[QUOTE=bodenlan2;47180222]Your brushwork on that chimp is magic. Do you have a deviantart?[/QUOTE]
Don't use deviantart anymore have a tumblr though :s. [url]http://mrcoates.tumblr.com[/url]
[QUOTE=Talkbox;47181073]Don't use deviantart anymore have a tumblr though :s. [url]http://mrcoates.tumblr.com[/url][/QUOTE]
I see. Very cool.
You drew the Totally Enormous Extinct Dinosaurs guys from the video I linked :).
if i make a comic or something i'll probably do it in this kinda style
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/kb9aqjJ.png[/IMG]
it is a drawing of me
[QUOTE=bodenlan2;47181175]I see. Very cool.
You drew the Totally Enormous Extinct Dinosaurs guys from the video I linked :).[/QUOTE]
Hahah yeah years ago in school. Still have that lying around at home somewhere I think.
Got a paid gig doing paintings for somebody who wants some images of her fantasy world to refer to while writing
and my design skills are so rusty arrr
In other news though WIP personal image
[IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83454840/Images/China%20Hobbit.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Maloof?;47183107]Got a paid gig doing paintings for somebody who wants some images of her fantasy world to refer to while writing
and my design skills are so rusty arrr
In other news though WIP personal image
[IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83454840/Images/China%20Hobbit.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[URL="http://sticksalesmanadventures.tumblr.com/"]
http://sticksalesmanadventures.tumblr.com/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Maloof?;47183107]Got a paid gig doing paintings for somebody who wants some images of her fantasy world to refer to while writing
and my design skills are so rusty arrr
In other news though WIP personal image
[IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83454840/Images/China%20Hobbit.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I love how that house is lit up, something about it is just fascinating to me.
Looking nice. Really nice rimlight on the foliage, try reducing the black point of the foreground a bit cause it is a bit of a mismatch with the remaining tonal recession in the piece. You could also move the character so that he is on a third.
Cheers guys, yeah I totally get the composition issue - I'll fix that up.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;47183107]Got a paid gig doing paintings for somebody who wants some images of her fantasy world to refer to while writing
and my design skills are so rusty arrr
In other news though WIP personal image
[IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83454840/Images/China%20Hobbit.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
that fg brushwork is really ugly and would take very little to do something about
[QUOTE=Maloof?;47183107]Got a paid gig doing paintings for somebody who wants some images of her fantasy world to refer to while writing
and my design skills are so rusty arrr
In other news though WIP personal image
[IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83454840/Images/China%20Hobbit.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Really like your brush work. One day, I'll get there one day.
[QUOTE=MakoSkyDub;47183879]that fg brushwork is really ugly and would take very little to do something about[/QUOTE]
*This is my opinion. [B]Bow to me[/B]*
[QUOTE=Wickerman123;47184855]*This is my opinion. [B]Bow to me[/B]*[/QUOTE]
It's just his personal opinion. What's the problem?
[QUOTE=MakoSkyDub;47183879]that fg brushwork is really ugly and would take very little to do something about[/QUOTE]
While the fg brushing is pretty simple, it works for me because it seems the main focus of the pic is the bg.
The way he presents his opinion is really rude and unnecessary. Not exactly constructive.
Well, he said that the brushwork is bad (obviously sloppy), and that he doesnt like it. I think that's pretty constructive.
I mean, half of people who see my pieces just say that they are shit without any elaboration. Feel the difference.
[QUOTE=Wickerman123;47184930]The way he presents his opinion is really rude and unnecessary. Not exactly constructive.[/QUOTE]
One thing I have noticed about this thread is the borderline autistic criticism style. Its always "that's ugly" or "that's wrong".
Mako has presented his opinions in far worse off ways than that. That wasnt even bad.
[QUOTE=antianan;47184997]Well, he said that the brushwork is bad (obviously sloppy), and that he doesnt like it. I think that's pretty constructive.
I mean, half of people who see my pieces just say that they are shit without any elaboration. Feel the difference.[/QUOTE]
that's not constructive, that's criticising. something constructive would be to point out the problem [I]and then suggest a way to fix it.[/I]
[QUOTE=Mr cake fingers;47185103]Mako has presented his opinions in far worse off ways than that. That wasnt even bad.[/QUOTE]
Not bad by his standards, no. Still bad though.
Well, ok, maybe that was not costructive enough. My point is that it's strange to expect all people to give you detailed critique, since it takes lots of time and effort. Most of the time people just point you on a possible problem, and it's up to you to decide whether this problem is real or just subjective.
True. But if it's just subjective, what's the point in sharing it without some advice?
No one likes getting their work called ugly, but people won't mind if they actually get something constructive out of it. Saying "it's ugly and I don't like it" is pointless and can really hurt a person if they react badly. Saying something like "I don't like your foreground brushstrokes, make them more like x brushstrokes or use this brush" would be an acceptable post.
I don't think there is a problem in criticizing peoples work without advice, it just depends on how you do it. It's a public place, if people want to voice their opinions they should be allowed to do so.
I don't think calling something ugly helps anyone, these pure "I don't like it so I'm gonna tell you" kind of words are just completely unnecessary as the only thing they contribute is making the person feel shittier, whether they want to or not. However, voicing a dislike for something shouldn't be disallowed, just say "I don't think it works well", "I don't really like the way it looks", "I think you could have done that differently", "I don't think you should leave that unfinished", "I think you need to polish up that", etc etc, something along those lines.
Make sure it's just a personal opinion and don't be distasteful in voicing [I]your opinion[/I] on somebody elses work.
Mako's post has value because he points out what he dislikes, leaving the artist open to have a look at that, does the artist agree that the brushwork is too sloppy in the foreground? Or does the artist think it should just stay as it is? Here the artist should just try to ignore the blatant insult and look at what's been pointed out and see if he/she agrees. Nothing good comes from paying attention to insults, look beyond that and figure out why the insults were made to begin with, pay attention to what the person is trying to say, not the words used to do so.
Mako's post is shit because it insults the artist for not doing things the way he thinks it should be done, instead of just making the artist aware that he thinks it could have been improved. The insults were unnecessary to get his point across.
how do you manage to type so much for everything
[QUOTE=Detlef;47185708]how do you manage to type so much for everything[/QUOTE]
I have always been heavy at phrasing myself, can't keep it short.
All the way back since elementary school.
[QUOTE=MakoSkyDub;47183879]that fg brushwork is really ugly and would take very little to do something about[/QUOTE]
While I agree on sloppy brushwork, I think if you're smart you can add a hint about what to do about it.
But also, people here mistake critique for personal opinion, and usually that is not the case. Critique should be based on knowledge and experience, so whenever someone gives critique here please don't write it of as the critics opinion, therefore invalid.
critique seems to go nowhere here.
[QUOTE=Talkbox;47185088]One thing I have noticed about this thread is the borderline autistic criticism style. Its always "that's ugly" or "that's wrong".[/QUOTE]
This thread is the only thing I use on Facepunch now. I have never come across a community that has such a good balance of criticism and praise. Not only that, but both the criticism and praise have good value because a lot of the people in this thread are very good at drawing / painting. Sometimes the criticism can be more blunt than it needs to be, but if you can't look at your own work and see what they mean, then either you need to adjust your view of your own work to be more objective, or what they are saying is crap and that will probably be reflected in ratings / replies. If you're dependent on the approval of people you barely know for your morale in producing your art then I doubt you'll persevere regardless of whether they are blunt or not.
Basically what I'm saying is that I like it exactly as it is.
[QUOTE=Jallen;47185807][..]If you're dependent on the approval of people you barely know for your morale in producing your art then I doubt you'll persevere regardless of whether they are blunt or not.
Basically what I'm saying is that I like it exactly as it is.[/QUOTE]
if someone wants constant praise of their work, or people constantly replying with "man i wish i had as much [i]talent[/i] as you, all of my drawings suck in comparison", they can just as easily post their work on facebook/tumblr/deviantart and be swamped with those kinds of replies. one of the things i always liked about Creationism Corner was that people would bluntly tell you what you could improve on without constantly sugarcoating it.
granted, pointing out a flaw without suggesting a least one way to improve is kind of dickish.
[QUOTE=Jallen;47185807]This thread is the only thing I use on Facepunch now. I have never come across a community that has such a good balance of criticism and praise. Not only that, but both the criticism and praise have good value because a lot of the people in this thread are very good at drawing / painting. Sometimes the criticism can be more blunt than it needs to be, but if you can't look at your own work and see what they mean, then either you need to adjust your view of your own work to be more objective, or what they are saying is crap and that will probably be reflected in ratings / replies. If you're dependent on the approval of people you barely know for your morale in producing your art then I doubt you'll persevere regardless of whether they are blunt or not.
Basically what I'm saying is that I like it exactly as it is.[/QUOTE]
While I mostly agree with you, I still think that people need to be less harsh in the way they phrase things. I'm not saying that people shouldn't point out what they dislike but phrases along the lines of "it's ugly and I don't like it" aren't helping anybody.
[editline]21st February 2015[/editline]
I'm in the same boat regarding idiots just wanting praise. Praise doesn't get you as far as constructive criticism but blunt as fuck criticism doesn't get you very far either.
[QUOTE=HeroicPillow;47185951]if someone wants constant praise of their work, or people constantly replying with "man i wish i had as much [i]talent[/i] as you, all of my drawings suck in comparison", they can just as easily post their work on facebook/tumblr/[B]deviantart [/B]and be swamped with those kinds of replies.[/QUOTE]
Only if you draw acid coloured wolves or furries or other wierd stuff. Drawing original characters doubles your popularity.
Humor aside, i kinda agree with you, but the problem is that i haven't seen really good critiques being posted here for a while. I remember chesty's nice posts, and there was a guy named TheLazyLion or something with his awesome critiques, but it seems like they are gone or just don't care about this stuff anymore. Actually, this can be said about lots of people who have constituted the backbone of this thread.
I can even kinda understand them. I don't know why, but i'm not tempted to post my shit here or write silly critiques anymore. But i still like being here watching stuff.
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