[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;16626440]At least change your avatar before you start picking on others.[/QUOTE]
You have a TF2 fad avatar. You don't really have any room to speak.
A dog's ass is better than any TF2 joke.
[QUOTE=Doriol;16628434]You have a TF2 fad avatar. You don't really have any room to speak.
A dog's ass is better than any TF2 joke.[/QUOTE]
It didn't originate from TF2, and it's not a TF2 fad. The only reason I have it is because it attracts attention due to high speeds.
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[QUOTE=thisispain;16628131]yeah the avatar will change how stupid your posts are
of course[/QUOTE]
Ever use proper English in your posts?
Try it. [b]That[/b] is something that will decide how stupid your posts are.
I'll be honest. I was quite happy to see this thread. The only thing I can do is agree. Although you did make it "sound" like there's NO good music today. I know you aren't saying that though. But you are right. A lot of "hip-hop" is just a waste of time. The only thing I learn from it, is that everyone is poor, and girls deserve to be treated like shit. What a good lesson those teach, huh?
[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;16628812]
Ever use proper English in your posts?
Try it. [b]That[/b] is something that will decide how stupid your posts are.[/QUOTE]
err what, looks like proper english to me
[QUOTE=One Long Sausage;16628870]err what, looks like proper english to me[/QUOTE]
No capitalization, no periods at the end of sentences.
Guys get back to the topic it's a music thread =)
[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;16629034]No capitalization, no periods at the end of sentences.[/QUOTE]
hahaha
[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;16629034]No capitalization, no periods at the end of sentences.[/QUOTE]
sometimes you don't give a fuck about those
And sometimes you do.
And it doesn't fucking matter. As long as the spelling is correct.
[QUOTE=dot_anthem;16554064][img]http://izismile.com/img/img2/20090708/selection_193_71.jpg[/img]
[b]Need I say more?[/b][/QUOTE]
That pretty much sums up all of modern music today. :(
But there is still plenty of decent musicians out there
[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;16629034]No capitalization, no periods at the end of sentences.[/QUOTE]
that's punctuation son not english
Punctuation isn't indicative of intelligence. Look at me for example.
[QUOTE=One Long Sausage;16629410]that's punctuation son not english[/QUOTE]
Idiot.
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[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;16628812]
Ever use proper English in your posts?
Try it. [b]That[/b] is something that will decide how stupid your posts are.[/QUOTE]
no not really
I can type like this in any situation that requires it, but it's pretty obvious that the terribleness of your posts isn't masked by any punctuation, grammar, or spelling.
In other words, stop posting.
[QUOTE=Hammertime;16619861]Okay, it's not only looks that matter, that was maybe a bit short, it's something that they select these people on, but it's certainly NOT talent or innovative ideas. Paris Hilton, Lil' John, Soulja Boy, 50 cent (and don't forget that IF these guys make something good, they usually have a great producer), Green Day, ... The list goes on.[/QUOTE]
Lil Jon is a great producer, 50 Cent's not bad, and Soulja Boy presented and marketed himself well, even if his song wasn't very good. Paris Hilton's not a musician. Green Day I don't know anything about.
[QUOTE=Hammertime;16619861]The list goes on. Why are these people so popular? Because of their celebrity-state[/QUOTE]
They're popular because they're celebrities? That doesn't make sense.
[QUOTE=Hammertime;16619861]their background that speaks to young people (gangsterz & da hood)[/QUOTE]
I can probably name a hundred rappers who rap about "da hood" as you so savvily put it who don't chart.
[QUOTE=Hammertime;16619861]their empty unoriginal lyrics that give the listeners a feeling of intellectuality or subversiveness[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming you're talking about Green Day here. Can't speak on that.
[QUOTE=Hammertime;16619861]the list goes on, but you have to admit that talent, innovation or creativity are NOT the main criteria to select these people.[/QUOTE]
Talent is only an aptitude for music, not skill. And technical skill doesn't produce enjoyable songs as a rule. Neither does innovation.
[QUOTE=Hammertime;16619861]But hey, that's commercial music, there's plenty of other stuff out there, I just ignore this shit.[/QUOTE]
It shows. I don't think any of the artists you named have charted this year.
[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;16629034]No capitalization, no periods at the end of sentences.[/QUOTE]
lol
Hah, you know you're raging enough when you spend two posts in a row being butthurt.
[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;16630128]Idiot.
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thanks, i try
[QUOTE=TH89;16630313]
Talent is only an aptitude for music, not skill. And technical skill doesn't produce enjoyable songs as a rule. Neither does innovation.
It shows. I don't think any of the artists you named have charted this year.[/QUOTE]
Music is more than just technical skill, the artist also needs a certain feel with music (it's hard to explain, but it can come with talent), and that IS something that is required to produce enjoyable songs. Music also needs sincerity, and that's something that lots of commercial music lacks...
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[QUOTE=TH89;16630313]Lil Jon is a great producer, 50 Cent's not bad, and Soulja Boy presented and marketed himself well, even if his song wasn't very good.
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Are we talking about good musicianship, or good marketing skills?
[QUOTE=TH89;16630313]
I can probably name a hundred rappers who rap about "da hood" as you so savvily put it who don't chart.
[/quote]
Sure you can, but I wasn't talking about ALL rap...
[QUOTE=Hammertime;16631534]Music is more than just technical skill, the artist also needs a certain feel with music (it's hard to explain, but it can come with talent), and that IS something that is required to produce enjoyable songs.[/QUOTE]
Songwriting skill!
That's why people like T-Pain and Lady Gaga got popular (although Lady Gaga is pretty good at music in general so that's not the greatest example)
[QUOTE=Hammertime;16631534]Music also needs sincerity, and that's something that lots of commercial music lacks...[/QUOTE]
I agree that a lot of commercial music lacks it (by commercial I assume you mean charting, since anyone who charges for an album is technically a commercial artist) but I wouldn't say it's a necessity for ALL music. A Bruce Willis movie doesn't have to be emotionally sincere to be enjoyable, for example.
[QUOTE=Hammertime;16631534]Are we talking about good musicianship, or good marketing skills?[/QUOTE]
Musicianship in Lil Jon's case. 50 Cent is musically all over the mediocre range, but he's got charisma.
Soulja Boy's a fluke--my understanding is that he gained a lot of popularity democratically online, then the TIs propelled him the rest of the way. I can't account for him. But keep in mind that he hasn't had a really successful song since Crank Dat.
[QUOTE=Hammertime;16631534]Sure you can, but I wasn't talking about ALL rap...[/quote]
You said they were successful because they rap about being criminals, I pointed out there's a lot of rappers who do that who aren't successful. There's also a bunch of rappers who don't rap about being criminals who ARE successful, so I don't think that's the reason.
ITT people critisize hip hop but have probably never heard a good hip hop album in their lives.
There's very little rap I actually listen to, I'm not a big fan of it. I listen mostly to alternative rock and what could be called screamo. Most of what I listen to conveys some kinds of message about politics/the world/mankind. I don't tend to listen to/like love songs, songs about drugs, songs about how rich/arrogant the artist is, or how far they've made it in "the scene". This reflects on the music I write (I apparently can't sing it, but I can write it); I write about politics, world issues, and sometimes technology (though I haven't written one about technology in about a year). I personally don't like much classical music, which basically means made before the '90s. I like some songs from the '80s, and maybe 1 from the '60s. The only really classical thing I sorta like is Swing Music. I don't feel music has gone on a decline at all, rather improved, as now it's deviating away from sending messages about sex, drugs, relationships, and killing and moving on to world issues and politics, things with a meaning.
[QUOTE=TH89;16611360]The record labels doing more work means they have [i]less[/i] money, dear.[/QUOTE]
i disagree with that 110%, Dear.
By "doing more work" I mean the kind of work that doesn't do anything but run up overhead costs, like training people to be musicians.
[QUOTE=TH89;16639424]By "doing more work" I mean the kind of work that doesn't do anything but run up overhead costs, like training people to be musicians.[/QUOTE]
K i was like.. uhhhh ?
But yeah makes sense.
This thread should be titled "The decline of [B]Popular[/B] Music in modern society."
[QUOTE=Risonhighmer;16639517]This thread should be titled "The decline of [B]Popular[/B] Music in modern society."[/QUOTE]
Roger that dude..
[QUOTE=TH89;16636981]
You said they were successful because they rap about being criminals, I pointed out there's a lot of rappers who do that who aren't successful. There's also a bunch of rappers who don't rap about being criminals who ARE successful, so I don't think that's the reason.[/QUOTE]
It is [B]a[/B] reason... It's just a subject that seems to come forward a lot, and lots of adolescents dig this stuff...
But not rapping about that is [b]a[/b] reason Kid Cudi is popular, so there's gotta be something more meaningful at work here
Well not all music popular for the same reason... Like I said before there are different types of popular music, and all of these speak to different groups, but in general it seems that there IS some sort of huge corporate marketing machine that decides what is popular and what not, and a big group of people don't mind that and bleat along.
And remember I'm not talking about ALL music, so of course there are tons of exceptions...
[QUOTE=Hammertime;16640873]Well not all music popular for the same reason... Like I said before there are different types of popular music, and all of these speak to different groups, but in general it seems that there IS some sort of huge corporate marketing machine that decides what is popular and what not, and a big group of people don't mind that.
And remember I'm not talking about ALL music, so of course there are tons of exceptions...[/QUOTE]
Agreed
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