Gaping Plot-Holes In Popular Film: We think WAY too deep into this shit! - General

In Into Darkness, the admiral's entire plan relies on a Captain of a ship firing a torpedo at a hostile planet behind enemy lines. With the engine broken.

[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;44513291][B]Iron Man 3 [/B]- House. Party. Protocol. The fuck, Stark. [B]Enders Game [/B]- We have a fleet of less than 10 capital ships to fight off an alien armada of hundreds, yet somehow we could afford and had the technology to make a ship powerful enough to destroy an entire planet or half of a fleet in one shot. Right. [B]Transformers 2[/B]- The entire final sequence. 1) There's a massive battle near the Great Pyramids, but no tourists are seen anywhere. The Egyptian army never appears. In fact, the only living things other than the 'MURRICANS that are seen for the most part are natives in shitty houses! 2) The Americans mobilised (inexplicably fast might I add) and deployed a fucking naval expeditionary force in Egypt like its nothing, the political shitstorm doing that without permission would cause would be unreal. 2b) [I]The Americans fucking destroy the pyramids with a railgun.[/I] 2b-ii) The American naval commander listens to any twat with a radio that tells him to shoot a classified superweapon, without asking for authorization from anyone, and with basically no delay 3) The entire world would have seen the massive battle between giant robots from outer space and the American military, yet there is nothing to suggest this at all, there's no international crisis from everybody going "what the fuck" mentioned in either this film or the next Yes. I had to sit through both of those movies.[/QUOTE] 1. Eh, most of the end of the movie battle was in a village (which,as you said, had people in it), the pyramid was only shown quite a bit after the battle had begun and a massive decepticon was starting to climb it. Not even considering the fact that we would never expect to see tourists at the top of a pyramid they would also had already ran away. 2. Or maybe the naval expeditionary force was already on the way, the USA knew that stuff was going to happen there, did you even see the movie?!?!?! 2b. No they didn't did you even see the movie?? They shot one single railgun shot at a massive decepticon which was working at getting the world destroyed, the only damage the railgun caused was because once it hit the massive decepticon it fell all over the pyramid, which was pretty destructive, but not the railgun's fault (and was unavoidable). Regardless even if they did destroy the pyramid it would've been worth it by far. Political shitstorm??? How could there be a political shitstorm over the saving of the EARTH (or more specifically, the sun) 2b-ii. Like I said, the USA knew stuff was happening there so I'm not surprised he listened. 3. How the FUCK would anyone see it? You think the Egyptian villagers would be willing to stick around to record it?? Come the fuck on. Even if they did see it why would it be worth mentioning in the movies? The only reason something like that would be worth mentioning is if it served as the reveal of the transformers, but it [B][U][I]WASN'T[/I][/U][/B] You should try sitting through the movies again before you talk out of your ass. [editline]12th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=NuclearJesus;44513330]At least Iron Man 3 was watchable. Good points.[/QUOTE] Good points if you don't care about truth [editline]12th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=KennyAwsum;44529102]How the hell did Andy in the Shawshank Redemption [sp]neatly Reattach the Poster to the wall after he got into the hole?[/sp] Seriously.[/QUOTE] Now I haven't seen the movie in a long enough time to remember something as trivial as this, but maybe only the top of it was attached to the wall meaning he could just lift it up and go through. [editline]12th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Water-Marine;44517680]4. There's a 6 hour timezone difference between DC and Cairo. Despite that, Sam and the others are teleported to Cairo, where it seems to be the exact amount of daylight as DC. [/QUOTE] what no seriously, what?? you realize that 6 hours is not long enough for the time of day to necessitate a noticeable change in the time of day, RIGHT? [editline]12th April 2014[/editline] So many of the plotholes you guys are suggesting are fucking abysmal

[QUOTE=Doomish;44532008]I'm talking about when the movie's directors literally said "don't bother thinking about it" and Bruce Willis' character literally said "it doesn't matter don't bother thinking about it", as if time travel is not an integral part of the plot but here is a legit plot hole anyway:[/quote] He said that about what? Been awhile since I've seen it. [quote]The whole reason loopers exist is because nobody can get away with killing anyone in the future and so you are sent back in time to be killed by one, and yet a dude blasts a hole in Bruce Willis' wife's gut after using their future tasers on him like two minutes prior, then the movie proceeds to not even bother addressing the fact that that happened[/quote] Legit plothole I guess. [quote]And then there's also the fact that they specify [I]when[/I] in the past the time machine sends people, but somehow it just magically knows the location they are to be sent to i guess[/quote] Assumed they told the people in the past where to go to receive the bodies or something. I don't see why they need to explain. Movies don't explain how time travel works, they just say it does. I don't get how traveling across space is any more far-fetched. [quote]When they're torturing the young dude while his older escaped self is running around, they start hacking limbs off of him to send him a message and get him to turn himself in; there's one scene that sticks out in my mind where the guy is driving and they cut off his younger self's foot, at which point the older self's foot just up and disappears as if he just lost it even though logically he'd have already known because now the guy has been missing a foot his entire life. It wasn't removed NOW while he is driving, it was removed 30-some-odd years ago when he was being tortured I saw a theory that addresses this as the fact that both people are in the same exact universe at the same time, and so things done to one affects the other because they're technically the same person, but the movie has nothing to support this because the directors decided "oh it's time travel you don't need to worry about it even though it's the most important element of the film"[/quote] I don't know. It was sort of supported. Like how he was slowly losing memories of his wife, but not completely. [quote]The movie opens with an aborted timeline where JGL kills his loop (Bruce Willis), but when he grows up to be the same Bruce Willis, the timeline differs from the previous one for no specified reason, he just happens to be able to break out of his cuffs whereas the first Bruce Willis was unable to even though nothing is different[/quote] Could use the same argument for the Matrix I guess. People being able to change fate is a big part of a lot time travel movies. [quote]And one more: The mob boss nobody apparently knows in-depth is very clearly a man and one of the children Bruce Willis hunts down and almost kills (before he gets tased) is a little girl[/QUOTE] They said that nobody really actually knew who it was. Could've been a girl for all he knew. He also was getting really desperate. You're nitpicking for plotholes other than the first one. If you're watching a scifi movie you have to expect a few missing facts. You can't expect them to explain how exactly fictional sciences work.

[QUOTE=Bbls;44513771]like all of prometheus[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7CChfYoO_I[/media] If I remember this video correctly the guy debunks a few "plot holes". My friend thinks that the scientists believing the cave paintings were proof of alien life is a plot hole and is not logical, but there is literally no other explanation that could be made of such a thing, not to mention the fact that the star system that matches the paintings has a HABITABLE PLANET on it, seems pretty conclusive to me.

It's been brought up here a bit . At the start of the Dark Knight Rises they mention there are tunnels leading into Gotham from the civil war. That's how Batman got back in to the city. He also had a month to get from wherever he was back to America. Did everyone forget he left home with no money, somehow made it to Asia and traveled around for years? He's had some experience with these kind of things.

Why doesn't Batman just take his tunnels into Mordor?

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;44515578]Speaking of PR, who the FUCK thought that 200 feet tall monsters that can easily kill the gigantic robots [i]built specifically to destroy them[/i] would be stopped [u][i]by a wall!?[/i][/u][/QUOTE] Giant walls are cool Or is it just me? They're still cool, though

[QUOTE=Fapplejack;44515787]The Dank Night Wises. Bruce is in the middle of nowhere, just got out of a hole dungeon in the ground, and is able to somehow make it back to Gotham. In a spiffy new suit. While Gotham is under lockdown by both Bane and the Govt. Just... what.[/QUOTE] The whole sequence in between Bane taking over Gotham and the gulag Bruce is sent to and Bruce finally getting back to Gotham is supposed to take place over the span of 5 months. Plus I'm sure Bruce Wayne has an account with international banks, so whenever he did make it back to civilization, he could easily get access to his money. Then from there he just gets back to normal, catches a flight to the states then gets back into Gotham. I'm pretty sure Batman would have secret ways of getting into Gotham that would be overlooked by the common thug.

[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;44533278]Plus I'm sure Bruce Wayne has an account with international banks, so whenever he did make it back to civilization, he could easily get access to his money.[/QUOTE] You mean the money he lost earlier in the movie?

[QUOTE=Doomish;44532008] The movie opens with an aborted timeline where JGL kills his loop (Bruce Willis), but when he grows up to be the same Bruce Willis, the timeline differs from the previous one for no specified reason, he just happens to be able to break out of his cuffs whereas the first Bruce Willis was unable to even though nothing is different[/QUOTE] I always thought the loop was like an infinity symbol, where one side is JGL killing Bruce Willis and then becoming him, advancing to the other side where Bruce Willis doesn't die and creates the rain man.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;44533289]You mean the money he lost earlier in the movie?[/QUOTE] ah, forgot about that. havent seen the movie in a long while :P surely he had someone who knew him wherever he ended up. there's a lot of counterpoints that could explain even the money loss

[QUOTE=matt000024;44532318]You're nitpicking for plotholes other than the first one. If you're watching a scifi movie you have to expect a few missing facts. You can't expect them to explain how exactly fictional sciences work.[/QUOTE] It's not that difficult to make a time travel plot work. At the very least, make rules and be consistent about them. I'm a huge whore for time travel plots and Looper is just the worst offender of pissing all over time travel as a concept. None of it made sense in this movie, I especially despise it when time travel plots let the camera decide when something takes effect. It doesn't make sense that a guy suddenly notices a message on his arm that [I]he put there himself by cutting several years ago[/I]. Even if you accept the idea that there's somehow more universes and that they're connected and that's why a past event can 'suddenly' affect someone in the future, you only have the cameras to justify [I]when[/I] the effect happens. I remember it was just as he was about to climb over a fence or something, but it could have happened at any point in time, the only difference here was that this moment is a scene included in the film, but it could have been on some idle Tuesday as he was eating his cereal. Time travel plots that successfully use [URL=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StableTimeLoop]stable time loops[/URL] are amazing though.

[QUOTE=be;44532482] If I remember this video correctly the guy debunks a few "plot holes". My friend thinks that the scientists believing the cave paintings were proof of alien life is a plot hole and is not logical, but there is literally no other explanation that could be made of such a thing, not to mention the fact that the star system that matches the paintings has a HABITABLE PLANET on it, seems pretty conclusive to me.[/QUOTE] I didn't watch the video right now but ive seen it before and remember it being far fetched and a lot of making stuff up to fill in the blanks-- a solid script even if it was ambiguous should not require that much legitimate [I]guessing[/I]. Cos that's how you make the script make sense (although there's some stuff that's just straight up stupid and badly done. You can't really save it) All you really need to explain Prometheus-- [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0[/media]

[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;44533411]ah, forgot about that. havent seen the movie in a long while :P surely he had someone who knew him wherever he ended up. there's a lot of counterpoints that could explain even the money loss[/QUOTE] He also spent a great deal of time traveling around in Batman Begins with no money. Also, Alfred mentioned in Batman Begins that the caves under the mansion were used in the underground railroad which implies routes Bruce could have used to get back into Gotham. Not to mention get his extra suits and stuff.

Was this ever explained? Iron Man 3... how did all the little pieces of the suit have their own propulsion without being hooked to any power source whatsoever? Like the face mask literally flying around with mini rocket boosters. i have been wondering this ever since seeing it. it made no sense. Saw Winter Soldier yesterday... just what the hell did the winter soldier have to do with the Russians? As far as i could tell from the film, he was Hydra/Shield and had absolutely nothing to do with being Russian. ???????????

A profoundly stupid hangup I have with The Incredibles: black hair is a dominant genetic trait, meaning a black-haired child must have a black-haired parent. I guess Violet may be dying her hair, but that doesn't seem like something a mousy wallflower would do.

[QUOTE=Doomish;44532008]I'm talking about when the movie's directors literally said "don't bother thinking about it" and Bruce Willis' character literally said "it doesn't matter don't bother thinking about it", as if time travel is not an integral part of the plot but here is a legit plot hole anyway: The whole reason loopers exist is because nobody can get away with killing anyone in the future and so you are sent back in time to be killed by one, and yet a dude blasts a hole in Bruce Willis' wife's gut after using their future tasers on him like two minutes prior, then the movie proceeds to not even bother addressing the fact that that happened [editline]e[/editline] And then there's also the fact that they specify [I]when[/I] in the past the time machine sends people, but somehow it just magically knows the location they are to be sent to i guess [editline]e[/editline] When they're torturing the young dude while his older escaped self is running around, they start hacking limbs off of him to send him a message and get him to turn himself in; there's one scene that sticks out in my mind where the guy is driving and they cut off his younger self's foot, at which point the older self's foot just up and disappears as if he just lost it even though logically he'd have already known because now the guy has been missing a foot his entire life. It wasn't removed NOW while he is driving, it was removed 30-some-odd years ago when he was being tortured I saw a theory that addresses this as the fact that both people are in the same exact universe at the same time, and so things done to one affects the other because they're technically the same person, but the movie has nothing to support this because the directors decided "oh it's time travel you don't need to worry about it even though it's the most important element of the film" [editline]e[/editline] The movie opens with an aborted timeline where JGL kills his loop (Bruce Willis), but when he grows up to be the same Bruce Willis, the timeline differs from the previous one for no specified reason, he just happens to be able to break out of his cuffs whereas the first Bruce Willis was unable to even though nothing is different [editline]e[/editline] And one more: The mob boss nobody apparently knows in-depth is very clearly a man and one of the children Bruce Willis hunts down and almost kills (before he gets tased) is a little girl[/QUOTE] I knew there would be plotholes going in to Looper. Time travel itself is inherently flawed as a concept.

[QUOTE=Cabbage;44529880][b]Dark Knight Rises:[/b] So.. Bane's huge battalion of mercenaries in Gotham. How exactly did he hire them? How did that board meeting go down? 'yeah, so you guys are all guaranteed to die in a huge nuclear explosion and therefore won't get a dime for your work, but you get to be beaten up by batman' Why didn't anyone rebel against Bane, let alone join him? He's a scary motherfucker but there were literally thousands of guys, all armed.... [/QUOTE] Isn't it suggested they're all part of Bane's cult? Like they religiously follow him?

[QUOTE=ViralHatred;44529164]Hermione returns the time turner in her third year after dropping divination and no longer needing it to attend all classes. Amongst other reasons. See [url]http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Time-Turner[/url] Mjölnir's weight is not directly physical, it's based on the worth of the person attempting to wield it. So for example in the movie Thor he is not even able to pick it up after being sent to earth because he is not worthy of it's power.[/QUOTE] But the fact that helicarrier is supporting it could be construed as an attempt by an unworthy entity to pick it up by mechanical means. However, maybe it doesn't go through the floor because it's a mystical hammer and knows the difference between merely resting on a surface and being picked up by someone unworthy.

[QUOTE=psientist;44543004]Was this ever explained? Iron Man 3... how did all the little pieces of the suit have their own propulsion without being hooked to any power source whatsoever? Like the face mask literally flying around with mini rocket boosters. i have been wondering this ever since seeing it. it made no sense. Saw Winter Soldier yesterday... just what the hell did the winter soldier have to do with the Russians? As far as i could tell from the film, he was Hydra/Shield and had absolutely nothing to do with being Russian. ???????????[/QUOTE] Bucky has been found nearly dead bby the Russians after the train incident. He was then trained and brainwashed by them. Then Hydra pretty much took control of the program

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;44515578]So why not build a couple of bigass cannons next to it to blast the fuckers as soon as they arrive?[/QUOTE] Make sure the cannon shoots those swords at them because those fuckin things cut through everything.

Frozen had quite a few annoying bits. -Why didn't Ana just leave the castle when she wanted? Her parents were dead, and she had no one to stop her. -Ana wanders around outdoors soaking wet, in a dress, in freezing temperatures at [I]most[/I] with absolutely no impact on her health. -Olaf is just kind of alive. -Those motherfucking trolls.

[QUOTE=Estolle93;44546369]Frozen had quite a few annoying bits. -Why didn't Ana just leave the castle when she wanted? Her parents were dead, and she had no one to stop her. -Ana wanders around outdoors soaking wet, in a dress, in freezing temperatures at [I]most[/I] with absolutely no impact on her health. -Olaf is just kind of alive. -Those motherfucking trolls.[/QUOTE] 1. Elsa could have ordered the Guards to not let Anna Leave. 2. I wouldn't call it a plot hole because it really has nothing to do with the plot, most likely an oversight. They could have taken the whole water part out and it will still be the same. 3. It says in the movie that he was brought alive by Elsa's Powers. 4. I don't understand how trolls are a plot hole

[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;44543529]A profoundly stupid hangup I have with The Incredibles: black hair is a dominant genetic trait, meaning a black-haired child must have a black-haired parent. I guess Violet may be dying her hair, but that doesn't seem like something a mousy wallflower would do.[/QUOTE] Okay, so let's say we've ruled out hair dye. One of her parents must have black hair, but we know neither Bob nor his wife have black hair. What remains? At least one of Bob or Helen is not Violet's parent. It's possible she's adopted, or it's possible she is the result of an affair between a black haired character and one of Violet's parents. Further investigating the latter, who has black hair in the film? Edna Mode Lucius Best Bomb Voyage Gilbert Huph Gazerbeam Some food for thought, you know?

If John Hammond spared no expense, then how come he cheaped out by hiring a shitty programmer without doing a background check? Also why did no one care about the fact he was making dinosaurs? Someone somewhere along the line had to have gone: "Hey, why is InGen buying all this shit?" [sp] I know most of it get explained in the book but why didn't they do anything earlier then?[/sp] And why did Muldoon, a trained hunter, stare at The Big One instead of blowing her little smartass face off?

[QUOTE=Griffster26;44547582]If John Hammond spared no expense, then how come he cheaped out by hiring a shitty programmer without doing a background check? Also why did no one care about the fact he was making dinosaurs? Someone somewhere along the line had to have gone: "Hey, why is InGen buying all this shit?" [sp] I know most of it get explained in the book but why didn't they do anything earlier then?[/sp] [/QUOTE] Probably because Nedry himself is a brilliant programmer. There is no inclination he was shitty, and he probably went to Jurassic Park because it offered a kick-ass paycheck. It just happens that Dodgson offered more money. Also, as far as I remember, InGen had always been a genetics company, so purchasing equipment for creating the dinosaurs was probably considered normal activity. Hammond himself was always considered a showman, so any governing body probably thought he was building something akin to an amusement park, or a museum. I don't think any rational person could believe he was really creating dinosaurs. [editline]15th April 2014[/editline] And Muldoon was taking his time with that shot. If he missed, he would be a goner for sure, so he was being careful not to get noticed and make sure he had a kill shot.

I don't know if this can count as a plot hole, but why did [sp]peter put on that blindfold in the sudden death round, I can see it if it's to honor patches or so he wouldn't be psyched out by goodman[/sp] but that just drives me nuts whether I see it...

[QUOTE=Dr. Doughnut;44544594]Isn't it suggested they're all part of Bane's cult? Like they religiously follow him?[/QUOTE] Eeeh, maybe, but that feels contrived at best. I doubt, even if you were in a cult, you would feel very good about getting blown to dust in the wind for a rather vague cause [editline]15th April 2014[/editline] I feel like CinemaSins should be reading this thread

[QUOTE=Cabbage;44554055]Eeeh, maybe, but that feels contrived at best. I doubt, even if you were in a cult, you would feel very good about getting blown to dust in the wind for a rather vague cause [editline]15th April 2014[/editline] I feel like CinemaSins should be reading this thread[/QUOTE] Bear in mind, the opening had someone willingly go down with a plane to make sure everything went smoothly. I wouldn't be all that surprised with his men in the city either.

Oh and don't forget the whole sequence where batman magically becomes a total pussy in the initial fight sequence with Bane [editline]15th April 2014[/editline] and all you need is a rope to fix a critical back injury