The decline of Music in modern society. - General

[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;16566773] If the mainstream music sucked it wouldn't BE mainstream. I don't care if you think the general public is stupid or how rebellious and different you/your tastes are, the music is good. Listen to it. No, for real. Otherwise you're being ignorant and that's only getting you respect from the familiar crowd of ignorant junkies that complain about the fact unorthodox things need to be brought into society.[/QUOTE] No, I understand that whether music is good or not is subjective but you can argue whether a certain piece of music took more musical talent to create than another. I could throw together a threw riffs and make a rock song but could I compose and orchestrate a symphony? And a lot of mainstream pop music is bullshit made in a studio by some dude with a computer and some woman/man singing over it. For the money and cos the masses lap it up. Oh and thanks for stereotyping me as a junky. I've never even touched an illegal drug in my life.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;16567964]No i listen to alot of different rock too, some metal too actually. LastFM is it a site? Gotta google it, thanks for the tip =) [editline]09:32PM[/editline] Checked it out, but didn't find any mordern stuff of the genres =/[/QUOTE][url]http://www.last.fm/tag/modern+jazz[/url]

[quote]Checked it out, but didn't find any mordern stuff of the genres =/ [/quote] Look up your favorite artists and look through the suggested artists.

[QUOTE=Ian D;16569010][url]http://www.last.fm/tag/modern+jazz[/url][/QUOTE] I do know some good mordern jazz. It's not the same as the older jazz though. But i have a heard time finding good mordern RnB, Soul, Blues, and alot of that 50's, 60's and 70's rock =/ [editline]10:36PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Doriol;16569027]Look up your favorite artists and look through the suggested artists.[/QUOTE] Still can't find anything mordern =/

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;16569074]I do know some good mordern jazz. It's not the same as the older jazz though. But i have a heard time finding good mordern RnB, Soul, Blues, and alot of that 50's, 60's and 70's rock =/[/QUOTE]Ok, so you complain about not being able to find modern jazz and then when I give you a link with modern jazz to check out, instead of checking out some of the artists, you disregard the link, saying that modern jazz "isn't the same" as older jazz. Makes perfect sense.

[QUOTE=Ian D;16569149]Ok, so you complain about not being able to find modern jazz and then when I give you a link with modern jazz to check out, instead of checking out some of the artists, you disregard the link, saying that modern jazz "isn't the same" as older jazz. Makes perfect sense.[/QUOTE] I didn't mean that last part as a bad thing, and i didn't complain about not finding mordern jazz.

New metal is awesome. Old metal is boring.

Music is personal, the definition of "good" music varies from person to person and nothing you can argue will make them stop liking it. Music doesn't become "bad" it just evolves.

[QUOTE=sp00ks;16570652]New metal is awesome. Old metal is boring.[/QUOTE] it's more simplified and boring if anything btw I think you mean "nu metal" because that's what people that like that genre decided would be a good name for it

[QUOTE=Thorny;16554044]C: The Rat Race - Humanity is nowadays always trying to find ways to make things quicker, less time spent on anything. When was the last time you sat down and actually listened to your music properly? No, I don't mean while playing a game or such, I mean simply sitting there, with no distractions, and just listening. I recommend you try it. Most music nowadays can be listened to just in the background while doing some other task - you don't even listen to it, it's just a comforting buzz in your headphones.[/QUOTE] This is one of the reasons I like audiosurf, it allows me to actually 'listen' to my music [B]and[/B] be doing something else.

Well you can just play any other video game at all and listen to music huh

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;16574677]Well you can just play any other video game at all and listen to music huh[/QUOTE] But with audiosurf, the music [B]is[/B] the game, so by playing it i'm listening to it.

[QUOTE=sp00ks;16570652]New metal is awesome. Old metal is boring.[/QUOTE] Both new and Old Metal are boring. It's people who play way to much guitar, but can't learn how to write music. They slam away at notes as fast as they can, all the while makings stupid, overly deep voices; without any harmony, real chord progression on the instruments, or any good aspects of music such as rhythm and beat. It's a waste of skill. Metal is only really good for video game tracks.

I'm finding myself listening to music with more instruments. Mainstream is all rhythm. guitar bass and singing should be separate. I now like Beirut. Also loved jazz and Dave Mathews.

[QUOTE=Moosey Fate!;16566902]Now go do something on your own, without help from your posse, without a program where you use the same repetitive beats over and over and over again.[/QUOTE] Oh no, musical phrases that repeat themselves This has never happened before music is doomed

There is no decline, only progress. Every piece of music has a meaning, from the 50s to present day. Soulja boy sucks anyways, never use him as an example for music.

There is a thread about Attack Attack!... enough said.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16567029]u mad?[/QUOTE] no not really, just a little disappointed in the stupidity of some people [editline]03:26AM[/editline] [QUOTE=TurtlePower;16568943]No, I understand that whether music is good or not is subjective but you can argue whether a certain piece of music took more musical talent to create than another. I could throw together a threw riffs and make a rock song but could I compose and orchestrate a symphony? And a lot of mainstream pop music is bullshit made in a studio by some dude with a computer and some woman/man singing over it. For the money and cos the masses lap it up. Oh and thanks for stereotyping me as a junky. I've never even touched an illegal drug in my life.[/QUOTE] Symphonies are different. I also don't like a lot of those REALLY old classical music pieces. I don't like anything at all of what the OP said was "good" music. Yes, the masses "lap up" music because they like it. Music today isn't about "l tihis that stupid love song made by a christian," it's generally stuff you'd rock out to at a concert or a club and could do so for hours. It's full of energy and a lot of today's pop is electronica, which in itself is pretty much a fully energetic genre (but not 100% of the time) By the way, junkie doesn't necessarily mean druggie. It can also mean someone arrogant, clingy, obsessive/addicted to certain things. That's how I use it.

Mr. Bubbles, Thorny is scaring me!

For every generation, there is always going to be a lot of horrible music or songs that just don't suite your taste. There is nothing you can do to prevent this from happening. Yes, in this modern society there are a lot more horrible songs than there were in the 1950s, but there are a lot songs [i]altogether[/i]. There are hundreds of thousands of more songs now than there were in the 1950s. Music quality hasn't necessarily declined as a whole, it's just that amount of bad music has increased dramatically (along with the amount of all songs, good or bad) since the 1950s.

I HATE RAP! and quite alot of the music coming out now but maily rap. The best new music ive heard is placebo and muse.

[QUOTE=Monkeytracks;16577216]I HATE RAP! and quite alot of the music coming out now but maily rap. The best new music ive heard is placebo and muse.[/QUOTE] You only hate rap because you don't know what rap is. Also, Muse isn't anything new. They're from '94. Placebo as well is from '94. They both have like five or six/around that amount of albums.

I don't know how anybody can in their right mind deny that music has gotten 500% more shitty in the past 10 years.

Yes, there's more bad music than a long time ago but you can't forget there's also more good music. There's a gazillion more artists now than before, some good and bad. Music has grown at a proportional rate - everyone knows what it is now and a ton of people enjoy it, whether it be making it or listening to it. Some do it for money, some do it to make others happy (this is seen less from commercial artists, but that is substituted by stimulating the economy). You just have to look, that's all. There is bad music now, but there was bad music "back then" too.

[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;16576784]no not really, just a little disappointed in the stupidity of some people [editline]03:26AM[/editline] Symphonies are different. I also don't like a lot of those REALLY old classical music pieces. I don't like anything at all of what the OP said was "good" music. Yes, the masses "lap up" music because they like it. Music today isn't about "l tihis that stupid love song made by a christian," it's generally stuff you'd rock out to at a concert or a club and could do so for hours. It's full of energy and a lot of today's pop is electronica, which in itself is pretty much a fully energetic genre (but not 100% of the time) By the way, junkie doesn't necessarily mean druggie. It can also mean someone arrogant, clingy, obsessive/addicted to certain things. That's how I use it.[/QUOTE] I am none of those things you described junkie to mean. I completely understand that there is no "good" or "bad" music since it's a subjective thing and different people like different things. But what I want to get at is that there IS a difference in musical talent required to create certain kinds of music, generally speaking. That doesn't make certain kinds of music better than others. I think when some people say "good" they mean "took a lot of time and effort and thought to make", which confuses others. With the electronica and stuff that's often played in clubs, I personally wouldn't listen to them by choice because I don't like it but in a club I really couldn't care less, I'm just there for a good time. It's great for dancing to but to listen to properly I just don't find that kind of music deep enough. Hmm, I don't think symphonies are different, it's still music.

[QUOTE=Thorny;16554044] A: Society is getting dumber - it's undeniable, with the brainless junk we have in today's media (as an example) humanity is degrading in terms of intellectuality.[/QUOTE] No I don't believe that. You want to believe that because it elevates you above the so-called chavs which you pretty much prove [QUOTE=Thorny;16554044]This kind of thing appeals to the lowest-common-denominators in society, the council - house 'chavs'.[/QUOTE] right there. Sorry, you aren't the human god you think you are. [QUOTE=Thorny;16554044]B: Computerization - don't get me wrong, I love technology, but it has given us synthesizing (as an example) which means people don't need to play instruments to make music any more. [/QUOTE] That's disgusting. Some of the most beautiful music is synthesized. Kraftwerk and Jean Michael Jarre are not good just because their wavelengths have a different source? [QUOTE=Thorny;16554044]Any moron with a keyboard can make millions from his tracks (lookin' at you Soulja Boy).[/QUOTE] You don't like him, so he's a moron. Us or Them mentality. Again you elevate yourself. You seem self-conscious. [QUOTE=Thorny;16554044]C: The Rat Race - Humanity is nowadays always trying to find ways to make things quicker, less time spent on anything. When was the last time you sat down and actually listened to your music properly? No, I don't mean while playing a game or such, I mean simply sitting there, with no distractions, and just listening. I recommend you try it.[/QUOTE] Yeah I "listen" to my music. :smug: Look at how sophisticated I am. [QUOTE=Thorny;16554044]Most music nowadays can be listened to just in the background while doing some other task - you don't even listen to it, it's just a comforting buzz in your headphones. [/QUOTE] It's not made for that purpose, you can't blame anyone for putting music in the background. This thread is terrible because the OP really just wants everyone to know how counter-culture and smart he is. [editline]03:39AM[/editline] [QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;16578088]I don't know how anybody can in their right mind deny that music has gotten 500% more shitty in the past 10 years.[/QUOTE] Stop being so snotty. [editline]03:40AM[/editline] [QUOTE=TurtlePower;16578211] I completely understand that there is no "good" or "bad" music since it's a subjective thing and different people like different things. But what I want to get at is that there IS a difference in musical talent required to create certain kinds of music, generally speaking. That doesn't make certain kinds of music better than others. I think when some people say "good" they mean "took a lot of time and effort and thought to make", which confuses others. [/QUOTE] Musical talent is a lot of things. Some people don't want to learn an instrument and master the art of sampling.

[QUOTE=TurtlePower;16578211]I am none of those things you described junkie to mean. I completely understand that there is no "good" or "bad" music since it's a subjective thing and different people like different things. But what I want to get at is that there IS a difference in musical talent required to create certain kinds of music, generally speaking. That doesn't make certain kinds of music better than others. I think when some people say "good" they mean "took a lot of time and effort and thought to make", which confuses others. With the electronica and stuff that's often played in clubs, I personally wouldn't listen to them by choice because I don't like it but in a club I really couldn't care less, I'm just there for a good time. It's great for dancing to but to listen to properly I just don't find that kind of music deep enough. Hmm, I don't think symphonies are different, it's still music.[/QUOTE] You're right about the normal listening with electronica style stuff. It usually doesn't work too good but it's best with distraction since it's mainly repeated beats/other stuff (no specifics because I'm not looking all that up lol) and not many lyrics. For example, the club thing. Things like videos or playing a game. Music's effect is usually highly amplified when you have other stuff going on. I know symphonies are music, I just don't like a lot of them is all. I'm picky about my music too but I don't like to call any music "bad" out of opinion because it makes people hate me and then they rant on about how rap is "fucking horrible ear melting shit," and how I'm a stupid ignorant asshole without a life or any taste for not liking whatever band it is they were talking about. (not you, just a lot of people seem to be that way towards me)

I don't really think most of today's music won't be remembered and respected in the future.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;16578565]I don't really think most of today's music won't be remembered and respected in the future.[/QUOTE] People who've heard today's music will.

Synthesisers HAVE been used to make good music. See: Depeche Mode. Also your looking at a single genre of music. Whilst i agree that people just listen to music in the background, and im afraid im guilty of doing this sometimes. I try regularly to just sit and listen. I say that Hip-Hop is being over run by whiny little fuck's who have no clue what their doing.