian ships as part of an anti-missile weapon (one of the earliest CIWS systems in fact). That's right, it's designed to be used on ships. So the Russians, in their infinite wisdom, decided to put it on jets. I'll let some wanker from 4chan sum up how that worked out, [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/F0KQV9Q.jpg[/IMG] For frame of reference they were primarily used on MiG-27s.[/QUOTE] Our lights keep breaking when we fire our guns, how do we fix this? Remove the lights. Genius. [editline]5th November 2013[/editline] I will, however, argue that the most insane case of 'let's put it on a plane' is the [URL="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/M102_howitzer.jpg"]M102[/URL] of the good ol' AC-130. Mostly because it's a fuckin' crew-served howizer stuck into a plane, then pointed at the ground. [editline]5th November 2013[/editline] [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/AC-130U_Aerial_Gunners.jpg/800px-AC-130U_Aerial_Gunners.jpg[/IMG] Seriously. Artillery is cool, planes are cool. Why not make an [I]artillery battery with wings[/I]?

[QUOTE=Riller;42763022]Our lights keep breaking when we fire our guns, how do we fix this? Remove the lights. Genius. [editline]5th November 2013[/editline] I will, however, argue that the most insane case of 'let's put it on a plane' is the [URL="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/M102_howitzer.jpg"]M102[/URL] of the good ol' AC-130. Mostly because it's a fuckin' crew-served howizer stuck into a plane, then pointed at the ground. [editline]5th November 2013[/editline] [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/AC-130U_Aerial_Gunners.jpg/800px-AC-130U_Aerial_Gunners.jpg[/IMG] Seriously. Artillery is cool, planes are cool. Why not make an [I]artillery battery with wings[/I]?[/QUOTE] Hah, I raise you a CH-47 C with [b][i] twin mounted XM204 105mm howitzers [/b][/i] [url]http://sobchak.wordpress.com/tag/aerial-artillery-design-study-two-externally-mounted-xm204-howitzers-on-a-ch-47c-helicopter/[/url] [img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_IxH28bN9NuZvALFHSA3SqMrAt2sP93hTHJimbzqtkrxTxJ1N9Q[/img]

[QUOTE=MAC21500;42766224]Hah, I raise you a CH-47 C with [b][i] twin mounted XM205 105mm howitzers [/b][/i] [url]http://sobchak.wordpress.com/tag/aerial-artillery-design-study-two-externally-mounted-xm204-howitzers-on-a-ch-47c-helicopter/[/url] [img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_IxH28bN9NuZvALFHSA3SqMrAt2sP93hTHJimbzqtkrxTxJ1N9Q[/img][/QUOTE] I had a design in my mind floating around for this, but different. Mounted inside the body, and removing the left side of the cockpit for the barrel. Anyway, that thing there wasn't ever build or tested, doesn't count quite as much. Still awesome. Worst thing about the AC-130 is that I feel like a CoDtard whenever I mention it.

That helicopter gave me an idea. Mount a bunch of those russian naval cannons onto a helicopter body, remove the blades, have it hover by the sheer power of recoil brb going to patent office

[QUOTE=Drury;42766541]That helicopter gave me an idea. Mount a bunch of those russian naval cannons onto a helicopter body, remove the blades, have it hover by the sheer power of recoil brb going to patent office[/QUOTE] I believe this is relevant: [url]http://what-if.xkcd.com/21/[/url] He talks about using the GSh-6-30 at the end.

[QUOTE=Riller;42754438]Post about boolet.[/QUOTE] My mothers boyfriend still brags how the American troops stationed in Holland (80s) loved the sight of 7.62 compared to their puny 5.56. Also.. the FAL compared to the M16 kinda fucked their ego's. Anyho, thought I'd drop in to deliver these two pics I liked. [t]http://24.media.tumblr.com/0ea590e28d7f3c19b09d3de8d1c9e12a/tumblr_mt8cvzJMBJ1sg08cqo1_1280.jpg[/t] [t]http://24.media.tumblr.com/0fedd305f9a7b32d1c4db7dac2d9dd32/tumblr_mvqj6jYBi41qf1wulo1_1280.jpg[/t] Clicky fullsize etc etc.

[QUOTE=Sableye;42762126]why bring two guns when you can just bring a gun that has two guns? also wouldn't using two of those pistols simultaniously like...blow off your hands or break your wrists?[/QUOTE] Not if you're [b]Josey fucking Wales[/b] Also each Walker weighs as much as four Glocks so I'd imagine the weight would balance out somewhat

[QUOTE=arthuro12;42769132] Also.. the FAL compared to the M16 kinda fucked their ego's. [/QUOTE] I'll take the one that can be fired in full auto without turning into an AA gun, personally.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42769572]I'll take the one that can be fired in full auto without turning into an AA gun, personally.[/QUOTE] Seriously, stop perpetuating that B.S. FALs aren't like M14s on F/A. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvlsrgL_Plg[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m7lLzEwTFA[/media]

Dunno why, but I liked the original MP5 that the SAS used in the iranian siege. [img]http://i3.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article1377203.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/SAS%20Assault%20on%20Iranian%20Embassy-1377203[/img]

[QUOTE=MAC21500;42766224]Hah, I raise you a CH-47 C with [b][i] twin mounted XM204 105mm howitzers [/b][/i] [url]http://sobchak.wordpress.com/tag/aerial-artillery-design-study-two-externally-mounted-xm204-howitzers-on-a-ch-47c-helicopter/[/url] [img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_IxH28bN9NuZvALFHSA3SqMrAt2sP93hTHJimbzqtkrxTxJ1N9Q[/img][/QUOTE] [t]http://gunsagogo.org/0002/0002/lateNam/0193x.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/qn70L.jpg[/t] with traditional brass, fully 1/2 of the bullet is wasted by the gun, with rockets we can fire the whole thing! thats 50% more projectile per buck! and thats good math anyday

[QUOTE=Sableye;42769835] [b]with traditional brass, fully 1/2 of the bullet is wasted by the gun, with rockets we can fire the whole thing! thats 50% more projectile per buck! and thats good math anyday[/b][/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGPIQ72-2Vg[/media]

[QUOTE=MAC21500;42769863][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGPIQ72-2Vg[/media][/QUOTE] Thanks a lot! I totally didn't get the reference, glad you cleared that up. Whew, I'd have been [I]so[/I] lost without you, bro.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;42769680]Seriously, stop perpetuating that B.S. FALs aren't like M14s on F/A. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvlsrgL_Plg[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m7lLzEwTFA[/media][/QUOTE] Call me when they're not using modernized DSA FALs with foregrips and letting only just enough gas into the gas tube to cycle the bolt. using something like that as evidence would be like saying ariskas aren't shit and using a modernized one with a US made steel receiver, free floating barrel, and polymer stock, as evidence. 7.62x51 is not as controllable a round as 5.56x45 is, thats a fact of life you can't get away from.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42770203]Call me when they're not using modernized DSA FALs with foregrips and letting only just enough gas into the gas tube to cycle the bolt. using something like that as evidence would be like saying ariskas aren't shit and using a modernized one with a US made steel receiver, free floating barrel, and polymer stock, as evidence. 7.62x51 is not as controllable a round as 5.56x45 is, thats a fact of life you can't get away from.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying F/A FALs are as controllable as 5.56 F/A rifles, I'm just saying that FALs in F/A aren't uncontrollable AA rifles like Mr. Atwater on the Military Channel likes to assert...

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42770203]Call me when they're not using modernized DSA FALs with foregrips and letting only just enough gas into the gas tube to cycle the bolt. using something like that as evidence would be like saying ariskas aren't shit and using a modernized one with a US made steel receiver, free floating barrel, and polymer stock, as evidence. 7.62x51 is not as controllable a round as 5.56x45 is, thats a fact of life you can't get away from.[/QUOTE] It also doesn't really need to be as controllable, though, since you're gonna have a hell of a lot harder time getting back up from a single 7.62 hit than 5.56. Not to say that 5.56 is some pussy round and it's the reason the U.S. haven't won a single war since Korea, but 7.62 just is objectively a hell of a lot more powerful. [editline]6th November 2013[/editline] Now, of course, there are numerous reasons why 7.62 has largely been replaced by 5.56, it is by no means an objectively better all-round round. Ammo weight is a major factor, since you can carry three tiems as much loaded 5.56 as you can 7.62 for the same weight. This gives you a larger potential for shooting a lot (unless you're German and have a G36, in which case you're shit outta luck), and it's a science fact that a single .22lr that hits is worth a hell of a lot more than a whole burst from a GAU-8 that misses.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;42770333]I'm not saying F/A FALs are as controllable as 5.56 F/A rifles, I'm just saying that FALs in F/A aren't uncontrollable AA rifles like Mr. Atwater on the Military Channel likes to assert...[/QUOTE] yeah the whole "aaa gun" is an exaggeration, but a 7.62 nato battlerifle is going to have a shit load more muzzle rise and felt recoil than just about any 5.56 nato rifle would. Theres a reason the UK had all their FALs restricted to S/A rather than F/A like the Argentinians.

[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/HMS_Orion_%28A201%29.jpg[/t] Sweden Strong.

Here's something curious: [img]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/pix1744222341.jpg[/img] What looks to be a STEN receiver mounted onto a modified (broken?) AR-15 lower. Interesting, if grossly impractical.

Still better then the original STEN design