Coolest/Ugliest Weapons V5 - Bullpup AKs are the best - General

Seems perfect for HD to me. :v:

[QUOTE=download;44146597]I like that M60 but I'd prefer a modernised MG3[/QUOTE] MG3 Kampfwertsteigerung? [img]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/660x439x2013-08-24_MG3KWS-660x439.jpg.pagespeed.ic.3n0t5pcejE.jpg[/img] Don't worry, they also make them in decent colors [img]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/660x439x2013-04-26_JPW_Infantry-Symposium_03_IMG_90611-660x439.jpg.pagespeed.ic.5noHfcxat9.jpg[/img]

MG3 is the perfect example of 'If it works, don't change it'

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;44184931]MG3 is the perfect example of 'If it works, don't change it'[/QUOTE] The Danish are trying to replace theirs because they're heavy and old. Don't really see how trading an MG3 (23+ lbs) for an HK 121/MG5 (27+ lbs) solves the problem. MG3 fires at around 1,000rpm which eats up all of that 7.62x51 ammo you humped very quickly. M60E6 is only shooting between 500-650rpm and weighs 20+ lbs.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;44185004]The Danish are trying to replace theirs because they're heavy and old. Don't really see how trading an MG3 (23+ lbs) for an HK 121/MG5 (27+ lbs) solves the problem. MG3 fires at around 1,000rpm which eats up all of that 7.62x51 ammo you humped very quickly. M60E6 is only shooting between 500-650rpm and weighs 20+ lbs.[/QUOTE] The MG3 is not only heavy, it's also horribly balanced and front-heavy as dicks. That's at least [I]one[/I] thing the M60 got going for it. It's receiver and action is right above the grip, not in front of it. It's super-unwieldy to fire from anything but it's bipod due to it's crap balance, it's heavy weight, it's bulky length and it's complete lack of anywhere for your left hand to go.

Requesting pics of those super sexy blocky AR uppers please I'll be your friend

[QUOTE=Riller;44185089]The MG3 is not only heavy, it's also horribly balanced and front-heavy as dicks. That's at least [I]one[/I] thing the M60 got going for it. It's receiver and action is right above the grip, not in front of it. It's super-unwieldy to fire from anything but it's bipod due to it's crap balance, it's heavy weight, it's bulky length and it's complete lack of anywhere for your left hand to go.[/QUOTE] GPMG's aren't going to be constantly held up by both hands, soldiers are almost always trained to fire them with the bipod deployed or have it propped on top of something. Not to mention that GPMG's are generally unwieldy to fire when standing or not using a bipod in the first place.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;44186580]GPMG's aren't going to be constantly held up by both hands, soldiers are almost always trained to fire them with the bipod deployed or have it propped on top of something. Not to mention that GPMG's are generally unwieldy to fire when standing or not using a bipod in the first place.[/QUOTE] Well, yeah? But the MG3 is unwield[I]ier[/I] than others. When I picked it up to get a feel of it, I didn't expect it to swing like an M4; but something like a M60 or 240B or something can be fired from the shoulder if needed be, where you'd be having a super hard time doing so with the MG3.

[t]http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5497/aekae.jpg[/t] A-545, currently participating in state testing, pitted against AK-12 Man, I'm liking it's looks way more than AK's

What's with the stock? Is it MP5-style sliding, but with a buttplate that needs to be rotated 180 too?

I know Japanese firearms aren't that popular here, but this revolver actually seems kinda nice [video=youtube;stZj5sGTfjM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stZj5sGTfjM[/video] Why, dear Neptune, would you replace that with these: [img]http://www.imfdb.org/images/8/80/NambuType14Pistol.jpg[/img] [video=youtube;tb1o4asc7go]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb1o4asc7go[/video]

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I've got a buddy who's got like a fetish or something for Japanese ww2 guns; and whenever I tell him how shit most of them are he's like "Well how do you know that?" aghhhh

Maybe he just hates his hands?

or his life idk

There were a few good ones. Type 99 LMG comes to mind. [t]http://home.comcast.net/~sfischer397/jap99/jap99pics/jap99right.jpg[/t] To anyone wondering why it has a scope and a bayonet, I pose you this question: Why [I]doesn't[/I] the BAR have a scope and a bayonet? It's [I]the best idea ever![/I]

[QUOTE=Garb;44194350]I've got a buddy who's got like a fetish or something for Japanese ww2 guns; and whenever I tell him how shit most of them are he's like "Well how do you know that?" aghhhh[/QUOTE] does he own any of the following: *wall scrolls *anime figurines *body pillows *anime posters *japanese flags *katanas

To anyone wondering how you scope a top-feed LMG: [IMG]http://collectorebooks.com/jamesauction/subguns/image2/34621x1.jpg[/IMG] You make the scope have a bent part.

[QUOTE=Riller;44194704]There were a few good ones. Type 99 LMG comes to mind. [t]http://home.comcast.net/~sfischer397/jap99/jap99pics/jap99right.jpg[/t] To anyone wondering why it has a bayonet[/QUOTE] well I mean it's Japanese that should clear that right up also the sights were offset hell yeah

[QUOTE=Garb;44194350]I've got a buddy who's got like a fetish or something for Japanese ww2 guns; and whenever I tell him how shit most of them are he's like "Well how do you know that?" aghhhh[/QUOTE] In fairness, the Arisaka rifle series and the Type-99 LMG were actually fairly decent for what they were, it's just that what they were was a bolt-action rifle and a Bren knockoff, and neither of those look particularly good up against the M1 Garand and the Browning Automatic.

I love bayonets in places where they don't normally go. [IMG]http://www.muetstege.com/images/uzi/uzi_page_rifle.jpg[/IMG] Yes. This was an actual Uzi model for the Dutch military. Uzi made in Israel as usual, bayonet made in Holland, apparently from modified AR10 bayonets. [editline]10th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=asteroidrules;44194834]In fairness, the Arisaka rifle series and the Type-99 LMG were actually fairly decent for what they were, it's just that what they were was a bolt-action rifle and a Bren knockoff, and neither of those look particularly good up against the M1 Garand and the Browning Automatic.[/QUOTE] Also the Arisaka Type 38 was chambered in a weak cartridge for the time, and the later model Arisaka Type 99s had a tendency to kinda explode at random, presumably as part of Japanese late-war kamikaze tactics.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;44194834]In fairness, the Arisaka rifle series and the Type-99 LMG were actually fairly decent for what they were, it's just that what they were was a bolt-action rifle and a Bren knockoff, and neither of those look particularly good up against the M1 Garand and the Browning Automatic.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the problem with WWII era Japanese weapons isn't really the design, it's the quality. They started off decent, but the further into the war, the worse they got and firing a 'last ditch' gun is pretty much a sophisticated form of russian roulette well aside from the Nambu which just straight up sucked ass just take a look at this: [img]http://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2013/01/DSCN4489_zpsa59bfb98-1.jpg[/img] early war model on the top, late war/'last ditch' rifle on the bottom [editline]10th March 2014[/editline] also ^ Uzi bayo owns

[QUOTE=M.Ciaster;44194941]Yeah, the problem with WWII era Japanese weapons isn't really the design, it's the quality. They started off decent, but the further into the war, the worse they got and firing a 'last ditch' gun is pretty much a sophisticated form of russian roulette well aside from the Nambu which just straight up sucked ass [/QUOTE] Pretty much this, Japanese guns had three main flaws to them: quality control, outdatedness, and the Type-94 pistol. Even their solid designs like the Arisaka rifles were obsolete by the start of the war, and by the end of it the "last ditch" guns were made of twigs and rocks. And then there were a few guns like Type-94 pistol and the Type-92 heavy machine gun that just plain sucked. [t]http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/d5/Japanese_Type_92_Heavy_Machine_Gun.jpg[/t] Seriously, this was Japan's heavy machine gun, it weighed over 100 pounds with the tripod, had a rate of fire of less than 500 RPM, the sights were offset for no reason other than making windage adjustments harder, and had a capacity of: 30 rounds, also these rounds had to be oiled to reduce the high chances of jamming, which led to them getting gunked up easily. This was downright pitiful compared to a Browning 1919.

[QUOTE=Garb;44194350]I've got a buddy who's got like a fetish or something for Japanese ww2 guns; and whenever I tell him how shit most of them are he's like "Well how do you know that?" aghhhh[/QUOTE] well id say the type 94 being more liable to discharge into one's thigh than into an enemy's body is strong evidence that they're shit [editline]10th March 2014[/editline] oh this has been covered already

[t]http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f24/50598d1334943633-armalite-ar-10-question-ar-10-carbine-left-view.jpg[/t] (ar-10) Everybody post early/prototype assault rifles.

k... [t]http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9724/msbs2i.jpg[/t] poland does bullpups

[t]http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/fa03-right.jpg[/t] Hue

[QUOTE=Sableye;44195244]k... [t]http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9724/msbs2i.jpg[/t] poland does bullpups[/QUOTE] we decided to stick with a glorified 5.56 AK in the end, though :v: [img]http://puu.sh/7qGlz.jpg[/img] it's got a pretty decent rep, but still this: [img]http://puu.sh/7qGwG.jpg[/img] is what we're planning on replacing it with (it's a MSBS - loosely translates to 'Modular Battle Weapon System' - basically a polish SCAR without the whole extra caliber thing)

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;44195187] [t]http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/d5/Japanese_Type_92_Heavy_Machine_Gun.jpg[/t] Seriously, this was Japan's heavy machine gun, it weighed over 100 pounds with the tripod, had a rate of fire of less than 500 RPM, and had a capacity of: 30 rounds, and these rounds had to be oiled to reduce the high chances of jamming, which led to them getting gunked up easily. This was downright pitiful compared to a Browning 1919.[/QUOTE] Oh, Japan and your silly open feed systems... I've gone over this one several times before, so I'll keep it short. [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Japanese_Type_11_LMG_from_1933_book.jpg[/t] Type 11, spring hopper feed eats Arisaka stripper clips, no reliability, theoretical infinite mag capacity prevented invasion of Mainland US, since it was banned in California and thus could not be fielded.

[QUOTE=M.Ciaster;44195286] this: [img]http://puu.sh/7qGwG.jpg[/img] is what we're planning on replacing it with (it's a MSBS - loosely translates to 'Modular Battle Weapon System' - basically a polish [b]ACR clone[/b] without the whole extra caliber thing)[/QUOTE] [editline]10th March 2014[/editline] I'm sorry, what were you saying about shitty Jap guns? [img]http://www.raidersmerciless.com/images/Rising%20Storm/Type5%20Garand%20Copy.png[/img] [img]http://www.raidersmerciless.com/images/Rising%20Storm/jap_m1.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/uploads/Tikiman001/images/2009-03-03_172039_garand_and_type_5.jpg[/img] [img]http://ww2.rediscov.com/spring/full/1900B-JPG633536159932035488.jpg[/img] The Type 4 Rifle, often referred to as the Type 5 Rifle, (Japanese: 四式自動小銃 Yon-shiki jidousyoujyuu) was a Japanese experimental semi-automatic rifle. Type: Experimental Semi-automatic rifle Place of origin: Empire of Japan Service history Used by: Imperial Japanese Army Production history Designed: 1944 Manufacturer: Yokosuka Naval Arsenal Produced: 1945 Number built: 250 Specifications Weight: 9.13 lb (4.14 kg) Length: 43.25 in (1,099 mm) Barrel length: 590 mm Cartridge: 7.7×58mm Arisaka Action: Gas-operated, rotating bolt Muzzle velocity: 2,740 ft/s (840 m/s) Feed system: 10-Round internal box magazine loaded via two 5-round stripper clips Sights: Iron It was a copy of the American M1 Garand but with an integral 10-round magazine and chambered for the Japanese 7.7×58mm Arisaka cartridge. Where the Garand used an en-bloc clip, the Type 4's integral magazine was charged with two 5-round stripper clips and the rifle also used Japanese style tangent sights. The Type 4 had been developed alongside several other experimental semi-automatic rifles. However, none of the rifles entered into service before the end of World War II, with only 250 being made and many others were never assembled. There were several problems with jamming and feed systems, which also delayed its testing. Japan's wartime production of semi-automatic rifles was restricted to experimental and prototype models. Shortly before the war's end, the Imperial Navy produced the Type 5 rifle, a 7.7mm caliber copy of the American M1 Garand which featured a 10-round box magazine rather than the M1's 8-round en bloc clip. These were also manufactured in extremely limited numbers. An example of this rifle is in the National Firearms Museum, Virginia, USA.