Coolest/Ugliest Weapons V5 - Bullpup AKs are the best - General

[QUOTE=kaine123;46224798][IMG]https://33.media.tumblr.com/d5e8591a30156b06ba4cc8a5e547fb6a/tumblr_ndde30yoz81sr1lf3o1_1280.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] what's up with this upper wait oh my god is this one of these 'totes not a stock, <3 u ATF' arm braces instead of a stock there

Speaking of DMC. [t]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/1083390798448860536/A8E94838DA1E4C8A5F9BB74F6819DE93E09D46D1/[/t] Blue Rose. Essentially a S&W M500 with 2 barrels and 6-shot cylinder. Because why not?

Does it fire two rounds at once?

"As explained in Deadly Fortune the idea behind the double barrel is that the rounds fire one directly after the other: the first bullet is designed to break open the armor followed by the second bullet hitting the now exposed flesh beneath." So it kinda does.

[IMG]http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131212153747/wow/ru/images/7/78/Pit_Lord's_Glaive_TCG.jpg[/IMG] pit lord glaives from WoW are cool they can spiral magic into the blade and fire it out like a rocket :0

And while we are at it, let's just bring up Pandora. (0:55 and onward) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pUffFPTtYM[/media] Who wouldn't want a briefcase that can transform into 666 forms of deadly things?

I don't think I've wanted any weapon more than an Dragunov. Fp doesn't want to post my pictures so I was wondering if someone could dump a few on my behalf.

Just gonna assume you mean the older, wooden variants because the polymer ones look pig disgusting. [IMG]http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8gr9mjEXb1qcqs80o1_1280.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/339/3/0/svd___dragunov_by_drake_uk-d4i8b63.jpg[/IMG] Stunningly beautiful and impressively shitty rifle, it is... [editline]14th October 2014[/editline] [sp]Yes, I'm aware bottom picture is airsoft. Yes, I'm aware that those are 7.62x51 and not 7.62x54r rounds. Don't make me make this argument again.[/sp]

Can any of you identify this gun? I think it may be an NSV but I'm not too sure. [img]http://i.imgur.com/BYn8ijm.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=McTbone;46230139]Can any of you identify this gun? I think it may be an NSV but I'm not too sure. [img]http://i.imgur.com/BYn8ijm.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Looks beefier than a fiddy. I'd call KPV, prolly half of a ZPU-2 welded on to a truck. [editline]14th October 2014[/editline] [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/ZPU-1-batey-haosef-1.jpg/627px-ZPU-1-batey-haosef-1.jpg[/IMG] Or, you know. A ZPU-1. Or a quarter of a ZPU-4. [editline]14th October 2014[/editline] [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Iraqi_Police_gun-carriage.jpg/800px-Iraqi_Police_gun-carriage.jpg[/IMG] Better picture of the KPV without mount. Barrel profile and receiver size seems to match, though it lacks the thingies under the barrel, and this one doesn't have the carrying handle the ZPU-1 one does. [editline]14th October 2014[/editline] [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/ZPU-1_in_Iraq%2C_2003.JPEG/480px-ZPU-1_in_Iraq%2C_2003.JPEG[/IMG] Yeah, KPV nabbed off a ZPU-1 seems likely. This one lacks the cone flash hider, but otherwise got it all.

[QUOTE=Riller;46230235][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Iraqi_Police_gun-carriage.jpg/800px-Iraqi_Police_gun-carriage.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Leaked picture of new US Police cars for next year.

[QUOTE=Riller;46229752]Just gonna assume you mean the older, wooden variants because the polymer ones look pig disgusting. [t]http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8gr9mjEXb1qcqs80o1_1280.jpg[/t] [t]http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/339/3/0/svd___dragunov_by_drake_uk-d4i8b63.jpg[/t] Stunningly beautiful and impressively shitty rifle, it is... [editline]14th October 2014[/editline] [sp]Yes, I'm aware bottom picture is airsoft. Yes, I'm aware that those are 7.62x51 and not 7.62x54r rounds. Don't make me make this argument again.[/sp][/QUOTE] What makes it shitty? It's not a sniper rifle, it's just a marksman rifle to extend the range of infantry. With armour-piercing bullets.

[QUOTE=joost1120;46230771]What makes it shitty? It's not a sniper rifle, it's just a marksman rifle to extend the range of infantry. With armour-piercing bullets.[/QUOTE] It's relatively inaccurate, even for a DMR. Whose idea was it to make a precision weapon with a non-floated pencil-barrel, anyway?

Not to mention you can always fire a second time if you miss. The USSR and the US very different opinions on the matter of designated marksmen.

yeah it's meant to be a 'give Ivan something that shoots minute-of-bourgie-american-torso at 400m' kinda deal rather than a full on sniper rifle

Also, apparently the Russians taught their DMs to shoot the rifle holding the magazine with the sling loose to make the barrel like it was free floating.

[QUOTE=Riller;46230800]It's relatively inaccurate, even for a DMR. Whose idea was it to make a precision weapon with a non-floated pencil-barrel, anyway?[/QUOTE] Remember the old saying? "Perfection is the enemy of good enough." That was basically USSR's creed when it came to weapons production. Make it cheap, make it work, make it good enough. All the Dragunov needs is to hit a torso at beyond the range of an AK.

It hits minute-of-barn, sure, but it's a rifle laying on the bottom of it's class in pretty much every qualifier. 'Enough' is the keyword in 'good enough', not 'good'.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;46230834]Also, how precise is "precise" for you? Dragunovs can do less than 1,5' @ 100 yards with 7N1.[/QUOTE] That doesn't sound very precise to me

They should have lopped 6" off the barrel and added that weight to what's left of the barrel.

[QUOTE=opaali;46230973]That doesn't sound very precise to me[/QUOTE] Keyword here is less. It's about the same as the M24 and M110. Depending on the twist rate, it goes from 1.04 MOA to 1.24 MOA.

I love the G3 and L1A1. [img]http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as12/hk_g3a3.jpg[/img] [img]http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=53060&d=1320670529&thumb=1[/img] Hoping to get one of the two in November, and if not either of them, then something else. Maybe just an AK because they're cheaper and easier to get.

Late to the DMR argument, but nowadays modern DMs are expected to be able to engage targets out to 600 meters and suppress out to 800. The range for a US army M16 qualification is 300 meters, to give a bar of measure. To the soviets, the ability to crank out a bunch of rifles and field them to every conscript without astigmatism was the reason the Dragonov is so shit compared to say the M14 or DM modified G3. Sorry to rain on your parade but Rillers right, in the world of the DM the dragonov would be one of the worst choices to go with, unless you've got the experience to make it work at distance. Content: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oH0G5Wk.jpg[/IMG] Savage Carbine, field tested before world war 2, dumped because in the opinion of the army, and I quote 'It was hella complex' [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/itHtPvI.jpg[/IMG] A prototype scout vehicle, called the Twister, because of that dope ass modular segmentation.

Forgottenweapons.com is one of my favorite sites.

[QUOTE=snapshot32;46235056] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/itHtPvI.jpg[/IMG] A prototype scout vehicle, called the Twister, because of that dope ass modular segmentation.[/QUOTE] Looks pretty sick, can't wait for my local police department to get their hands on one.

[QUOTE=snapshot32;46235056]Late to the DMR argument, but nowadays modern DMs are expected to be able to engage targets out to 600 meters and suppress out to 800. The range for a US army M16 qualification is 300 meters, to give a bar of measure. To the soviets, the ability to crank out a bunch of rifles and field them to every conscript without astigmatism was the reason the Dragonov is so shit compared to say the M14 or DM modified G3. Sorry to rain on your parade but Rillers right, in the world of the DM the dragonov would be one of the worst choices to go with, unless you've got the experience to make it work at distance. [/QUOTE] The Army still mostly qualifies with irons or red dots on M4s/M4A1s, whereas the Marines use ACOGs on their M16A4s and qual out to 600m. Both branches have Squad Designated Marksmen however, that are tasked with, as you said, engagements out to 800m with a .30 caliber semi-automatic rifle, be it an M14EBR or an M110 SASS. The US ARMY is actually looking to replace it's M24s with the M110, while the USMC is going to replace the SR-25 and M39 (M14 EBR) with it but retain their M40A5s The SVD isn't "shit" compared to an M14 or a FAL, which are all approximately 2 MOA rifles by themselves; an accurized M14 won't hold sub MOA accuracy for a long time due to the nature of wear in the action, and this is partially why chassis are in use more so instead of glass bedding. In fact, a FAL and SVD operate the same way, save for tilting bolt v.s rotating bolt.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;46236782]The SVD isn't "shit" compared to an M14 or a FAL, which are all approximately 2 MOA rifles by themselves; an accurized M14 won't hold sub MOA accuracy for a long time due to the nature of wear in the action, and this is partially why chassis are in use more so instead of glass bedding. In fact, a FAL and SVD operate the same way, save for tilting bolt v.s rotating bolt.[/QUOTE] I didn't compare the SVD to an FAL, I know nothing on DM modified FAL's. I agree, an unmodified/glassbeadded M14 is not an effective DM rifle; I should have better worded what I meant by M14 (like in a sage chassis). Alas the SVD is not as effective as it's intended counterparts, which was the original point of this argumentative tangent.

[QUOTE=snapshot32;46236860]I didn't compare the SVD to an FAL, I know nothing on DM modified FAL's. I agree, an unmodified/glassbeadded M14 is not an effective DM rifle; I should have better worded what I meant by M14 (like in a sage chassis). Alas the SVD is not as effective as it's intended counterparts, which was the original point of this argumentative tangent.[/QUOTE] I know you didn't, but I did, because an HK type rifle is more accurate than those piston or pushrod operated rifles, especially as a DMR or sniper rifle. All I was trying to point out is that an SVD with a scope is on par with a stock M14 or FAL with a scope; I'm sure if SVDs were as common on the US market as M14s and FALs, someone would have attempted to accurize them by now and we might see comparable results between accurized rifles.

[QUOTE=MAC21500;46237259] All I was trying to point out is that an SVD with a scope is on par with a stock M14 or FAL with a scope; I'm sure if SVDs were as common on the US market as M14s and FALs, someone would have attempted to accurize them by now and we might see comparable results between accurized rifles.[/QUOTE] The M14 or FAL weren't designed with a designated marksmen role in mind yet both have comparable accuracy to the Dragunov, so comparing the Dragunov to them just sort of shows its shortcomings in its intended purpose. You shouldn't have to accurize a marksman's rifle.

The SVD might be one sexy gun but it has some serious issues.