Coolest/Ugliest Weapons V5 - Bullpup AKs are the best - General

[img]https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6u6ccWEYP1r9khx4o1_1280.jpg[/img] Yes, that is a folding bayonet from a Mosin.

Nooo that poor Zastava :c

[QUOTE=Rents;43939677][img]https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6u6ccWEYP1r9khx4o1_1280.jpg[/img] Yes, that is a folding bayonet from a Mosin.[/QUOTE] [t]http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/enj0i2001/UZIwithDrum1_zps98f6affe.jpg[/t] posers gonna pose, the uzi owns them all

[QUOTE=Juniez;43939609]i thought DMRs described a functional role and battle rifles described its caliber - they're not mutually exclusive/inclusive check it out tho my avatar's like a dog version of the above[/QUOTE] This exactly, a battle rifle is basically any self-loading rifle in a full size caliber, while an assault rifle is selective fire, possessing a pistol grip, feeding from a removable magazine, and chambered in an intermediate caliber. As a result it's possible for either an assault rifle or a battle rifle to also be marksman rifles, case in point: [img]http://www.imfdb.org/images/a/a4/Mk12Mod0.jpg[/img] The Mk.12 Mod 0 Special Purpose Rifle, an AR-15 configuration that is technically an assault rifle as it fires 5.56 and can be used with an M16 lower, but is used as a marksman rifle [img]http://www.imfdb.org/images/6/6c/Svu-a_2.jpg[/img] The SVU-AS, a bullpup variation of the SVD, this is technically a battle rifle as it's selective fire 7.62R, but is again used as a marksman rifle. It could also theoretically be possible for a submachine gun to serve as a marksman rifle, as SMG just denotes pistol caliber, if there were pistol caliber rounds effective at the type of ranges a designated marksman would be engaging at. Basically terms like assault rifle, battle rifle, and submachine gun primarily denote caliber (and self-operation, but in that respect they're all about the same), while terms like marksman rifle [del]or PDW[/del] denote roll.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;43940065] It could also theoretically be possible for a submachine gun to serve as a marksman rifle, as SMG just denotes pistol caliber, if there were pistol caliber rounds effective at the type of ranges a designated marksman would be engaging at. Basically terms like assault rifle, battle rifle, and submachine gun primarily denote caliber (and self-operation, but in that respect they're all about the same), while terms like marksman rifle or PDW denote roll.[/QUOTE] All correct except the part about PDWs. A PDW is any compact firearm firing a rifle round (often miniaturized). For example, an MP5 is an SMG (9mm) while the MP7 is a PDW (4.6mm). PDWs are characterized by armor piercing characteristics, so SMGs like the MP7 and P90 are actually PDWs, as well as handguns like the Five-seveN and MP-443.

I've heard people refer to weapons in pistol calibers [img]http://www.imfdb.org/images/7/75/MP5K-PDW.jpg[/img] intermediate calibers [img]http://www.imfdb.org/images/c/c1/MagpulPDR.jpg[/img] and all sorts of proprietary calibers that nobody actually knows what they are [img]http://www.imfdb.org/images/5/57/MSMC_SMG.jpg[/img] all as PDWs, and I've heard it been said that the term does and doesn't denote caliber, so I honestly wasn't all that sure as to whether or not it related to caliber.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;43936343]"Marksman rifle" - Yesterday's battle rifle with some accurizing and a scope. The lines are somewhat blurred now; there are dedicated DM rifles, but there are DM rifles that were battle rifles and DM rifles that could be considered "Battle Rifles" if you removed the scopes and bipods. M14 used to be a battle rifle, add optics and a bipod, and it was a DMR. G3, a battle rifle, tune it up and you have an MSG-90 (DMR) or PSG-1 (Sniper rifle) PSL, SVD - dedicated DMRs HK 417, SCAR could go either way depending on the setup.[/QUOTE] SVD is a sniper rifle. года Snayperskaya Vintovka sistem'y Dragunova obraz'tsa 1963 goda (SVD-63). "Sniper Rifle, System of Dragunov, Model of the Year 1963".

[QUOTE=Kalamadea;43941527]SVD is a sniper rifle. года Snayperskaya Vintovka sistem'y Dragunova obraz'tsa 1963 goda (SVD-63). "Sniper Rifle, System of Dragunov, Model of the Year 1963".[/QUOTE] The Dragunov sniper rifle (formal Russian: Снайперская Винтовка системы Драгунова образца 1963 года Snayperskaya Vintovka sistem'y Dragunova obraz'tsa 1963 goda (SVD-63), officially "Sniper Rifle, System of Dragunov, Model of the Year 1963") is a semi-automatic sniper/designated marksman rifle chambered in 7.62×54mmR and developed in the Soviet Union. Dragunov SVD was designed not as a "standard" sniper rifle in its Western meaning of the term. In fact, main role of the SVD in Soviet / Russian Army is to extend effective range of fire of every infantry squad up to about 600 meters and to provide special fire support. [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=urbanmonkey;43939564]Not only battle rifles function as DM rifles, assault rifles can be setup as DM rifles as well: M16s, M4s, AUGs, and L86s all fire 5.56 and can are commonly outfitted to fill DMR roles.[/QUOTE] Yes, I failed to mention those, but I was trying to illustrate the difference between battle rifles and marksman rifles. As I said, and as was later stated, the terminology is not mutually exclusive, especially nowadays.

[QUOTE=Kalamadea;43941527]SVD is a sniper rifle. года Snayperskaya Vintovka sistem'y Dragunova obraz'tsa 1963 goda (SVD-63). "Sniper Rifle, System of Dragunov, Model of the Year 1963".[/QUOTE] From Wikipedia: [quote]The Dragunov was designed as a squad support weapon since, according to Soviet and Soviet-derived military doctrines, the long-range engagement ability was lost to ordinary troops when submachine guns and assault rifles (which are optimized for close-range and medium-range, rapid-fire combat) were adopted. For that reason, it was originally named Самозарядная Винтовка системы Драгунова образца 1963 года "Self-Loading Rifle, System of Dragunov, Model of the Year 1963."[/quote] P much what MAC said, the Dragunov is used as a squad support weapon, not "sniping". Someone in a squad is the designated marksman and would carry a Dragunov to extend the range of the squad as a unit. You wouldn't see someone embedded in a squad carrying an M82 because they would be virtually useless within the squad. In fact, Russia doesn't really do "sniping" the way much of the world does. For example, America employs sniper teams that go the whole nine years: camouflage, spotters, long-range rifles, stalking, etc., whereas Russia, for the most part, relies strictly on what the West would call DMRs. [quote]Starting in 2011, the Russian armed forces will establish newly developed sniper courses taking place in military district training centres. Instead of Soviet practice of mainly squad sharpshooters, which were often designated during initial training (and of whom only few become snipers per se), "new" Army snipers are to be trained intensively for 3 months (for conscripts) or longer (for contract soldiers); the program includes theory and practice of countersniper engagements, artillery spotting and coordination of air support. The first instructors are the graduates of the Solnechnogorsk sniper training centre.[/quote]

I guess I was misinformed.

[QUOTE=Kalamadea;43941804]I guess I was misinformed.[/QUOTE] Nah not really, for what it is in Russia, that's the closest thing they have to a sniper rifle. Just not what we in America would call a true sniper rifle.

[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;43941831]Nah not really, for what it is in Russia, that's the closest thing they have to a sniper rifle. Just not what we in America would call a true sniper rifle.[/QUOTE] They have sniper rifles, like the SV-98, but as listed, it seems to be used primarily by law enforcement and "counter terrorist" organizations. Although in Russia, whats really the difference between them and the army...

Mechanically and structurally, the SVD is a pretty crap DMR, too. Odd barrel twist that ain't optimal for it's caliber due to specialty ammunition capabilities and a non-floated pencil barrel puts it's potential accuracy in the bottom of what's considered 'acceptable' for Western DMRs. Still sexy as hell, though. Also, on what's a DMR or a battle-rifle, how about you take a quick look at the name? [I]Designated marksman[/i] rifle? 's the rifle you give to you designated marksman. Could be pretty much whatever, as long as the marksman is carrying it. I'm sure some crazy bugger somewhere decided to combine the DM role and the MG role, slapping an aycock on a 240B. That'd more or less make that the DMR of the squad. [editline]17th February 2014[/editline] (Or hey, maybe I've played too much BF4 and my godlike skillz with the GPMGs in that game have made me delusional?) ((Though the [I]lame ass stupid poopy-smelling M27 who also has a fat mother[/I] is confirmed to sometimes be serving the role as DMR too in squads who try to figure out just what the fuck to use the piece of crap for, so that's an 'LMG' in DMR role?))

[QUOTE=MAC21500;43941947]They have sniper rifles, like the SV-98, but as listed, it seems to be used primarily by law enforcement and "counter terrorist" organizations. Although in Russia, whats really the difference between them and the army...[/QUOTE] The difference is the army's less known for shooting civilians. Also, in regard to what Riller said, now seems like a good time to bring up this monster again: [img]http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/Weapons/50bmg914.jpg[/img] From 1967 to 2002 this was the "sniper rifle" that held the world record for longest distance confirmed kill. An M2 Browning machine gun.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;43942486]The difference is the army's less known for shooting civilians. Also, in regard to what Riller said, now seems like a good time to bring up this monster again: [img]http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/Yustax/Weapons/50bmg914.jpg[/img] From 1967 to 2002 this was the "sniper rifle" that held the world record for longest distance confirmed kill. An M2 Browning machine gun.[/QUOTE] holy shit

When I heard the term gas operated rifle when I was younger I used to think they ran on gas

[QUOTE=Ermac20;43943303]When I heard the term gas operated rifle when I was younger I used to think they ran on gas[/QUOTE] thats pretty much correct.

[QUOTE=Xombi;43944335]thats pretty much correct.[/QUOTE] I think he means gasoline.

[QUOTE=Griffster26;43944403]I think he means gasoline.[/QUOTE] You implying they don't?

[QUOTE=Riller;43942402]Mechanically and structurally, the SVD is a pretty crap DMR, too. Odd barrel twist that ain't optimal for it's caliber due to specialty ammunition capabilities and a non-floated pencil barrel puts it's potential accuracy in the bottom of what's considered 'acceptable' for Western DMRs. Still sexy as hell, though. Also, on what's a DMR or a battle-rifle, how about you take a quick look at the name? [I]Designated marksman[/i] rifle? 's the rifle you give to you designated marksman. Could be pretty much whatever, as long as the marksman is carrying it. I'm sure some crazy bugger somewhere decided to combine the DM role and the MG role, slapping an aycock on a 240B. That'd more or less make that the DMR of the squad. [editline]17th February 2014[/editline] (Or hey, maybe I've played too much BF4 and my godlike skillz with the GPMGs in that game have made me delusional?) ((Though the [I]lame ass stupid poopy-smelling M27 who also has a fat mother[/I] is confirmed to sometimes be serving the role as DMR too in squads who try to figure out just what the fuck to use the piece of crap for, so that's an 'LMG' in DMR role?))[/QUOTE] The L86 LSW was designed as a squad support mg but now it's used more as a marksman rifle

[QUOTE=Riller;43942402]Mechanically and structurally, the SVD is a pretty crap DMR, too. Odd barrel twist that ain't optimal for it's caliber due to specialty ammunition capabilities and a non-floated pencil barrel puts it's potential accuracy in the bottom of what's considered 'acceptable' for Western DMRs. Still sexy as hell, though. Also, on what's a DMR or a battle-rifle, how about you take a quick look at the name? [I]Designated marksman[/i] rifle? 's the rifle you give to you designated marksman. Could be pretty much whatever, as long as the marksman is carrying it. I'm sure some crazy bugger somewhere decided to combine the DM role and the MG role, slapping an aycock on a 240B. That'd more or less make that the DMR of the squad. [editline]17th February 2014[/editline] (Or hey, maybe I've played too much BF4 and my godlike skillz with the GPMGs in that game have made me delusional?) ((Though the [I]lame ass stupid poopy-smelling M27 who also has a fat mother[/I] is confirmed to sometimes be serving the role as DMR too in squads who try to figure out just what the fuck to use the piece of crap for, so that's an 'LMG' in DMR role?))[/QUOTE] The whole "firing from an open bolt" thing isn't conducive to long range accuracy; the weapon can provide suppressive fire beyond the effective range of the M249. I'm sure you could hit someone at 600-800m, just depends on how many bullets you need.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;43945729]The whole "firing from an open bolt" thing isn't conducive to long range accuracy; the weapon can provide suppressive fire beyond the effective range of the M249. I'm sure you could hit someone at 600-800m, just depends on how many bullets you need.[/QUOTE] Which one you talking 'bout there? I spoke of three different guns in that post. Guess you mean the 240B, though. In which case, sure, yeah; it's pretty shit at the job. At least it's not an M27, though.

[IMG]http://www.operatorchan.org/k/src/138839731756.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=kaine123;43946804][IMG]http://www.operatorchan.org/k/src/138839731756.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] And for those wondering, yes; that is the tip of the bullet you can see sticking out the front. [sp]Also, reupload it to another site, don't hotlink from *chans. Makes it super-dumb in a week when it's bumped off.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Riller;43946257]Which one you talking 'bout there? I spoke of three different guns in that post. Guess you mean the 240B, though. In which case, sure, yeah; it's pretty shit at the job. At least it's not an M27, though.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I meant the 240B, I wouldn't bother trying to hit anything with a 249 at 800m. I'm not really sure how the M27 stacks up against other purpose built 5.56 DMRs that the military uses/has used.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;43948895]Yeah, I meant the 240B, I wouldn't bother trying to hit anything with a 249 at 800m. I'm not really sure how the M27 stacks up against other purpose built 5.56 DMRs that the military uses/has used.[/QUOTE] M27 is an [air-quotes]automatic rifle[/air-quotes], but some squads decided to use it as a DMR. It really has no basis for being any more accurate than a regular M4, or any reason at all to be an advantage over an M16A4 with an ACOG, but they do it. For some reason.

[QUOTE=Riller;43949955]M27 is an [air-quotes]automatic rifle[/air-quotes], but some squads decided to use it as a DMR. It really has no basis for being any more accurate than a regular M4, or any reason at all to be an advantage over an M16A4 with an ACOG, but they do it. For some reason.[/QUOTE] It does have a free floated barrel, so it gains accuracy there, but it is piston driven, which is purportedly less accurate than a DI gun. Is it all semantics in the end? Probably. Better than a Mk. 12 SPR? Debatable.

MK12's surely look better than the M27 though.. you gotta give it that.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;43950320]It does have a free floated barrel, so it gains accuracy there, but it is piston driven, which is purportedly less accurate than a DI gun. Is it all semantics in the end? Probably. Better than a Mk. 12 SPR? Debatable.[/QUOTE] Also it got a fairly short barrel, which fucks with the 5.56's wounding-ballistics when you go beyond 400 meters. 20" is the optimal for 5.56. 14.5" is the minimum to be good at most combat ranges.

aahh guntalk [t]http://www.strangemilitary.com/images/content/12357.jpg[/t] [editline]17th February 2014[/editline] [t]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Y7kQSOBuEJw/Rub5ybB26bI/AAAAAAAAAG8/kHrzKeV0iPs/s320/AC130TracerPattern.jpg[/t] scary gunships are scary