Coolest/Ugliest Weapons V5 - Bullpup AKs are the best
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[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;46237291]The M14 or FAL weren't designed with a designated marksmen role in mind yet both have comparable accuracy to the Dragunov, so comparing the Dragunov to them just sort of shows its shortcomings in its intended purpose.
You shouldn't have to accurize a marksman's rifle.[/QUOTE]
This is true, but it was quite common for the time period, as evidenced by the M14, FAL, etc; they slapped scopes on anything they could, heck we had M1 Garand "Sniper Rifles" that shot about the same!
Still not quite as bad a choice for a DMR as the PSL...
Also, take into account that the original USMC's M40 Sniper Rifle used in Vietnam was shooting about 2 MOA. Also of note, the famous Jeff Cooper Scout Rifle requirements (from 1966) were 2 MOA, and that was considered accurate at the time; if your brand new bolt gun can't shoot 1 MOA or better nowadyas, you'd better send it back.
The problem is, the SVD was developed during that time, and unlike the M14, wasn't dragged into the modern age.
This is almost akin to the whole reason .40 cal came about; bullet technology in 1986 when the Miami FBI shootout happened just wasn't what it is today, and is the reason the FBI has now come full circle and adopted the 9mm again.
Sometimes it's important to remember context.
Poland tried to modernise the SVD but abandoned it due to NATOisation
One video about the MG3 from the Danish army:
[video=youtube;vdJWbqhc-B4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdJWbqhc-B4[/video]
And another one from the trials of the new LMG's (even though the MG3 is cool, it is still outdated):
[video=youtube;YvPTT7gKoJs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvPTT7gKoJs[/video]
Both videos are in Danish, but you can still look at the footage.
It was pretty laughable for them to look at the MG5 when it was as heavy or heavier than the MG3 that they were trying to replace, partially because of weight!
What's up with that belt on the MG3? I thought that one fed from NATO M13 disintegrating links.
So, I started browsing FW because why not... Stumbled upon this cutiepie:
[IMG]http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Lercker20.jpg[/IMG]
Lercker machine pistol. It's uh... A machine pistol. 20 round magazine, 1200 rpm, .25 ACP. Open bolt. You heard right, open bolt handgun.
[IMG]http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/LerckerPrototype02.jpg[/IMG]
That's how it'd look when ready to fire... Quite possibly a contender for least useful weapon in history, given it's holy trinity of no ergonomics, no firepower, and capacity to empty it's magazine in literally one second.
Reminds me of the PM-63
[img]http://www.imfdb.org/images/4/46/PM-63_RAK_ready.jpg[/img]
Only without the stock, or foregrip, or the rate limiter, less ergonomic controls, and in a worse caliber.
Although at the very least with the pitiful performance of .25 auto you probably won't get it recoiling into the lenses of your gasmasks.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;46237700]What's up with that belt on the MG3? I thought that one fed from NATO M13 disintegrating links.[/QUOTE]
Denmark: MG 42/59 designated M/62 in Danish service.[15]
"A further development of the MG 1A1 was the MG 1A2 (MG 42/59), which had a heavier bolt (950 g, compared to 550 g), a new friction ring buffer and was adapted to use both the standard German continuous DM1 ammunition belt and the American M13 disintegrating belt."
I've always imagined landing single shots with any proper degree of accuracy with an open-bolt weapon that has an actual slide instead of just the bolt would be incredibly awkward. Open-bolt is already notoriously inaccurate for the shifting weight it involves, imagine that weight not just being the bolt, but half the friggin' weapon.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;46237713]Reminds me of the PM-63
[img]http://www.imfdb.org/images/4/46/PM-63_RAK_ready.jpg[/img]
Only without the stock, or foregrip, or the rate limiter, less ergonomic controls, and in a worse caliber.
Although at the very least with the pitiful performance of .25 auto you probably won't get it recoiling into the lenses of your gasmasks.[/QUOTE]
Ironically named "Rak" (being Polish for cancer) while the designer had cancer, which killed him.
[QUOTE=Riller;46237706]So, I started browsing FW because why not... Stumbled upon this cutiepie:
[IMG]http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Lercker20.jpg[/IMG]
Lercker machine pistol. It's uh... A machine pistol. 20 round magazine, 1200 rpm, .25 ACP. Open bolt. You heard right, open bolt handgun.
[IMG]http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/LerckerPrototype02.jpg[/IMG]
That's how it'd look when ready to fire... Quite possibly a contender for least useful weapon in history, given it's holy trinity of no ergonomics, no firepower, and capacity to empty it's magazine in literally one second.[/QUOTE]
Still looks cool, I'd stick a suppressor on the end and maybe it would make a neat James Bond-type pistol.
[QUOTE=Riller;46237706]So, I started browsing FW because why not... Stumbled upon this cutiepie:
[IMG]http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Lercker20.jpg[/IMG]
Lercker machine pistol. It's uh... A machine pistol. 20 round magazine, 1200 rpm, .25 ACP. Open bolt. You heard right, open bolt handgun.
[IMG]http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/LerckerPrototype02.jpg[/IMG]
That's how it'd look when ready to fire... Quite possibly a contender for least useful weapon in history, given it's holy trinity of no ergonomics, no firepower, and capacity to empty it's magazine in literally one second.[/QUOTE]
Useless, maybe, but everything you just said makes it sound like so much fun
[QUOTE=Bonde;46237663]And another one from the trials of the new LMG's (even though the MG3 is cool, it is still outdated):
[video=youtube;YvPTT7gKoJs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvPTT7gKoJs[/video][/QUOTE]
Trials are over, by the way. We picked the M60. Thank god for that, when the MG121 was the other option.
Here's a vid of the new AR15's we've bought.
[video=youtube;1Wd5jsMKFh4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wd5jsMKFh4[/video]
Still Canadian, but C8 UARs with monolithic rails and freefloating 16" barrel instead of a mix of 20" and 14.5"'ers.
[QUOTE=Bonde;46237663]One video about the MG3 from the Danish army:
[video=youtube;vdJWbqhc-B4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdJWbqhc-B4[/video]
And another one from the trials of the new LMG's (even though the MG3 is cool, it is still outdated):
[video=youtube;YvPTT7gKoJs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvPTT7gKoJs[/video]
Both videos are in Danish, but you can still look at the footage.[/QUOTE]
I'm surprised no one modernised the MG3 while they had modernised M60s in the trials.
[QUOTE=download;46237781]I'm surprised no one modernised the MG3 while they had modernised M60s in the trials.[/QUOTE]
We specifically wanted to get rid of the MG3 because it was firing too fast, was too heavy, too clumsy and too unbalanced.
[QUOTE=Riller;46237732]I've always imagined landing single shots with any proper degree of accuracy with an open-bolt weapon that has an actual slide instead of just the bolt would be incredibly awkward. Open-bolt is already notoriously inaccurate for the shifting weight it involves, imagine that weight not just being the bolt, but half the friggin' weapon.[/QUOTE]
And in the case of the PM-63 you also have your sights flying forward the whole length of bolt travel.
Also, about that nickname, the story on Forgotten Weapons is that it refers to the walking motion of a cancer (as in a crab) because of the gun's own abnormal movement, in Polish there's an expression for "walking backwards" that uses the word for cancer in it. And apparently the designer once said "Either the cancer is going to finish me first, or I would finish the Cancer earlier", sadly the cancer finished him, but his team would push the design through to fruition. Got off to a rocky start but it actually had a pretty long service life.
That first video explains a lot of the limitations on the MG3, like how he straight-up says the machine gunner's role if engaged in an ambush is to spray-fire to make some hellish noise from his MG3, so the enemies duck and cover, giving his buddies time to get into position to actually engage.
Well you're moving on to the M60e6 now
[img]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/uso-m60e6-660x440.jpg[/img]
A far cry from the original gun of Rambo, but still the classic underneath.
Although, since it is related: the Germans did put together an upgrade kit for the MG3, called it the MG3 KWS
[img]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/2013-08-24_MG3KWS-660x439.jpg[/img]
Admittedly it doesn't fix the weight issue, actually makes that worse, but so does the HK121 that they wanted to replace it with.
Let's be fair, though. The HK121 is a HK weapon. The people who thought polymer makes a good trunion, and then blames soldiers when it fails. The people who thought the main problem with the USP was that it wasn't the size of a Desert Eagle. The people who throught that 4.6mm is a perfectly acceptable caliber.
[editline]15th October 2014[/editline]
They are the Apple of the firearms world. Overpriced, overhyped, and if your equipment fails, it's because you're firing it wrong.
[QUOTE=Riller;46237792]That first video explains a lot of the limitations on the MG3, like how he straight-up says the machine gunner's role if engaged in an ambush is to spray-fire to make some hellish noise from his MG3, so the enemies duck and cover, giving his buddies time to get into position to actually engage.[/QUOTE]
It's in Danish though.
[QUOTE=Tinter;46237901]It's in Danish though.[/QUOTE]
I'm a wizard, I understand that ancient, clumsy language.
[editline]15th October 2014[/editline]
[video=youtube;fU_IUhdp5B4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU_IUhdp5B4&list=UUOAc5-has_6wgt7EnvlTb1w[/video]
Danish military has NTW-14.5s. I was not aware.
[sp]Might just be one single one. Still...[/sp]
[QUOTE=Riller;46237887]
They are the Apple of the firearms world. Overpriced, overhyped, and if your equipment fails, it's because you're firing it wrong.[/QUOTE]
this is
fuck this is actually spot on
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;46237830]Well you're moving on to the M60e6 now
[IMG]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/uso-m60e6-660x440.jpg[/IMG]
A far cry from the original gun of Rambo, but still the classic underneath.
Although, since it is related: the Germans did put together an upgrade kit for the MG3, called it the MG3 KWS
[IMG]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/2013-08-24_MG3KWS-660x439.jpg[/IMG]
Admittedly it doesn't fix the weight issue, actually makes that worse, but so does the HK121 that they wanted to replace it with.[/QUOTE]
I still say the United States should rework and rebuild the Stoner 63.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF0aPSyUMjk[/media]
look at the fucking recoil, literally nothing
I judge weapons by how cool they look and the Stoner 63 gets 63/10
[QUOTE=Riller;46237706]So, I started browsing FW because why not... Stumbled upon this cutiepie:
Lercker machine pistol. It's uh... A machine pistol. 20 round magazine, 1200 rpm, .25 ACP. Open bolt. You heard right, open bolt handgun.
[IMG]http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/LerckerPrototype02.jpg[/IMG]
That's how it'd look when ready to fire... Quite possibly a contender for least useful weapon in history, given it's holy trinity of no ergonomics, no firepower, and capacity to empty it's magazine in literally one second.[/QUOTE]
it looks like a glue gun, lol
[QUOTE=Riller;46237887]Let's be fair, though. The HK121 is a HK weapon. The people who thought polymer makes a good trunion, and then blames soldiers when it fails. The people who thought the main problem with the USP was that it wasn't the size of a Desert Eagle. The people who throught that 4.6mm is a perfectly acceptable caliber.
[editline]15th October 2014[/editline]
They are the Apple of the firearms world. Overpriced, overhyped, and if your equipment fails, it's because you're firing it wrong.[/QUOTE]
They are kinda like apple, in that they were really fuckin good in the beginning but now they're just the name. The G3 is the desktop metaphor of western firearms. The G36 is the I phone of western firearms; bigger than its competition, more expensive and less reliable, but everyone thinks it's cool.
[QUOTE=Sitkero;46237763]Useless, maybe, but everything you just said makes it sound like so much fun[/QUOTE]
my brother would enjoy it, he has ADD so...this is perfect because he has no patience
[QUOTE=Tinter;46221203][QUOTE=Da_Maniac_;46221166]Why is that guy not wearing pants?[/QUOTE]
Why should he?[/QUOTE]
arma3 simulator
I already posted this in Auxiliary Pics, but I figure it fits here, too.
"Haa Aaní" by Nicholas Galanin
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[quote]Hand Engraved and Carved AR15 w/ soft case
16" M4 Barrel, 5.56 nato, 1/9, M-16, Leupold Mark AR MOD 1 1.5-4x20mm P5 Dial Riflescope, Matte Black, Duplex Reticle, Fancy Grade Walnut Wood AR-15 furniture, Hand sewn Sea Otter strap.
2013[/quote]
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