Bigoted Am I; A Discussion on Racism, Homosexuality, and Humor - General

[QUOTE=TBFundy;30764834]No, but it's very common fact that: 1. Different is scary 2. Your mind has a habit of associate actions with different things It's animal instinct. If an animal saw a poisonous butterfly, he wouldn't eat it because he knows the butterfly will poison him. If he sees a squirrel, he'll eat it, because he knows the squirrel will feed him.[/QUOTE] what does this have to do with racism

[QUOTE=James*;30766705]what does this have to do with racism[/QUOTE] Subconscious racism; if you grew up surrounded by mainly white people it may lead to you having slight prejudices against other races, and visa versa.

[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;30767055]Subconscious racism; if you grew up surrounded by mainly white people it may lead to you having slight prejudices against other races, and visa versa.[/QUOTE] Well yes but that's not what he said apparently the "mind associating things with things" means people are inherently racist as I said earlier people can make a conscious effort to overcome these prejudices [editline]28th June 2011[/editline] What I'm saying is I don't believe our minds are hardwired to be racist

[quote]Tracy then said he didn't f*cking care if he pissed off some gays, because if they can take a f*cking dick up their ass... they can take a f*cking joke.[/quote] Haha that is good humor, Tracey is a true comedian.

[QUOTE=RopaDope;30767297]Haha that is good humor, Tracey is a true comedian.[/QUOTE] do you honestly think that's funny honestly

[QUOTE=Snail562;30732204]I still don't even understand why Tracy Morgan's 'jokes' were even considered jokes. It's like me going: HEY FUCK BLACK PEOPLE ASIANS TOO THEY'RE ALL A BUNCH OF FAGGOT PRICK PIECES OF SHIT HAHAHAHAHA I'M SO FUCKING FUNNY RIGHT GUYS? I mean for fucks sake his 'jokes' didn't even have punchlines.[/QUOTE] I know I'm a day late, but when I read this I thought of [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6fOmdhYokQ[/media] Everywhere I've lived, I've never seen any serious racism, other than race jokes and the odd redneck complaining about "those dirty niggers/mexicans/asians". I spent a good part of my life living in large cities, never had any exposure to racism during that time period. Guess it's an anomaly.

[QUOTE=Penguiin;30756403]I can't tell you what you can and cannot say. With that being said, I think that you should stop saying these words as it basically puts down LGBT people even if you're using it jokingly. If you identify yourself as LGBT why would you use a hateful word as a joke when you actually get upset at it's actual meaning?[/QUOTE] My point was it's the intent behind what you're saying, being a jackass around your friends isn't bigoted, but insulting two guys holding hands by calling faggots is. Even then, using words like that is in bad taste and not to be used in polite company.

[QUOTE=SomTervo;30768093]do you honestly think that's funny honestly[/QUOTE] Its just a joke, settle down. The African American behaves very differently. And if you don't take the time to understand them then you are the ignorant one from their point of view.

[QUOTE=mrhippieguy;30768365] Everywhere I've lived, I've never seen any serious racism, other than race jokes and the odd redneck complaining about "those dirty niggers/mexicans/asians". I spent a good part of my life living in large cities, never had any exposure to racism during that time period. [/QUOTE] and the fact that you've never experienced racism (taking a leap of faith, as a white guy) means that it doesn't exist? [editline]28th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=RopaDope;30769438]Its just a joke, settle down.[/QUOTE] buuuuut jokes are funny

A racist joke is racist and offensive regardless or whether or not you're called out for it. People who hold the belief that being offensive is okay because "everybody is offended by something lol!" are social pariahs, and it shows.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;30765822]You're right, nigger isn't racist, but it's a offensive term constantly thrown at an oppressed race and it's in poor taste to use it. I don't really get your statement about "fag" not describing gay people. It's still a derogatory term referring to gays. Well, this might be new to you, but do you also realize that some people are also offended by fat jokes, "yo mama" jokes, religion jokes, blonde jokes, and sexist jokes?[/QUOTE] i'm just saying that "fag" has become a socially acceptable adjective that is used by a lot of people not just to describe gay people. And the thing about the other jokes is that even though they may be insulting people still openly say them and get a lot of laughs, whereas black jokes are taboo

[QUOTE=Goodthief;30770321]i'm just saying that "fag" has become a socially acceptable adjective that is used by a lot of people not just to describe gay people. [/QUOTE] Socially acceptable among whom? Straight whites?

[QUOTE=Goodthief;30770321]i'm just saying that "fag" has become a socially acceptable adjective[/QUOTE] in your high school maybe. (also it's a noun)

What you guys fail to realize about people who say things about gay people, is that they simply don't give a fuck and will stick to their beliefs. Even though most of you claim to be intellectually ahead of the general population and today's doomed generation of teenagers. Everyone else is moving ahead in their lives and laughing at you cause you actually worry about things they never think about. I know all of you search for answers but I like to examine the source of the problem. As for my findings there is honestly nothing you can do to influence someone of that nature. Maybe create a safe haven for the victims and accommodate their needs is the best thing available. It worked for black people, and I advise you guys to push the same for gay people.

-Snip- never mind, your post was terribly phrased

[QUOTE=Sanius;30770378]Socially acceptable among whom? Straight whites?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Nerts;30743962]I'm bisexual, but I've got a habit of using faggot, queer, dyke, ect. as joking insults, like if a friend says "Why wont this work for me?", "Because you're a faggot.". I do get offended when someone uses it as an actual insult though.[/QUOTE] Just saying.

[QUOTE=Nerts;30770591]Just saying.[/QUOTE] So straight whites and self-deprecating bisexuals? Thanks for the clarification.

[QUOTE=RopaDope;30770559] Maybe create a safe haven for the victims and accommodate their needs is the best thing available.[/QUOTE] so we should put all gay people on an island? The "safe haven" should be society, not some little enclave that people have to go to to feel safe [QUOTE=RopaDope;30770559] It worked for black people[/QUOTE] bwaaaaaaaaaa????

[QUOTE=Sanius;30770378]Socially acceptable among whom? Straight whites?[/QUOTE] my gay asian friend calls people fags so does my entire yeargroup, I only assumed that everyone else said it so openly

Can't we all just agree that making said jokes is only acceptable around close friends who will understand your intention and understand that you are not actually racist?

[QUOTE=Goodthief;30770777]my gay asian friend calls people fags so does my entire yeargroup, I only assumed that everyone else said it so openly[/QUOTE] yeah that's high school. that shit won't fly in most colleges and many workplaces (also your gay friend doesn't speak for all gay people) [editline]28th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Earthen;30770824]Can't we all just agree that making said jokes is only acceptable around close friends who will understand your intention and understand that you are not actually racist?[/QUOTE] no people should be able to make offensive jokes in public. they just have to be a. funny and b. a little deeper than "haha gay people/black people". as in "not genuinely malicious" (see: louis ck or dave chappelle)

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30770628]so we should put all gay people on an island? The "safe haven" should be society, not some little enclave that people have to go to to feel safe bwaaaaaaaaaa????[/QUOTE] No that is not what i'm saying. Black people tend to stick to their own kind and the smarter ones get ostracized as being "white". Talking properly with no ebonics, wearing normal clothes, and possibly choosing a white woman as a partner. So black people started creating leagues, tv stations (BET), and other organizations (largely african american churches) for themselves. So therefore an entire culture spawned for themselves. Tracey Morgan is an example of someone who has emerged from the black society. What he preaches is homophobia, humiliation, and other derogatory statements against people of other races. The reason he says these things is because that is what black people find funny and that's who his largest audience is. I know why young black males resent their fathers and take out their anger on the world by coming together with people in the same situation creating a "gang". There is an entire mentality that no one here seems to realize and will never take the time to. So what my point is, that we should look at a history of people and apply some of it to the lgbt people of America.

I always pretend and put on this persona (like at all times) that I'm super conceited "hey you're really good at that" "I know, i'm perfect." I'm super racist and super sexist. I'm absolutely none of those (ok maybe a little sexist) but I do it because its funny and people get super pissed. Offensive humor is the only fun humor.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;30769549]and the fact that you've never experienced racism (taking a leap of faith, as a white guy) means that it doesn't exist? [/QUOTE] No, I meant that my experience must be an anomaly. I've experienced it directly. I've heard stories about how it is, but never seen one of these situations with my own eyes, other than said rednecks. I'm not denying their existence.

[QUOTE=RopaDope;30771107]No that is not what i'm saying. Black people tend to stick to their own kind and the smarter ones get ostracized as being "white". Talking properly with no ebonics, wearing normal clothes, and possibly choosing a white woman as a partner. So black people started creating leagues, tv stations (BET), and other organizations (largely african american churches) for themselves. So therefore an entire culture spawned for themselves. Tracey Morgan is an example of someone who has emerged from the black society. What he preaches is homophobia, humiliation, and other derogatory statements against people of other races. The reason he says these things is because that is what black people find funny and that's who his largest audience is. I know why young black males resent their fathers and take out their anger on the world by coming together with people in the same situation creating a "gang". There is an entire mentality that no one here seems to realize and will never take the time to. So what my point is, that we should look at a history of people and apply some of it to the lgbt people of America.[/QUOTE] Many poor people are associated with crime, especially gangs. The reason why they're poor is because an employer would pick a guy who speaks and dresses properly over a guy who speaks ebonics and doesn't dress properly, regardless of skill. They can't get better clothing since they are poor, so they have to resort to crime. Are you trying to say that "black culture" is filled with ignorant people who act trashy? Oh boy, you are so wrong. [QUOTE=Goodthief;30770321]i'm just saying that "fag" has become a socially acceptable adjective that is used by a lot of people not just to describe gay people. And the thing about the other jokes is that even though they may be insulting people still openly say them and get a lot of laughs, whereas black jokes are taboo[/QUOTE] I think you're trying to say that it isn't directed at gay people. But it still has the same meaning. [QUOTE=RopaDope;30770559]What you guys fail to realize about people who say things about gay people, is that they simply don't give a fuck and will stick to their beliefs. Even though most of you claim to be intellectually ahead of the general population and today's doomed generation of teenagers. Everyone else is moving ahead in their lives and laughing at you cause you actually worry about things they never think about. I know all of you search for answers but I like to examine the source of the problem. As for my findings there is honestly nothing you can do to influence someone of that nature. Maybe create a safe haven for the victims and accommodate their needs is the best thing available. It worked for black people, and I advise you guys to push the same for gay people.[/QUOTE] Well, maybe safe havens worked for slaves, but not in the 1950's when black people were hosed down. They protested.

[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;30765853](replying to sink) Not really, yes it is more cruel than them being stunned, but it isn't like they are being tortured for minutes, its a few seconds. Western societies would have used the same methods 30/40 years ago.[/QUOTE] Do you even know how halal and kosher slaughters are carried out? It's fucking disgusting I tell you, and that's because I've seen them first hand. It's doesn't just last for a few seconds, because they actually just slit the throat of the animal and leave it writhing till it dies. Whole process takes a few minutes, which is also dependant on the animal they're slaughtering (or should I say, sacrificing). And while I'd like to see the entire meat industry adhere to much more stricter standards, the kind of inhumane treatment of animals doesn't compare to what halal and kosher slaughterhouses do.

[QUOTE=sink257;30772701]Do you even know how halal and kosher slaughters are carried out?[/QUOTE] if it's done properly the animal doesn't suffer pain because a brain hemorrhage puts the animal into shock within seconds. it's not any less humane than normal slaughtering of animals so don't kid yourself

Killing is killing. Dressing it up with nice words like "humane" doesn't change the fact.

[QUOTE=Sanius;30770626]So straight whites and self-deprecating bisexuals? Thanks for the clarification.[/QUOTE] again, I don't understand why "white" is lumped onto that other races use it just as much as we do

Yeah honestly I don't see why we can't have straight pride month or straight pride parades. Damn Obama and his reverse racism slavery