Coolest/Ugliest Weapons V5 - Bullpup AKs are the best

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=MAC21500;42783431]Outdated? The operation of firearms hasn't changed much since the AK was conceived, and by that logic, everything is outdated compared to caseless ammunition weapons.
Besides, all they keep doing to the M16 is adding rails and ergonomic enhancements, and woop-de-do, gas piston operation. Whats wrong with ergonomically updating the AK series?[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say that all firearms are outdated in comparison to caseless firearms, because there really aren't that many well-working caseless firearms. Thats like saying that ship-mounted cannons are outdated because we have very early rail-guns.

Theres nothing wrong with updating AKM's, but when you fully update it, it's not really an AKM anymore. What you have is either an AK-10* or an AK-12 which isn't radically different, but it's not an AKM or AK-74M anymore. The thing with the M-16 platform, is that it's also pretty outdated. When you compare it to other competitors, they typically beat it out, at least as far as reliability goes. Only reason it hasn't been replaced is because it's cheaper to buy a rail system for every M-16 and call it good rather than buying 2 million brand new SCAR variants and retraining an entire military.

[MAC21500]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42783516]I wouldn't say that all firearms are outdated in comparison to caseless firearms, because there really aren't that many well-working caseless firearms. Thats like saying that ship-mounted cannons are outdated because we have very early rail-guns.

Theres nothing wrong with updating AKM's, but when you fully update it, it's not really an AKM anymore. What you have is either an AK-10* or an AK-12 which isn't radically different, but it's not an AKM or AK-74M anymore. The thing with the M-16 platform, is that it's also pretty outdated. When you compare it to other competitors, they typically beat it out, at least as far as reliability goes. Only reason it hasn't been replaced is because it's cheaper to buy a rail system for every M-16 and call it good rather than buying 2 million brand new SCAR variants and retraining an entire military.[/QUOTE]

I guess that is the point I'm arguing, at what point does improvement become and "update"; what does the SCAR have over the M16? Not a hell of a lot, heck, I'd say the XCR has more over the M16 than the SCAR does. My point is, is the AK outdated because it doesn't have integral rails, free-floated, match grade barrel and trigger to match with 1 MOA accuracy? Because it lacks modularity compared to the M16 series (though I'd dare say, the M16 is much more modular than modern bullpups...)?

[MegaChalupa]

[QUOTE=MAC21500;42783881]I guess that is the point I'm arguing, at what point does improvement become and "update"; what does the SCAR have over the M16? Not a hell of a lot, heck, I'd say the XCR has more over the M16 than the SCAR does. My point is, is the AK outdated because it doesn't have integral rails, free-floated, match grade barrel and trigger to match with 1 MOA accuracy? Because it lacks modularity compared to the M16 series (though I'd dare say, the M16 is much more modular than modern bullpups...)?[/QUOTE]

The SCAR is far more reliable than the M16, is lighter, more silencer friendly, easier to service, more compact, and you can change out different barrels easily without having to switch to a different upper.

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=MAC21500;42783881]I guess that is the point I'm arguing, at what point does improvement become and "update"; what does the SCAR have over the M16? Not a hell of a lot, heck, I'd say the XCR has more over the M16 than the SCAR does. My point is, is the AK outdated because it doesn't have integral rails, free-floated, match grade barrel and trigger to match with 1 MOA accuracy? Because it lacks modularity compared to the M16 series (though I'd dare say, the M16 is much more modular than modern bullpups...)?[/QUOTE]

The SCAR isn't necessarily the perfect platform to replace the M-16, it was just an example. IMO, the AKM platform is outdated because of it's awful trigger, lever safety, heavy felt recoil for an intermediate cartridge, lever-mag-release, and lack of modularity. Thats not to say that the AKM isn't a good weapon, because all things considered, when you look at the rifle for what it is, it really is just a great firearm and I've loved every AK I've owned. But it's the 2013 now and theres better military firearms out there.

[Riller]

[IMG]http://www.onpointsupply.com/images/sig_556_classic_swat_3.jpg[/IMG]

Best AK variant.

[Trunk Monkay]

hey thats not funny

[Riller]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42784868]hey thats not funny[/QUOTE]

But it is true.

[Skelosk]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVVmNcqVqWI[/media]
Nuff said

[lolz3]

What is this thing? Why does it exist?

[IMG]http://www.armywtfmoments.com/wp-content/uploads/wtf-guns-500-8.jpg[/IMG]

[Drury]

[QUOTE=DEMONSKUL;42786173][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVVmNcqVqWI[/media]
Nuff said[/QUOTE]

Here's how you fire it:

[img]http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t363/forumgifs1/kopps.gif[/img]

[asteroidrules]

[QUOTE=lolz3;42788771]What is this thing? Why does it exist?

[IMG]http://www.armywtfmoments.com/wp-content/uploads/wtf-guns-500-8.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Looks like a broken image, and my guess would be it exists because you hotlinked to a site that doesn't like hotlinking.

[Paul-Simon]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42696137]yeah airsoft can be used as a training platform but so can fucking lazer tag or paintball. I personally hate the airshit community because of idiots removing the orange tips because they think it gives them an absolutely insignificant handicap on a make believe battlefield or for the sake of realism with their plastic AKM bb guns. Taking the orange tip off is the equivalent of driving on a country road at night with no headlights.[/QUOTE]

In Norway and probably many other countries, orange tips aren't even enforced by law so airsoft guns usually don't have them.

And I'd remove mine if there was one, I mean hell I also want it to look good.

[MAC21500]

ITS HABBENNING!
The first 3D metal printed gun, is a 1911 made by Solid Concepts via DMLS (metal laser sintering):

[url]http://www.recoilweb.com/just-printed-solid-concepts-3d-printed-metal-1911-35037.html[/url]
[img]http://www.recoilweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Solid-Concepts-3D-printed-1911-618x412.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.recoilweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Solid-Concepts-3D-printed-1911-disassembled.jpg[/img]

[kaine123]

Doesn't the distinction seem arbitrary as it's made out of the same stuff and it's arguably more difficult and expensive than actually just obtaining it legally (or illegally?)

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=kaine123;42794579]Doesn't the distinction seem arbitrary as it's made out of the same stuff and it's arguably more difficult and expensive than actually just obtaining it legally (or illegally?)[/QUOTE]

Assuming we'll soon have 3d printers in every household, printing something like that would be easier than going to a gun shop and purchasing one or going through other illegal methods, probably a lot cheaper too. The issue is is that it's materials probably aren't going to be as strong aren't going to be as strong as something milled directly from a slab of steel or aluminum.

[editline]8th November 2013[/editline]

Personally I'm more interested in printing small parts, rather than frames or entire firearms. The ability to print out a spare firing pin or magazine spring would save a shit load of money.

[urbanmonkey]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42794725]Assuming we'll soon have 3d printers in every household, printing something like that would be easier than going to a gun shop and purchasing one or going through other illegal methods, probably a lot cheaper too. The issue is is that it's materials probably aren't going to be as strong aren't going to be as strong as something milled directly from a slab of steel or aluminum.

[editline]8th November 2013[/editline]

Personally I'm more interested in printing small parts, rather than frames or entire firearms. The ability to print out a spare firing pin or magazine spring would save a shit load of money.[/QUOTE]

Idk why I read "aluminum" as "uranium" but now I'm imagining a 1911 made of solid depleted uranium

[kaze4159]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42794725]Assuming we'll soon have 3d printers in every household, printing something like that would be easier than going to a gun shop and purchasing one or going through other illegal methods, probably a lot cheaper too. The issue is is that it's materials probably aren't going to be as strong aren't going to be as strong as something milled directly from a slab of steel or aluminum.

[editline]8th November 2013[/editline]

Personally I'm more interested in printing small parts, rather than frames or entire firearms. The ability to print out a spare firing pin or magazine spring would save a shit load of money.[/QUOTE]

I think "soon" is a bit generous for these kinds of 3D printers :v:

[img]http://wpcore.mpf.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/IMG_0202.jpg[/img]

[Trunk Monkay]

Youd be surprised how quickly technology gets tinier. It was only 10 years ago that clam shell/flip phones first hit the market and [URL="https://lh6.ggpht.com/q3Z04rZK0xj0LsWZo9JZ-RF6FHeqIri-HJpDmNeQ7ObM2xzXZi532gclw37InkgTRVU=h900"]these[/URL] were mind blowing realistic graphics.

[editline]8th November 2013[/editline]

and only ~16 years ago that [URL="http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/1/13692/1386568-ijhbm.jpg"]graphics this good[/URL] was just insanity

[Drury]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42795847]Youd be surprised how quickly technology gets tinier. It was only 10 years ago that clam shell/flip phones first hit the market and [URL="https://lh6.ggpht.com/q3Z04rZK0xj0LsWZo9JZ-RF6FHeqIri-HJpDmNeQ7ObM2xzXZi532gclw37InkgTRVU=h900"]these[/URL] were mind blowing realistic graphics.[/QUOTE]

Vice City never had mindblowing graphics. In fact, I can't think of a single GTA that looked exceptionally good at the time of release. GTA 1 - criticised for lowres graphics, GTA 2 - criticised for 2.5D view, GTA 3 - not exceptionally nice to look at, every other GTA 3 engine game - outdated graphics engine, GTA IV - decent for it's time, not great though, GTA V - console syndrome.

[M.Ciaster]

[QUOTE=Drury;42797949]Vice City never had mindblowing graphics. In fact, I can't think of a single GTA that looked exceptionally good at the time of release. GTA 1 - criticised for lowres graphics, GTA 2 - criticised for 2.5D view, GTA 3 - not exceptionally nice to look at, every other GTA 3 engine game - outdated graphics engine, GTA IV - decent for it's time, not great though, GTA V - console syndrome.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'd say that if you're looking for graphics that were mindblowing in 2003, Max Payne 2's more like it. Hell, it still looks decent-ish. Trunk's point still stands, though.

[Trunk Monkay]

I always thought vice city's graphics were pretty mind blowing considering the size of the game world.
anyway, have a pretty picture of a Rhino
[img]http://i.imgur.com/VLRJeoD.jpg?2[/img]

[Sableye]

[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;42794882]Idk why I read "aluminum" as "uranium" but now I'm imagining a 1911 made of solid depleted uranium[/QUOTE]

thatd probably be the toughest gun imaginable to make considering the 1911 is made from milled steel and milling DU i'd imagine to be 100x more difficult

also itd probably give you testicular cancer if you carried it around for years.... think about it... weakly radioactive metal...next to your crotch....

[Nerts]

It's DU fairly brittle? might explode into shards when fired

[Sableye]

[QUOTE=Drury;42797949]Vice City never had mindblowing graphics. In fact, I can't think of a single GTA that looked exceptionally good at the time of release. GTA 1 - criticised for lowres graphics, GTA 2 - criticised for 2.5D view, GTA 3 - not exceptionally nice to look at, every other GTA 3 engine game - outdated graphics engine, GTA IV - decent for it's time, not great though, GTA V - console syndrome.[/QUOTE]
VC had dynamic lighting something games hadn't gotten into yet in 2003, the engine couldn't handle much texture wise, but them lights were defiantly pretty, also it had smooth metal textures instead of just blocky textures. it was fairly good for the time
[t]http://media.gtanet.com/images/2569.jpg[/t]
this is good compairing to HL1 and other games of that era

[t]http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6851/scamp.jpg[/t]
have a look at this little scamp, it was ment to replace the 1911, but the army didn't need a selectably automatic pistol.

[Jagur]

k guys just an update bought a couple bricks of DU and a mill.

[Sableye]

[QUOTE=Rents;42801305]It's DU fairly brittle? might explode into shards when fired[/QUOTE]

it better not be, thats what they use to pierce tanks with....

[Jagur]

wait so sabot rounds have DU in them?

[editline]8th November 2013[/editline]

oh shit

[Sableye]

du's density is 19.1 g/cm3

for comparison....
steel is somewhere between 7 and 8.05 g/cm3

however if you could, tungston would make an unbreakable firearm comming in at
[B]19.25 g·cm^3[/B] but its relatively expensive and far more difficult to work with than DU in metalic form

[Trunk Monkay]

I've got a tungsten tank shell, its p fuckin heavy

[Kuiper]

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