Coolest/Ugliest Weapons V5 - Bullpup AKs are the best - General

[QUOTE=MAC21500;44792084][img]http://iwantthatknife.com/Gallery/albums/EBR/fal_5_001.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Looks interesting. Like a poor man's PSG-1.

[QUOTE=Riller;44792113]I meant real variants, not civie mods. Also, those pistol-pictures are horizontally compressed to make it look shorter :v: Look at the mag's width.[/QUOTE] Except for the last one, they are all factory variants. The pistol has an 8" barrel and that OSW has an 11" barrel. [editline]12th May 2014[/editline] DSA definitely markets these as police/military rifles: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmJhFIPKmcc[/media]

[QUOTE=MAC21500;44792143]Except for the last one, they are all factory variants. The pistol has an 8" barrel and that OSW has an 11" barrel. Less compressed: [img]http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/SA58TACPISTOL.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Factory variants doesn't mean that they're a true FAL version. No one ever adopted the FAL as an SMG or as a proper marksman rifle. It was always just a battle rifle and nothing else beyond that. G3 is everything, lemme just cook up a morphology-tree...

[QUOTE=Riller;44792200]Factory variants doesn't mean that they're a true FAL version. No one ever adopted the FAL as an SMG or as a proper marksman rifle. It was always just a battle rifle and nothing else beyond that. G3 is everything, lemme just cook up a morphology-tree...[/QUOTE] W/E, thought you meant they didn't make other versions; adopting the other versions is totally different. Why would they adopt the FAL anyways with the SCAR 17 available?

[QUOTE=MAC21500;44792291]W/E, thought you meant they didn't make other versions; adopting the other versions is totally different. Why would they adopt the FAL anyways with the SCAR 17 available?[/QUOTE] Because it wasn't in the 60's. Also, G3 morphology chart. [t]http://i.imgur.com/Yn1GVwS.jpg[/t] Thumbed for big. I decided to limit myself to major variations, so I excluded experimentals and prototypes, spec-ops variants, all but one international variant, the marksman-G3A3, MP5 caliber variants, trigger group variants, civilian variants, pistol gimmicks and so forth. Only picked the majorly different ones, y'know. [editline]12th May 2014[/editline] Oh, before you bitch and moan that the MSG-90 is later than the PSG-1 and so forth, it's a [I]morphology[/I] chart, not [I]evolution[/I] chart. The closer to the original G3 you are, the higher on the chart you go. I guess I did fuck up putting the 5K above 5K-PDW, though.

the Nagant revolver is so quiet when used with a suppressor. I mean, there's not a lot of action going on in a revolver save for the hammer and turret. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvF4yurWSc0[/media]

[QUOTE=Rents;44790035][video=youtube;OEEEy1dMceI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEEEy1dMceI[/video][/QUOTE] This is what they're parodying if you've never seen it done seriously: Skip to 4:26 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6Ta8t16lrk[/media] Happens about 0:12 in: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfW8sJTqhAw[/media]

[video=youtube;gOtSJhSyw5A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOtSJhSyw5A[/video] Nagant revolver reload with Sleight of Hand Pro perk.

I'm still fairly sure the fastest way to reload that thing is to have a second cylinder on standby, and then just disassemble the weapon and swap them out.

im fairly sure the fastest way to reload that thing is to chuck it at the enemy and grab a fresh one

Anyone else enjoy the look of an AK with a GP-25 on it? [IMG]http://gunsru.ru/images/granatomet/gp-25_AK.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.scenicreflections.com/files/AK 74 assault rifle with grenade launcher Wallpaper__yvt2.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.boomarms.com/collector/AK74-GP25/4.jpg[/IMG] [img]http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1139/specops963333434.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Furioso;44794383]Anyone else enjoy the look of an AK with a GP-25 on it?[/QUOTE] GP-25's are useful. But I really love the simplistic beauty of AK's with maybe just a good optic at the most in the way of accessories. [img_thumb]http://zenphotos.net/file/Online/SVD/Optics/1P78Kashtan_Z_SGL31_PartizanSummerRight01.JPG[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e395/9874123/906954_4974256668785_2113259648_o_zps21267da3.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e395/9874123/883701_4974256508781_839600996_o_zps11e55584.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e395/9874123/P3090216_zpsc4de36e5.jpg[/img_thumb] <3

MKEK MPT-76 [img]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/10291099_619534298138977_6936403550902934290_n.jpg[/img] Some type of Turkish HK-417 wannabe.

Not gon' lie, that magwell-grip looks comfy as fuck.

[QUOTE=Riller;44804832]Not gon' lie, that magwell-grip looks comfy as fuck.[/QUOTE] same with that pistol grip as well imo

Wouldn't be a bad looking rifle if you ditched the goofy carry handle

[img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/24bb08e64adb24dfc6a0439a67ab7a38/tumblr_mw4dyhNZ1G1ry0q3wo1_1280.jpg[/img] [img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/48dd18173d40f871dcc69bdee19d9d40/tumblr_mw4dyhNZ1G1ry0q3wo2_1280.jpg[/img] There is something about this strange creature that is weirdly alluring

Why waste all that energy kicking when you can just pump 5 slugs in a door. [img]http://37.media.tumblr.com/186b0dcf0a474aa56e22be8c591d1814/tumblr_n4lpt9B6si1skaxu8o1_400.gif[/img]

[video=youtube;gPhSxDwhTIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gPhSxDwhTIA[/video] Just found this today What I don't get is why does he have to crank it? [editline]14th May 2014[/editline] -_- fucking tags won't work again

I'm guessing because the spring the bolt rides on is a big motherfucker and pulling it by hand wasn't considered practical

[QUOTE=DEMONSKUL;44805745][video=youtube;gPhSxDwhTIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gPhSxDwhTIA[/video] Just found this today What I don't get is why does he have to crank it? [editline]14th May 2014[/editline] -_- fucking tags won't work again[/QUOTE] Hang on a sec...anyone else seeing a striking general similarity between that things receiver and that of Fallouts Gauss rifle? [img]http://files.sharenator.com/Screen_shot_2011_01_24_at_7_43_51_PM-s935x242-128182-580.png[/img]

[QUOTE=11meister;44806310]Hang on a sec...anyone else seeing a striking general similarity between that things receiver and that of Fallouts Gauss rifle? [img]http://files.sharenator.com/Screen_shot_2011_01_24_at_7_43_51_PM-s935x242-128182-580.png[/img][/QUOTE] I thought that was well known.

[QUOTE=DEMONSKUL;44805745][video=youtube;gPhSxDwhTIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gPhSxDwhTIA[/video] Just found this today What I don't get is why does he have to crank it? [editline]14th May 2014[/editline] -_- fucking tags won't work again[/QUOTE] They have the semi auto setting (gas system) turned off to save the brass because its not made anymore and they hand reload it. [editline]14th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Sitkero;44805320][img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/24bb08e64adb24dfc6a0439a67ab7a38/tumblr_mw4dyhNZ1G1ry0q3wo1_1280.jpg[/img] [img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/48dd18173d40f871dcc69bdee19d9d40/tumblr_mw4dyhNZ1G1ry0q3wo2_1280.jpg[/img] There is something about this strange creature that is weirdly alluring[/QUOTE] That is the Ohio Ordnance HCAR (Heavy Combat Assault Rifle) and it is a lightened (12lbs vs the original B.A.R.s 19lbs), closed bolt, semi-auto B.A.R. They claim it does 1 MOA out past 600yds. It has a selector switch, bolt hold open and mag release similar to an AR, and take the original 20rd mags and their new 30rd mags. It has an adjustable gas system and uses a hydraulic buffer (not in the AR buffer tube) to absorb recoil. That ribbed sleeve on the suppressor is actually a very effective heat shield that allows the user to remove the suppressor when hot. I handled one of these at SHOT Show, and needless to say, I was impressed. Price point at $3-3.5K [url]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/05/08/ohio-ordinance-works-hcar-modernized-bar/[/url]

[QUOTE=MAC21500;44807739]They claim it does 1 MOA out past 600yds.[/QUOTE] I might be wrong, but isn't 1 MOA at five feet and 1 MOA at a thousand yards the exact same thing, since MOA is a measure of how much it deviates per distance traveled, not the size of a grouping at any one distance.

[QUOTE=Riller;44808101]I might be wrong, but isn't 1 MOA at five feet and 1 MOA at a thousand yards the exact same thing, since MOA is a measure of how much it deviates per distance traveled, not the size of a grouping at any one distance.[/QUOTE] Yes and no, 1 MOA at 100yds is 1" while 1 MOA at 600yds is 6"; this gun is sub MOA at 100yds, but shoots MOA at 600+, but it is a measure of deviation. [url]http://nssf.org/video/facts/MOA.cfm[/url]

[QUOTE=Riller;44808101]I might be wrong, but isn't 1 MOA at five feet and 1 MOA at a thousand yards the exact same thing, since MOA is a measure of how much it deviates per distance traveled, not the size of a grouping at any one distance.[/QUOTE] 1 MOA = about 1 inch at 100 yards. So 1 MOA at 600 yards would be about a 6 inch spread, and 1 MOA at 5 feet would be about 0.00167 inches if my math is correct.

[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;44808137]1 MOA = about 1 inch at 100 yards. So 1 MOA at 600 yards would be about a 6 inch spread, and [b] 1 MOA at 5 feet would be about 0.00167 inches if my math is correct.[/b][/QUOTE] Something like that. A Minute of Angle (MOA) is an angular measurement. A MOA is 1/60th of a degree. 1 MOA spreads about 1" per 100 yards. (actually 1.047") 1 MOA is a different size at different distances, 8" at 800 yards is still just 1 MOA.

[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;44808137]1 MOA = about 1 inch at 100 yards. So 1 MOA at 600 yards would be about a 6 inch spread, and 1 MOA at 5 feet would be about 0.00167 inches if my math is correct.[/QUOTE] But 1 MOA is 1 MOA, so specifying what range it shoots one MOA at is kinda silly, no?

[QUOTE=Riller;44808194]But 1 MOA is 1 MOA, so specifying what range it shoots one MOA at is kinda silly, no?[/QUOTE] No, because if your weapon shoots MOA at 600yds, that means its shooting sub MOA at any range under that, which means you have a very accurate weapon. Most group measuring is done at 100yds to determine accuracy.

[QUOTE=Riller;44808194]But 1 MOA is 1 MOA, so specifying what range it shoots one MOA at is kinda silly, no?[/QUOTE] No, a round's spin becomes more unstable as they slow down, so while something might be 1 MOA at 50 yards, at 500 it could tumbling and better measured in degrees than MOA.