Your school was a shit place then, as we were ALWAYS told Phones off, in a bag. We even had non-calculator exams, and (unbelievably, we had PAPER BASED IT A LEVEL EXAMS. Yeah.)
Just because you use a calculator doesn't mean you can't understand the underlying problems behind a problem. If you can't, that means you were either taught the skills badly or didn't practise them. Having a calculator is NO excuse.
EDIT: Oh, and I'm at university now. Let me say that you don't LEARN equasions. You note them down, because you have to UNDERSTAND how they work. Just knowing them is useless without comprehension and understanding. It's like having the plans to a nuclear bomb but no underlying understanding of the science behind it.
DOUBLE EDIT: I think the main thing is the HUUUGE sense of entitlement people have nowadays. Everyone fucking expects to have everything handed to them on a silver platter, as they're brought up like that by TV, the state, etc. But when it comes to the real world, it hits people like a tonne of bricks and noone is prepared for the hard work you have to put in to get anywhere in this world. THAT is why humanity strives to make it's self better. Because otherwise, you get nothing and you basically become just another statistic. Technology is just a tool to aid in work, not to replace work. Maybe people should get off their fat asses and get some hard work done. I know I am.
[QUOTE=Lust;29103033]Haha no they'll be using their creativity and intelligence to build, create, and learn new things that can be beamed to other peoples brains.
Civilization will expand, new technologies, elements, laws of physics will be found and clarified upon, life will get better and better as humanity learns as a whole, not constrained by the boundries of simple physical thought and religion and differences of opinion.
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Well you'll have to wait 5000 years for that (??? what the fuck are you trying to say ???)
Did I miss something and we already know everything? Just because everyone will immediately know everything that humanity as a whole knows doesn't mean there isn't an infinite wealth of knowledge out there that we still havent gained lol.
Like wtf do you think billionaires do, that's like going WELL BILLIONAIRES MUST JUST SIT ON THE FLOOR AND STARE INTO EMPTY SPACE ALL DAY BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY BOUGHT A HUGE MANSION AND DONT NEED A JOB AND HAVE MADE TECHNOLOGY.
Gosh you people are so uncreative.[/QUOTE]
And bam. This is the fatal flaw in my argument and what I was hoping someone would get at. Humans always move forward. It is what we do. Hell, we will move an entire mountain if we think there is something underneath it worth our while. If we don't find anything worth while, well, we seldom get too discouraged and we take it as a learning experience and move forward. Maybe the next mountain will have something. We will do this until we run out of mountains, and then we will make our own mountains for future generations to excavate. What are land fills? Human-made mountains with awesome crap for our future generations to recover and recycle.
Future advances in technology only add to our arsenal of forward progress. I am fairly confident that the human mentality to always move forward will never diminish until we are completely extinct, which I don't think is possible to happen to our species. People who think cockroaches are the most robust creatures have obviously never looked at the human species close enough.
Our demise will come at the end of the universe, and even then I am confident in our ability to do something to prevent that. It's just what we do.
[QUOTE=Master117;29103082]And bam. This is the fatal flaw in my argument and what I was hoping someone would get at. Humans always move forward. It is what we do. Hell, we will move an entire mountain if we think there is something underneath it worth our while.
Future advances in technology only add to our arsenal of forward progress. I am fairly confident that the human mentality to always move forward will never diminish until we are completely extinct, which I don't think is possible to happen to our species.
People think cockroaches are robust creatures have obviously never looked at the human species close enough.
Our demise will come at the end of the universe, and even then I am confident in our ability to do something to prevent that. It's just what we do.[/QUOTE]
Oh well, okay then, that settles that.
wait wtf why did you even..
HANG ON WAIT OF COURSE WE'RE GONNA GO EXTINCT DON'T BE SO OPTIMISTIC WE STILL HAVE RELIGION IN THE YEAR 2011 FOR PETES SAKE WE'RE COMPLETELY FUCKED AS A CIVILIZATION AND AS A SPECIES
also theres nothing wrong with sitting on a beach all day drinking and partying, sure it's "not productive" but if we have robots to do everything for us, why SHOULDN'T WE just become a lazy species and party all day? I see no problem with it, it's not hurting any one i mean it's basically what we did with computers, we stopped our physical labour and just lazed around for a little while, it's chill y'know?
I like technology. Technology shows me boobs when my pants start tingling.
[QUOTE=Lust;29103095]Oh well, okay then, that settles that.
wait wtf why did you even..
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Why did I lead this argument on? Well, to put it poetically, you can't have black without white.
My philosophy glands are running dry, so bear with me.
What I mean by that is that singe-sided ideas don't exist. They have many facets and opposing views. If you have one idea, an opposing idea must exist. By learning about all the sides to an idea or story, you better yourself simply because you know more about it. Think about a pro verses con list.
Knowledge is power, my friend. Continue learning.
[QUOTE=Bellminator;29100213]They let you use calculators in grade school? I had to work out problems myself all the way up until 9th grade..[/QUOTE]
I started using a calculator in year 10 and now I can't do problems in my head as quickly.
shit sucks :(
[QUOTE=Lust;29102916]By the time we're able to download information directly into our heads, we wont have artificial constraints like jobs, school or economy.
We'll all freely share what we have, hopefully machines will do all the rest, everyone will work together on a single level to better the rest of humanity.
If we reach the level of a 'human cloud' and still have capitalism, then humanity truly has no hope.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you're referring to [url]http://www.thevenusproject.com/[/url]
It's a colorful idea but I can guarantee you that we'll never achieve harmony like that without a few hundred million people dying because, to the powers at hand in today's world, that would be a nightmare that they will fight to prevent.
But hey who knows.
[QUOTE=Combine_dumb;29103247]Sounds like you're referring to [url]http://www.thevenusproject.com/[/url]
It's a colorful idea but I can guarantee you that we'll never achieve harmony like that without a few hundred million people dying because, to the powers at hand in today's world, that would be a nightmare that they will fight to prevent.
But hey who knows.[/QUOTE]
the fuck is that site
[QUOTE=CMDBob;29103078]Your school was a shit place then, as we were ALWAYS told Phones off, in a bag. We even had non-calculator exams, and (unbelievably, we had PAPER BASED IT A LEVEL EXAMS. Yeah.)
Just because you use a calculator doesn't mean you can't understand the underlying problems behind a problem. If you can't, that means you were either taught the skills badly or didn't practise them. Having a calculator is NO excuse.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understood correctly, either that or I was descriptive enough.
Yes we used paper and books all throughout primary school and high school, amazing huh.
And yes, we were also told to not use calculators in most tests, phones were also banned in the classroom and as you should know, rules get broken everyday.
Hence cheating.
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[QUOTE=ChristopherB;29102404]The current world population is approximately 7 billion, not 3. Food shortages and limited resources are a genuine concern though.
Isolating children from technology isn't the answer. What you really want is to teach self-control and the drive to succeed. You clearly lacked both and that is why you have failed thus far; be man enough to accept that technology is not a valid excuse for the failures of children in classrooms including yourself.[/QUOTE]
I heard on a TED Conference that the worlds population was 3bn a few months ago.
My opinion wasn't to try and get children completely isolated from technology, just make it less accessible in the class, you can try to teach kids to want to strive but no two humans are the same and there will be those who wont care to try and succeed in all subjects.
Heh, I wouldn't exactly call myself a failure in any regard and I dont necessarily blame technology itself, I blame a lack of better schooling methods, stricter policies and such.
Yes, you can tell a class full of children that mobile phones aren't allowed, so what? you cant check them, and more than likely, that request would've fallen onto deaf-ears.
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By the way, let me apologise now and in advance if my replies aren't making any sense I havnt slept in a while.
The population's still 7bn, not 3bn.
OP, there is a significant difference between being able to regurgitate an answer that you looked up on your mobile phone, and being able to process and apply that knowledge.
Also, in year 11 and 12, we have calculator-free math exams, in addition to the graphics-calculator exams.
I'm not surprised you failed year 12, obviously since you don't know what paragraphs are
[QUOTE=Ignyte;29103454]I blame a lack of better schooling methods, stricter policies and such.
Yes, you can tell a class full of children that mobile phones aren't allowed, so what? you cant check them, and more than likely, that request would've fallen onto deaf-ears.
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So what, it's the schools fault that children weren't taught by their parents to value an education, and wasted time in class/took the easy way out?
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;29104194]I'm not surprised you failed year 12, obviously since you don't know what paragraphs are[/QUOTE]
I didn't fail yr12, the Technical College that I was attending closed down. I went onto TAFE studies instead.
I'm terribly sorry that my poor typing skills offend you.
[QUOTE=Ignyte;29104229]I didn't fail yr12, the Technical College that I was attending closed down. I went onto TAFE studies instead.
I'm terribly sorry that my poor typing skills offend you.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but not too many people consider TAFE a great success, considering you don't need an extremely high ATAR for some Uni's (eg VU)
Before calculators we had books with all the values for sin, cos, tan etc. Technology speeds up some things, but ultimately you still need to be clever and/or pay attention at school to do well. Just because you have technology doesn't mean you have to use it all the time.
[QUOTE=Ignyte;29104229]I'm terribly sorry that my poor typing skills offend you.[/QUOTE]
It's okay bro, we cool
:respek:
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;29104436]It's okay bro, we cool
:respek:[/QUOTE]
schweet!
While I agree that we rely too much on technology, I've heard a certain argument as well: if technology is advancing too fast, then the model of education we use should be "upgraded", if you will, so that you can use technology while still being able to do things on your own.
Here's an example: say you are given an e-textbook on physics and a worksheet about momentum. Given a paper textbook, you'd have to find the chapter titled "momentum" and read that chapter and write down the answers you find along the way. With an e-textbook, you could use a find function to find your answer instantly. Seems more useful than reading, rereading then re-rereading til you find the answer.
But that won't ever happen.
I'm somewhat late to the discussion, but I would be quite interested to know which school OP goes to, one that doesn't have a rule of "turn off your phone in class, don't bring it to exams or you fail". Possibly it's just in England where that happens, but I am still curious.
[QUOTE=AmericanInfantry;29104972]While I agree that we rely too much on technology, I've heard a certain argument as well: if technology is advancing too fast, then the model of education we use should be "upgraded", if you will, so that you can use technology while still being able to do things on your own.
Here's an example: say you are given an e-textbook on physics and a worksheet about momentum. Given a paper textbook, you'd have to find the chapter titled "momentum" and read that chapter and write down the answers you find along the way. With an e-textbook, you could use a find function to find your answer instantly. Seems more useful than reading, rereading then re-rereading til you find the answer.
But that won't ever happen.[/QUOTE]
But that defeats the purpose of learning.
Instead of reading the text-books over and over again, and absorbing the entire information, they seek the answer to a set of questions. That is not learning. that is merely an exercise to practice searching for an answer.
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[QUOTE=Askaris;29105677]I'm somewhat late to the discussion, but I would be quite interested to know which school OP goes to, one that doesn't have a rule of "turn off your phone in class, don't bring it to exams or you fail". Possibly it's just in England where that happens, but I am still curious.[/QUOTE]
I've said this a number of times now, just like in your schools, phones wernt allowed, but that didnt stop students from bringing them in on the sly...
Well, can you really fault the technology for kids covertly using them, negatively impacting their technology?
Surely the kids are responsible?
You would be surprised.
I learned something today thanks to technology. I learned what an Archimede's screw was.
Thanks technology!
Although I almost completely disagree with the OP, there are some good points there. In my school, we used to use analog multimeters instead of digital ones. As some of you might know, using an analog one includes some tedious maths every time you want to measure something, and with the digital one, you just select what you want to measure and you're done.
Another example I have - We used to have to make all the schematics and all designs on paper, following a really complicated set of rules of each line and dot. In my real practice now, I have never needed to use paper in my designs. All is done on AutoCad. I'm still baffled why we weren't taught on it.
These are my two cents, from personal experience.
I've noticed that schools got more difficult as I grew older but now that I think about it I'm not sure if they were trying to compensate for being older = smarter so we needed more difficulty to learn or if they made it difficult just because I could now use a search engine for all the answers whereas before I'd be lucky if the library had the right book for me to get the answers from.
Not everyone is a douche bag cheater. Many work their asses off to get decent exam results. Plus if you get caught cheating then the exam agency fucks you over and won't let you take any more exams, making cheating pointless.
[QUOTE=Chopstick;29107406]I've noticed that schools got more difficult as I grew older but now that I think about it I'm not sure if they were trying to compensate for being older = smarter so we needed more difficulty to learn or if they made it difficult just because I could now use a search engine for all the answers whereas before I'd be lucky if the library had the right book for me to get the answers from.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone was trying to compensate for anything - it's just the automatic assumption that the older you are, the more you remember (absolute bullshit if you ask me). I remember my history lessons being 7-10 pages long each with little useful and easy to remember information - it was all just facts, more facts, no arguments or explanations, only facts.
Whats the song recognition software?
[QUOTE=TheForeigner;29107740]Whats the song recognition software?[/QUOTE]
Wrong thread, mate, but I'm guessing it's Tunatic.
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