[QUOTE=Glock Samson;49995384]Maloof was a good sport. I respect anybody that is willing to drive their point, same as mine.
I don't think anything was "drug out", [B]except for your reply[/B].[/QUOTE]
Stooooooooooooooooooooop.
All that post was in essence was "I want to have the last word"
[editline]24th March 2016[/editline]
Anyway, I recently had to stop working on my final project for uni, due to extensive illness. :/
But, I thought some of you might be interested in seeing some of the sketches I did for the project. Heres some of the more tangible ones.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/avYg4jb.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/oiSFlu0.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/fP55rG5.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=salmonmarine;49999564][img]http://jul.rustedlogic.net/images/smilies/words.gif[/img]
WIP for artstation challenge C+C please
[img]http://i.imgur.com/WIlV73b.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
[B]please take my opinion with a grain of salt[/B]
I totally see what you want to do and I think you definetly can exaggerate the "fish-eye" look to the composition's benefit - right now it's kind of hard for the eye to move around the picture imo. Maybe try to make it a night scene, too, the moon will have a bigger contrast and same goes for the face of the character and the rocket if they are illuminated by lots of point lights.
I know nothing about rockets but I think you could totally get away with this kind of a bridge connecting to the rocket to lead the viewer's eye around the picture better, it creates a nice motion this way. The challenge's page says:
[quote]"The theme of this challenge is "The Journey". To travel from one place to another over great distance or time. Your entry should capture a stage of the journey whether it is the beginning, a trial along the way, or the conclusion. We're not looking for an Oprah-style "journey" of personal reflection, but an epic undertaking that is dangerous, awe-inspiring, and not guaranteed to end well. The central purpose of your entry is to convince the viewer to care about the story you have created. There should be a human scale to the drama, even if the scale of the journey makes them seem small."[/quote]
So maybe it would be good to emphasize on the drama a bit more, such as the pilot appearing a bit scared since he realized what he's about to do (or he's late and he's supposed to be on the bridge already, what a dolt!). The whole menacing look of the rocket really adds to that as well.
Excuse the chicken scratches:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/JeJi64W.jpg[/IMG]
Good luck with the challenge, would love to see the finished result!
[QUOTE=salmonmarine;49999564][img]http://jul.rustedlogic.net/images/smilies/words.gif[/img]
WIP for artstation challenge C+C please
[img]http://i.imgur.com/WIlV73b.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
besides the perspective i'd recommend repositioning the figure, something about his placement seems to detract from the rocket
[QUOTE=salmonmarine;49999564][img]http://jul.rustedlogic.net/images/smilies/words.gif[/img]
WIP for artstation challenge C+C please
[img]http://i.imgur.com/WIlV73b.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
some beams of light shining onto the rocket might be cool.
[QUOTE=Metaru;50004123][img]https://49.media.tumblr.com/72a47aea83bce0b06ce4c808f496e9ef/tumblr_o4lpeikzuS1qih4jgo1_500.gif[/img]
[t]https://scontent-gru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/1913555_1149068268460189_8560473189904882378_n.png?oh=ad39b93288af1af1a4d977897470de7c&oe=5784685A[/t][/QUOTE]
I love it, although I think the gun would be better pointing in the direction he's running.
From a 'tacticool' standpoint, a real soldier will run with their weapon lowered more or less like that, unless they happen to be actually shooting as they run. Keep in mind their torsos are also rotated towards the camera, so it's going to be pretty difficult to draw these figures pointing their weapons forward anyway, since if the gun was parallel to the screen you'd have your body rotated the opposite way so the camera would see their back more than their front.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/WrBT4BE.png[/img]
mute knight with talking bird pet
Some alien clothing thing [IMG]http://puu.sh/nUfXH.jpg[/IMG]
I think you've made enough progress on strange goopy materials to move onto more important things like defining cloth and hair. If the point of the drawing was the clothes, it's pretty much a white shape at this point
[QUOTE=Bynine;50006155][img]http://i.imgur.com/WrBT4BE.png[/img]
mute knight with talking bird pet[/QUOTE]
I LIKE THIS DESIGN
the leather shoulder pad looks weird though because it looks like he's wearing full plate under the cloth
Man only if I was talented enough to submit anything in this thread.
[QUOTE=no1dead;50008267]Man only if I was talented enough to draw anything in this thread.[/QUOTE]
The best time to start practicing was 5 years ago. The second best time is today.
[sp]Assuming you aren't already practicing, in which case, keep at it! [/sp]
got bored did this
[img]http://i.imgur.com/uJMCPU5.png[/img]
[QUOTE=no1dead;50008267]Man only if I was talented enough to submit anything in this thread.[/QUOTE]
There's no such thing as talent, just hard work.
[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;50008669]There's no such thing as talent, just hard work.[/QUOTE]
Comparing my artwork before and after I joined this thread is like light and day.
I'm still frustrated at the fact that I can't motivate myself to do studies unless I'm busy with other work
I want to improve but the only way for me to do studies is to do them while procrastinating from other work
Better get started I guess on some drawings I guess.
Sketch from last night
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5mXD2Hq.png[/IMG]
[t]https://scontent.fash1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12246657_1079677338721601_514829673032964449_n.jpg?oh=065cecf6b049400a5ff805ddbe08d12c&oe=5799257B[/t]
this book is fuckin pissed m8
[QUOTE=Jallen;50011919][img]http://img01.deviantart.net/7522/i/2016/086/8/6/lake_in_france_by_jallenthenovice-d9wpglz.png[/img][/QUOTE]
lake windermere?
painted one of my friends, sorry for the filter rape
[t]http://i.cubeupload.com/U6jSqx.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=BernardLH;49976732]I just requested to join the Facebook group, this seems like the perfect place for me. I've been "real life" drawing forever with pens, pencils etc., and more recently have been desiring a more professional/adult, electronic/marketable, more PRODUCTIVE maybe than IMAGINATIVE, tablet that I'd be using for work that I would end up actually selling. Concept artwork, storyboards, portraits, illustrations to be published, etc.
You will all probadly be seeing a lot of me, so HI!
It won't be hard to tell who I am on Facebook.[/QUOTE]
the fb group is dead as a coffin nail but I approved you anyway haha welcome
[QUOTE=Maloof?;49992118]Use references when not practicing too - use them all the time. Professionals use them constantly. Not doing it is like choosing to work on a black-and-white CRT.
Anybody who notes that they 'didn't use references' for a painting has a grossly incorrect set of ideals when it comes to making any sort of art for commercial use[/QUOTE]
I don't have time to read the feature length debate arising from this post but I want to give you my two cents because I get the impression that glock samson may have poorly represented the side of the argument on which I fall so here goes in brief -
This is not good advice for anybody who wants to be able to draw from their imagination. In fact you [B]need[/B] to draw alternately with and without refs if you want to expand your ability in that direction. To "use them all the time" is to rely upon them to make your pictures - never a good thing.
Now there's a lot of width in the term referencing, from directly referencing (copying more or less verbatim from other people's work to piece together your own) to referencing the mood/lighting from somewhere else to apply to a scene you have already, to looking at pictures to see how they might build a certain thing and then taking that knowledge back to what you're doing without any visual reference occurring at all. And hundreds of cases in between those. A lot of artists (successful ones) just hijack and reskin other people's shit. And some people have their own ideas and just use bits and pieces of ref material as a compass to lightly steer works they draw by themselves - perhaps to make their idea more solid by glancing over costumes or set dressing or whatever.
I don't want to set a standard of what makes you a more worthwhile artist in terms of what end of this scale you sit on when you make art - to me it's obvious, and I guess it's going to be obvious what I think from reading this. But that's not important to you or anyone else hopefully, you need to decide in a vacuum what YOU aspire to - for me it's really important to be able to draw what I want from my head, and through practice I'm happy to say I am achieving that (with loads of room for improvement of course...)
it's definitely worth mentioning at this point that there are a lot of artists out there who do not need reference to draw and/or paint wonderfully, and as I have implied already those are the people whom I think are the really skilled, original, interesting sources of art and I want to command the sort of respect I have for their ability which is why I aspire not to rely upon refs but upon my knowledge and experience and sensibility (but I'm not ashamed to polish concepts with bits of ref here and there if I feel like I need to).
lastly I want to make sure nobody has the idea that you need to be "talented" to draw without reference, that you need anything that somebody else does not have. I've learned everything in art only through working at it, and I don't even think that I improve particularly quickly, my only talent (and in my opinion this is what should be considered the real meaning of talent) is who I happen to be, i.e. I'm a quick study, good at understanding things, was an inquisitive child, have read a lot and so on and so forth.
being able to draw without reference is not truly without reference, it's just that you need to have the reference internally - and it doesn't require that you have a special memory or anything like that. it's just knowledge. Let's say you want to draw a bicycle without needing to look at a picture of a bicycle. I can do that because I've seen - and more importantly observed - lots of bicycles, I have the combined knowledge of a reasonable idea of how a bicycle works with the visual knowledge that the frame is almost always the same - an upside down triangle between two wheels, skewed toward the front wheel with an another triangle connecting the back end of it to the centre of the back wheel. The location of the other stuff - the chain and pedal apparatus, the seat, the handlebars - it's all pretty much given to you if you can get that simple arrangement right. Just attach the other stuff. being able to draw such a thing from whatever angle you like requires a good deal of practice in perspective drawing - not bicycles, just generally until you gain a more intuitive visual understanding of objects in three dimensions. Again you don't need to be rain man or anything, it's just work to get there. And if you can retain working knowledge of a bicycle you can do it with a car, with a style of architecture, with the human figure, with animal figures, with whatever it is you're interested in. And it becomes easier as you progress, like language-learning.
glock samson seems to deify people who can do this but it's not THAT difficult - just another thing to learn or way of learning. I really recommend everybody trying to go down the path of not relying on reference, because it allows you really invaluable skills, speed, and freedom to make pieces that are what you want to make, and which really come from you with a high percentage of your sensibility. That's vital for any dedicated artist in my mind.
whew that was long winded but making a point is not easy in a few lines lmao....
See now that's a point I can get behind.
On an unrelated note, I'd like to ask you guys for an opinion. I'm at a stage where my eye for measurement and the like is still shit but I'm trying to improve.
I often hit a point in a painting where I'm kinda far along and I realize I've messed up in some of the basic stages of the painting. So I fall into a rut of fixing things, and fixing one thing messes up another.
Should I keep trying to fix it? Or just finish it and move on?
[QUOTE=Mr cake fingers;50012576]lake windermere?[/QUOTE]
I've been there before and it does look like it, but it was actually a lake I went past when travelling from Les Arcs to Geneva Airport called Lake Annecy
I said to myself i'd try and draw more often now that i found my Tablet, which never got any real use during my time at college. I've been somewhat loyal with that concept although, not exactly perfect since i have neglected drawing for a few days as i get destracted with other things such as Dark Souls 3 and just life in general. If i have all this spare time from not having a job, i might as well make use of all this free time to actually git gud at drawing for once.
And the first thing i decide to really spend more than 10 minutes doodling would be an Uruk that goes by the name "Prak Jaws", Who gave Tear of Grace (Dark Souls content creator at Youtube) a really, really bad time in his Shadow of Mordor videos like you wouldnt beleive.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/weLx8Qm.png[/t]
And as much as i'm quick to shoot down anything i attempt to draw, i don't think this sketch went too bad, actually. I think i'm getting more used to this tablet after a few weeks of trying.
...Just dont ask me to colour it. Everything i touch with colour ends up messing up big time. I guess i could try later...
Any decent brush settings for drawing like i was using a pencil/pen? Or am i better off using something other than Photoshop for drawing?
Stick to hard round brush on high opacity, and draw from reference. You get better at drawing from drawing pictures of existing stuff, as it's by drawing reality that you build up a library in your head of how things truly look for when you need to draw from imagination - everybody can trace so there is no significant technical skill in operating the pen / stylus - the skill is all in reproducing a convincing picture of reality or an imagined reality.
So draw from reference photos. If you like dark souls, maybe take some dark souls screenshots and draw them :)
I touched up this thing from about a month ago, to maybe include it in a portfolio.
Thoughts?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/DrSgMMd.png[/img]
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