Censorship is wrong in most cases. If it is homophobic, sexist, racist, or otherwise offensive then it's okay. Same thing goes for witness protection, but for military secrets, WikiLeaks is gonna stay up for a while. So there's no stopping that anytime soon, and truly, even if you did try to censor something. People will find a way to bypass it or otherwise get the information directly.
I hate when politics and media tell people what they want to hear, instead of the truth.
Censorship is a [B]really[/B] touchy topic. I think that there should be some censorship in place (TV, Radio) but not in others (Internet, News, Government). I think this because of all the places for socially unacceptable behavior to randomly occur is on the TV or the radio. On the internet, its a free-for-all with who said what so there is no point in trying to censor what is being posted and/or how its being posted.
The government (especially in the USA) needs to be transparent. They say they know that they are censoring what is being published by the news and what is held internally by slapping the title of "classified" on it. We all know that its complete bullshit and that the US is just covering its ass because they are working against some of its 'allies'. In this current standpoint, the US needs to open its press doors and get some real information down. Everyone is sick of the lack of government news about what happened or the lame comments made by the government about why it happened.
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Hello sir/madam, this next show has some unsuitable scenes what would you like to censor?
violence
swearing
nudity
sexual themes
nothing
boom problem solved
[editline]3rd October 2011[/editline]
oh and for the other type of censorship (speaking out against the government) all of it should be allowed, people should be given the choice of seeing/ hearing anything that they want
Censorship should be used to protect the innocent mind against the radical and outlandish thoughts of dangerous individuals.
Censorship is unnecessary. Why be blocked from seeing something your inevitably going to see in the future? It just doesn't make sense and makes it harder for some companies that ad hear to..adult needs to advertise. It's just so unnecessary at some times. Like beeping out cursing on the television. We'll all hear those words later in life so what's the point? Plus if it's too adult for you change the channel simple as that.
[QUOTE=Magistrate;32614492]Censorship should be used to protect the innocent mind against the radical and outlandish thoughts of dangerous individuals.[/QUOTE]
It is unfunny, unhelpful and not in the spirit of the mass debate forum to try to play devil's advocate (some might call it trolling) unless you have an argument to back up your statement.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32525265]Censorship should be left up to the parties that are broadcasting their content.
If ABC doesn't want to show boobs, and therefore reinforce the stereotype that the human body is disgusting and needs to be covered up, then let them censor them, but there should be no government interference telling you what you can and cannot say/show.
On the other hand though, I think hardcore gore and stuff could be damaging to young viewers, so it's really difficult to say. In the end, what should and should not be censored really just comes down to a matter of opinion.
[editline]28th September 2011[/editline]
Just stop, any military needs to have secrets.
If our plans for building a nuclear bomb were public I think WW2 would have turned out quite a bit differently.[/QUOTE]
yep, millions might not have died... you're right!
I think there is no need for censorship of any kind. I'm not saying we need to show hardcore porn on Cartoon Network and Don't use course language were it's not needed. I think we all need to drop an F-bomb every now and then so plain and simple, fuck censorship!
Censorship is regulation of information, nothing more nothing less. Unless you have some vested ideological interest in it like information Libertarianism, it is neither inherently good or bad, it is dependant on what it does.
Information is not raw facts, it is always spun, it can very likely be incorrect or misleading, it may not be dangerous in itself but could cause a lot of issues if unregulated, and it can influence things significantly in a very counter-productive way. Most censorship is not designed to brainwash or prevent you from finding out the truth, but to prevent it from causing damage or corrupting societal processes. It isn't a lack of censorship that hurts, it is bad censorship.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;32662979]Censorship is regulation of information, nothing more nothing less. Unless you have some vested ideological interest in it like information Libertarianism, it is neither inherently good or bad, it is dependant on what it does.
Information is not raw facts, it is always spun, it can very likely be incorrect or misleading, it may not be dangerous in itself but could cause a lot of issues if unregulated, and it can influence things significantly in a very counter-productive way. Most censorship is not designed to brainwash or prevent you from finding out the truth, but to prevent it from causing damage or corrupting societal processes. It isn't a lack of censorship that hurts, it is bad censorship.[/QUOTE]
Which in western society is almost all of it
[QUOTE=Pepin;32558172]
The state is pubic
The people are entitled to that information[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;32663020]Which in western society is almost all of it[/QUOTE]
Censorship of child pornography, censorship of military secrets and military operations, censorship of information in the legal process, censorship of hate speech, censorship of neo-Nazi bullshit, censorship of obvious slander and libel, censorship of violent rhetoric, etc.
Of course that's all terrible, isn't it?
[QUOTE=Antdawg;32545404]
It's a sex symbol and has been for a very long time, if you don't think it would be that bad then how about imagining dicks on TV all the time.[/QUOTE]That wouldn't be bad for everybody. :q:
Seriously though, if it was on TV all the time, people would eventually become desensitized to it and stop caring.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;32663074]Censorship of child pornography, censorship of military secrets and military operations, censorship of information in the legal process, censorship of hate speech, censorship of neo-Nazi bullshit, censorship of obvious slander and libel, censorship of violent rhetoric, etc.
Of course that's all terrible, isn't it?[/QUOTE]
Yes, its band aid tactics, in stead of trying to fix a problem they hide it from view.
P.s. you really should work on your atitude
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;32663102]Yes, its band aid tactics, in stead of trying to fix a problem they hide it from view.
P.s. you really should work on your atitude[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they should fix the problem of pedophiles while there's free access to child pornography in every medium. They should fix people learning military secrets by not hiding them at all and getting upset when people with malicious intent get them. We should fix protecting people in the witness protection program by not really caring if people who haven't been convicted of anything might go after them. We should fix people making obviously slanderous remarks in the face of reality even though the public can't tell the difference and don't fact check anything.
p.s. go and have a sook about my attitude, i'm still making better arguments than you and an aggressive tone isn't any kind of fallacy.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;32663139]Yeah, they should fix the problem of pedophiles while there's free access to child pornography in every medium. They should fix people learning military secrets by not hiding them at all and getting upset when people with malicious intent get them. We should fix protecting people in the witness protection program by not really caring if people who haven't been convicted of anything might go after them. We should fix people making obviously slanderous remarks in the face of reality even though the public can't tell the difference and don't fact check anything.
p.s. go and have a sook about my attitude, i'm still making better arguments than you and an aggressive tone isn't any kind of fallacy.[/QUOTE]
Obviously the problem goes a little farther than censorship to say the least, but even in our current system, the only things that would be a problem not censoring would be "military secrets" and people in witness protection program.
You are right, it isn't a fallacy, I just find that when I am frustrated, aggressive, and/or angry, it can be tiring, and can impede judgement. and it's pointless considering I'm not the enemy
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;32663203]Obviously the problem goes a little farther than censorship to say the least, but even in our current system, the only things that would be a problem not censoring would be "military secrets" and people in witness protection program.
You are right, it isn't a fallacy, I just find that when I am frustrated, aggressive, and/or angry, it can be tiring, and can impede judgement. and it's pointless considering I'm not the enemy[/QUOTE]
There's a lot more in it when solving the problem but hiding it from public view and solving it aren't mutually exclusive. Information isn't in a vacuum, it has an impact on the issue and for many of them, it does hurt the problem by having it unrestricted. I'm sure you're aware of efforts to act as if homosexuality doesn't exist to try and reduce the occurrence of it but liking the same sex occurs naturally, wanting to commit genocide on a certain race believing they are subhuman scum doesn't so much. Even worse, being exposed to such blatantly spun or incorrect ideas does have a harmful effect and people do move towards it when otherwise they may not have.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;32663256]There's a lot more in it when solving the problem but hiding it from public view and solving it aren't mutually exclusive. Information isn't in a vacuum, it has an impact on the issue and for many of them, it does hurt the problem by having it unrestricted. I'm sure you're aware of efforts to act as if homosexuality doesn't exist to try and reduce the occurrence of it but liking the same sex occurs naturally, wanting to commit genocide on a certain race believing they are subhuman scum doesn't so much. Even worse, being exposed to such blatantly spun or incorrect ideas does have a harmful effect and people do move towards it when otherwise they may not have.[/QUOTE]
but as it is, there are still important things that are being censored by corrupt people for corrupt reasons, and there is still today information that is spun but the differences is the facts are censored. so the false info is always out there while the truth is withheld. that's it for today, i'm going to sleep now.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;32663291]but as it is, there are still important things that are being censored by corrupt people for corrupt reasons, and there is still today information that is spun but the differences is the facts are censored. so the false info is always out there while the truth is withheld. that's it for today, i'm going to sleep now.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, everyone's corrupt, everyone's trying to fool you, everything is false and they're hiding the truth from you.
If it's by politicians, it's spin to prevent people misunderstanding and overrecting to things. If it's by the media, it's the stupid media just showing what they think is interesting while not bothering to report important stuff because that doesn't get good ratings. If there is no actual answer, it's likely that they either don't know or won't commit to anything because that would fuck things up in some way, not because it's essentially malicious. If you call them corrupt, learn some facts, get expert opinions, they do exist, make an informed decision rather than just saying everyone is self-serving and out to get you.
yes
to prevent libel, for example
I think the censorship here in Denmark is pretty much cool yo'. Nothing gets censored really, only faces if it's really necessary. Some form of censorship is required, though, you can show extreme gore in a kids cartoon. Other than that, pretty much everything is a go.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;32663326]Yeah, everyone's corrupt, everyone's trying to fool you, everything is false and they're hiding the truth from you.
If it's by politicians, it's spin to prevent people misunderstanding and overrecting to things. If it's by the media, it's the stupid media just showing what they think is interesting while not bothering to report important stuff because that doesn't get good ratings. If there is no actual answer, it's likely that they either don't know or won't commit to anything because that would fuck things up in some way, not because it's essentially malicious. If you call them corrupt, learn some facts, get expert opinions, they do exist, make an informed decision rather than just saying everyone is self-serving and out to get you.[/QUOTE]
now you are just putting words in my mouth i never said everyone
The only time Government censorship should really be used is for public broadcasting mediums to help younger children from seeing potentially damaging things on public television, as there is now. Private works should never be censored.
I'm not saying I'm agreeing with the inverse when I say this, but it is an interesting idea that non-censorship, like isolationism, is a one-way street. It is nearly impossible for any free-speech or non-censoring governments turning around into censorship. Public outcry would be too great, and we've been "spoiled" (more accurately "accustomed to") free speech and the like that there is no going back. North Korea is really the only place that currently has such active censorship, besides China (which is swiftly turning democratic!).
[QUOTE=Chezhead;32673002]The only time Government censorship should really be used is for public broadcasting mediums to help younger children from seeing potentially damaging things on public television, as there is now. Private works should never be censored.
I'm not saying I'm agreeing with the inverse when I say this, but it is an interesting idea that non-censorship, like isolationism, is a one-way street. It is nearly impossible for any free-speech or non-censoring governments turning around into censorship. Public outcry would be too great, and we've been "spoiled" (more accurately "accustomed to") free speech and the like that there is no going back. North Korea is really the only place that currently has such active censorship, besides China (which is swiftly turning democratic!).[/QUOTE]
jut wondering, what could children see that would be "damaging"?
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;32678174]jut wondering, what could children see that would be "damaging"?[/QUOTE]
Maybe something like a man riding a unicycle into a box full of nails and sand belts and showing a realistic representation of what would happen to him.
I don't know , I don't like to sit down with my folks and watch a movie and have to see nudity or pornographic material when I'm WITH my folks, In my opinion nudity should stay in porn.
[QUOTE=Kel|oggs;32692010]I don't know , I don't like to sit down with my folks and watch a movie and have to see nudity or pornographic material when I'm WITH my folks, In my opinion nudity should stay in porn.[/QUOTE]
It's awkward as fuck I know but that is not a reason for censorship.
[QUOTE=Kel|oggs;32692010]I don't know , I don't like to sit down with my folks and watch a movie and have to see nudity or pornographic material when I'm WITH my folks, In my opinion nudity should stay in porn.[/QUOTE]
it's only awkward because of social idiosyncrasies
The only time censorship should be [b]required[/b] is in cases where not censoring it could seriously screw someone over (Social Security Numbers for instance).
However, I respect (for instance) a TV station's right to block boobs on TV if they don't want to broadcast them. I don't [b]like[/b] when that happens but if that's what they want to do fine. In this case I will attempt to quote (but probably butcher) Voltaire: "I do not agree with what you're saying but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
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