Coolest/Ugliest Weapons V5 - Bullpup AKs are the best - General

[QUOTE=Riller;43580749]How the hell are you meant to pull that trigger?[/QUOTE] Very carefully.

[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;43580201]Also Cromwells are hot: [t]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7062/6969396645_b2501b7b3c_o.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]i don't know that much about tanks but the turret doesn't look very safe with its almost perfectly cuboid design. wouldn't a round punch through that ridiculously easily?

[QUOTE=Joazzz;43581005]i don't know that much about tanks but the turret doesn't look very safe with its almost perfectly cuboid design. wouldn't a round punch through that ridiculously easily?[/QUOTE] Sloped armor kinda didn't become a thing before mid-WWII, and the British were notoriously slow to pick up on new tech back then.

I always liked the look of rivets on Brit tanks, though I believe they were supposedly terrible because they had a tendency of becoming shrapnel once the tank was hit?

And here's the Cromwell equivelant of the Sherman Firefly: the Comet tank [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Comet_tank_1.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;43581580]And here's the Cromwell equivelant of the Sherman Firefly: the Comet tank [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Comet_tank_1.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] The Firefly was nowhere near as good as the Comet. The comet was faster than both the cromwell and the sherman and had more armour too if i remember correctly.

[QUOTE=DrugUnit;43581743]The Firefly was nowhere near as good as the Comet. The comet was faster than both the cromwell and the sherman and had more armour too if i remember correctly.[/QUOTE] plus it obviously has a lower silhouette than the sherman

[QUOTE=Araknid;43581748]plus it obviously has a lower silhouette than the sherman[/QUOTE] Lower than the Cromwell too.

[QUOTE=DrugUnit;43581743]The Firefly was nowhere near as good as the Comet. The comet was faster than both the cromwell and the sherman and had more armour too if i remember correctly.[/QUOTE] I meant in the sense that they did the same thing with the Cromwell as the Sherman, namely, adding a 17 pounder gun (+ the 102mm armor). I know that the Comet was faster and that its silhoutte was lower.

[QUOTE=Riller;43577159]Just a quick little highlight of British brilliance in WWII.. We all know the Sherman Firefly, regular ol' Shermie mounting a 17-pounder gun, only tank in 1944 the allies had that could go head-to-head with a Panther or Tiger and win. Before D-day, the Germans knew that Shermans were kinda no biggie for their own high-end tanks. Soon after D-day, however, they learned that Shermans with big, fuck-off guns [I]were[/I] a major threat, and instructions were put out to target Fireflies as first priority. To counter this, the Brits decided to camouflage the barrels' ends, so they'd look like a regular 76mm Shermie from a distance. In addition to this, some 76mm Shermans would get hollow metal tubing welded onto the turret-mantle, extending far beyond the stubby barrel, to give the impression of a 17-pounder gun to make a regular, harmless Sherman into a high-priority target, while the dangerous Firefly with counter-shaded barrel would seem like a low-priority 76mm. Pretty clever, pretty clever.[/QUOTE] mind trick are one of the coolest parts about ww2, I mean we had aircraft that we stuck broom handles to the side to just to give the look of being armed, we used spotlights and some tin cans to convince the Germans they were over a burning city and should drop their bombs, and even fooled the German radio guidance system using allegedly an xray machine rigged up to a radio to broadcast a false lock on the target. then there was the inflatable army too [editline]18th January 2014[/editline] [quote] Efforts to block the Knickebein headache were brilliant in their simplicity, and aptly codenamed "Aspirin". Initially, modified medical diathermy sets transmitted interference, but later, on nights where raids were expected, local radio transmitters broadcast an extra "dot signal" at low power.[12] The German practice of turning on the beams long before the bombers reached the target area aided the British efforts. Avro Ansons fitted with receivers would be flown around the country in an attempt to capture the beams' location, a successful capture would then be reported to nearby broadcasters. Thus the beam was seemingly "bent" away from the target. Eventually, the beams could be inclined by a controlled amount which enabled the British to fool the Germans into dropping their bombs where they wanted them. A side effect was that as the German crews had been trained to navigate solely by the beams, many crews failed to find either the true equi-signal or Germany again.[13] Some Luftwaffe bombers even landed at RAF bases, believing they were back in the Reich[/quote]

[QUOTE=Sableye;43582143]mind trick are one of the coolest parts about ww2, I mean we had aircraft that we stuck broom handles to the side to just to give the look of being armed, we used spotlights and some tin cans to convince the Germans they were over a burning city and should drop their bombs, and even fooled the German radio guidance system using allegedly an xray machine rigged up to a radio to broadcast a false lock on the target. then there was the inflatable army too [editline]18th January 2014[/editline][/QUOTE] We also at one point [url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Martin]dropped a dead bum in the ocean[/url] to fool the Axis powers into thinking we were attacking Italy from the opposite side of the country.

[QUOTE=Riller;43580749]How the hell are you meant to pull that trigger?[/QUOTE] I think you wrap your hand around the space behind the trigger.

[QUOTE=noneshallpass;43583381]I think you wrap your hand around the space behind the trigger.[/QUOTE] Which gives you an upwards-angled trigger-pull, where the trigger seems to be made to be pulled backwards.

[QUOTE=Riller;43583557]Which gives you an upwards-angled trigger-pull, where the trigger seems to be made to be pulled backwards.[/QUOTE] yeah, that makes sense, I just can't think of any other way to hold it.

[QUOTE=Riller;43583557]Which gives you an upwards-angled trigger-pull, where the trigger seems to be made to be pulled backwards.[/QUOTE] it works calm down.

[QUOTE=Jagur;43583977]it works calm down.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/650x488xsix12-shotgun-attachment.jpg.pagespeed.ic.zGsWiHwdoK.jpg[/IMG] I guess this is better. Also gives you a stubby front-grip for regular shooting.

also makes it more bulky, I prefer the upward trigger pull, it's for blasting door locks ffs.

[QUOTE=Jagur;43584337]also makes it more bulky, I prefer the upward trigger pull, it's for blasting door locks ffs.[/QUOTE] Which means what grip you want really comes down to if you'd have mounted a VFG on your rifle in any case.

forward grips are always horrible. [editline]18th January 2014[/editline] and in that lowered position it's worse, it's just better to have a cupped grip.

[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5636656/CAT_LunarSoftware_01.jpg[/img] The CAT from Routine, which is a tool first and a rather ineffective gun second, sporting some sort of blaster, a low-light camera and space bluetooth allowing wireless access to computers at short range.

[QUOTE=Jagur;43584901]forward grips are always horrible. [editline]18th January 2014[/editline] and in that lowered position it's worse, it's just better to have a cupped grip.[/QUOTE] No, you [i]want[/i] a forward pg for this thing, I checked it out at SHOT; 20lb trigger pull because you're rotating the cylinder and pushing a tube back to cover the cylinder tube so that gas doesnt blow out the sides. Granted, that isn't a production model and they aren't projected out for a while, I would assume it is under revision.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;43585536]No, you [i]want[/i] a forward pg for this thing, I checked it out at SHOT; 20lb trigger pull because you're rotating the cylinder and pushing a tube back to cover the cylinder tube so that gas doesnt blow out the sides.[/QUOTE] holy fuck

On the subject of fake guns and the CAT posted above. I really like the design of Tediore guns from Borderlands 2. I'd love a futuristic game with weapons just based on that design. [sp](I haven't played BL2 so I don't know if the guns stay true to the concept. Also sucks they are considered the "Walmart guns")[/sp] [t]http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-23/art/bl2-tediore-weapons.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Rents;43584994][img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5636656/CAT_LunarSoftware_01.jpg[/img] The CAT from Routine, which is a tool first and a rather ineffective gun second, sporting some sort of blaster, a low-light camera and space bluetooth allowing wireless access to computers at short range.[/QUOTE] The cardboard box is a nice touch.

The Rapier, Spanish Hilt [t]http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/290/a/f/spanish_cup_hilt_rapier__1__by_danelli_armouries-d6qtysk.jpg[/t] Perfect for Dueling amongst the Aristocrats. Too bad it's more of a toothpick in actual combat.

[QUOTE=Rents;43584994][IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5636656/CAT_LunarSoftware_01.jpg[/IMG] The CAT from Routine, which is a tool first and a rather ineffective gun second, sporting some sort of blaster, a low-light camera and space bluetooth allowing wireless access to computers at short range.[/QUOTE] As I recall, Routine is very 80s-future a la Alien/Aliens, so it has a pretty chunky, low-tech feel, and the CAT fits that aesthetic perfectly. [editline]19th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;43587745]The Rapier, Spanish Hilt [t]http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/290/a/f/spanish_cup_hilt_rapier__1__by_danelli_armouries-d6qtysk.jpg[/t] Perfect for Dueling amongst the Aristocrats. Too bad it's more of a toothpick in actual combat.[/QUOTE] You might be surprised. Contrary to Hollywood, swords were almost always historically used as stabbing weapons rather than slashing. The main disadvantages of a Spanish rapier, which lacks the cutting edges, would be the reduced flexibility of needing to rely on stabbing in very close combat, and the cost of a well-made one. They weren't designed as battlefield weapons but they could serve in a pinch. In fact, infantry armed with light swords and bucklers persisted into the Renaissance as a component of the forlorn hope, acting as a flanking force to support the main blocks of pike-armed infantry. Speaking of which: [IMG]http://www.badassoftheweek.com/images/31684493594/swisspikemen31.jpg[/IMG] This weapon right here might be plain, but it single-handedly turned European warfare upside-down. It ended the knight as the master of the battlefield, it ended the feudal model of assembling peasants into armies, and it began the age of the professional soldier. Such a simple weapon in the hands of men trained to use it completely overturned the traditional means of waging war and dramatically reshaped European politics.

[QUOTE=Marden;43587236]On the subject of fake guns and the CAT posted above. I really like the design of Tediore guns from Borderlands 2. I'd love a futuristic game with weapons just based on that design. [sp](I haven't played BL2 so I don't know if the guns stay true to the concept. Also sucks they are considered the "Walmart guns")[/sp][/QUOTE] Personally for BL2 weapons I preferred Dahl's aesthetic, considerably less boxy futuristic, but considerably more practical, although I did have a lot of fun with a Torque assault-rocket-minigun. Also any gun that you can't see the reload on (and wastes all your remaining ammo in the process) is a major turn-off for me. I'm a huge compulsive reloader so I like to see my guns load rather than just tossing them like overpriced grenades.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/u1jp7kv.jpg[/IMG] what's even the point

[QUOTE=kirby2112;43594232][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/u1jp7kv.jpg[/IMG] what's even the point[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.harlan-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/001.jpg[/IMG] utini

[QUOTE=kirby2112;43594232][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/u1jp7kv.jpg[/IMG] what's even the point[/QUOTE] Who doesn't want a short-range pebble firing device?