[QUOTE=Stormcharger;37758683]Would you mind clarifying what you mean when you say a proper education about drugs?[/QUOTE]
I mean instead of trying to use scare tactic after scare tactic, actually inform the person why it's bad. That doesn't mean don't use frightening information, but the way the Truth guys do it is almost feels insulting and I think some people won't buy it simply because of the extremes.
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;37754647]Cocaine and Heroine, even when they are stricken of impurities and made into dosages, can be just as dangerous as they are if they were produced safely. Coke, for example, could increase someone's heart rate by massive amounts even if they were healthy and only took a small amount, individual body chemistry dictates that.
[editline]22nd September 2012[/editline]
With heroin, eventually the user comes to tolerate it, and then the dosage needs to grow, and it becomes dangerous. The only way to counteract that would be to take it between large intervals of time.
You don't see people acting responsible with alcohol at all, who is to say they won't be the same way with 'hard' drugs?[/QUOTE]
Actually the problem with opiate tolerance isn't the tolerance itself, it's when someone takes a long break from doing heroin and their tolerance drops but they take their old dose and flood their system.
Well, I still believe that children should still be encouraged not to use drugs in schools, but made aware of the real facts and the real consequences that could happen with using them.
In my area there's quite a few 11-16 year olds with access to drugs and it's pretty disgusting to say the least.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;37769835]Well, I still believe that children should still be encouraged not to use drugs in schools, but made aware of the real facts and the real consequences that could happen with using them.
In my area there's quite a few 11-16 year olds with access to drugs and it's pretty disgusting to say the least.[/QUOTE]
I think even if drugs were legalized/decriminalized, minors wouldn't be allowed to go near them let alone take them and all of the propaganda and anti-drug education such would go with that. We wouldn't have to worry about that.
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;37770054]I think even if drugs were legalized/decriminalized, minors wouldn't be allowed to go near them let alone take them and all of the propaganda and anti-drug education such would go with that. We wouldn't have to worry about that.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call it propaganda, just simple common sense.
Children/teenagers relying on inhaling smoke or injecting chemicals into their body just to be happy for a few minutes is a pathetic sight.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;37770155]I wouldn't call it propaganda, just simple common sense.
Children/teenagers relying on inhaling smoke or injecting chemicals into their body just to be happy for a few minutes is a pathetic sight.[/QUOTE]
Incoming uneducated Aphtonites post
[QUOTE=TamTamJam;37774014]Incoming uneducated Aphtonites post[/QUOTE]
What, so you see [B]childhood/teen[/B] drug usage as a good thing?
Do you even know the difficulties drugs can bring to someone at around that age?
Drugs are something someone should use at a age where they are responsible and aware of what it fully does to them.
It seems like you're just mindlessly defending them since to you believe they are miracle drugs.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;37776149]What, so you see [B]childhood/teen[/B] drug usage as a good thing?
Do you even know the difficulties drugs can bring to someone at around that age?
Drugs are something someone should use at a age where they are responsible and aware of what it fully does to them.[/QUOTE]
Can you remind of of the dependable drugs that you inject/inhale to be happy for a few minutes?
But even if these hard drugs suddenly become safer and regulated there will always be an evil corporation cutting corners and this may lead to accidents
[QUOTE=BFG9000;37777822]But even if these hard drugs suddenly become safer and regulated there will always be an evil corporation cutting corners and this may lead to accidents[/QUOTE]
I imagine when hard drugs that were once illegal become regulated, they'll have heavy rules and regulations regarding sale, unlike tobacco and (to a lesser extent) alcohol.
Way to restate what's already been said
I'm saying DESPITE these regulations there might be some corporations that cut corners on such regulations and as a result there might be mistakes
What I'm saying is that its impossible to be 100% free of risk
Exactly but at least a corporation, in theory, has to be accountable publically as opposed to the faceless black market
On another note, here is an interesting article from New Internationalist for partakers of this thread: [URL]http://www.newint.org/features/2012/09/01/illegal-drugs/[/URL]
those of you arguing for hard drugs to remain in the black market, [B]PLEASE READ THE ABOVE ARTICLE I LINKED TO[/B]
[QUOTE=BFG9000;37780887]Way to restate what's already been said
I'm saying DESPITE these regulations there might be some corporations that cut corners on such regulations and as a result there might be mistakes
What I'm saying is that its impossible to be 100% free of risk[/QUOTE]
Nothing is 100% free of risk. Mistakes happen and in a heavily regulated market, are corrected quickly.
Yea let the crackheads throw their needles everywhere. It would be a huge mistake to legalize it, More people would go insane and become homeless and disgusting, well..... and creepy.
haha oh look we've got another one, TamTamJam, should we bother trying to provide a logical discussion to someone who has read nothing and refuses to read anything (even the previous pages of THIS thread) regarding the topic in hand? I swear some of the people who come in here have worse logic than a blind faith religious nutcase. Hmmm...
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He's either trolling or just stupid so I wouldn't bother either way.
[editline]25th September 2012[/editline]
You can't try and educate [i]everyone,[/i] JustExtreme.
[QUOTE=ballahswe;37794184][b]Yea let the crackheads throw their needles everywhere.[/b] It would be a huge mistake to legalize it, More people would go insane and become homeless and disgusting, well..... and creepy.[/QUOTE]
Drug use and littering are two completely separate issues. Guess which is worse?
[QUOTE=TamTamJam;37796098]He's either trolling or just stupid so I wouldn't bother either way.
[editline]25th September 2012[/editline]
You can't try and educate [i]everyone,[/i] JustExtreme.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, I'm going to keep my eye on this thread but I'm going to try to resist answering any prohibitionist that doesn't' have a solid well thought out and informed argument. You can't make an effort for every numpty who comes by and takes a metaphorical shit on the thread.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;37797405]Indeed, I'm going to keep my eye on this thread but I'm going to try to resist answering any prohibitionist that doesn't' have a solid well thought out and informed argument. You can't make an effort for every numpty who comes by and takes a metaphorical shit on the thread.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I wondered why you've done it up till now.
I think it's because I went through a phase of being obsessed with reading and thinking about this topic a few months ago as I found it very interesting and because of that, coming in here, I felt somehow offended by the ignorance of many and wanted to try to enlighten them. So much for that :)
Yes. I don't think it's the business of the state to regulate what we put in our bodies.
I still think it would be far too much a costly operation
What about disposal of things like packaging and syringes? just throwing them in the trash isn't good enough; what if somebody who wasn't supposed to have access to these things just rifled through a drug user's trash can and snuffed residual crack off of a plastic bag? And also, contamination. I doubt the government is going to stop people with bloodborne diseases from using these drugs, and especially in the case of someone getting these needles and reusing them, this might increase the spread of things like malaria, or AIDS, or Hepatitus B...
And that shit scares me bro ;-;
So in order for this to not happen, the US. Government would have to set up an entire new infrastructure to properly dispose of these things. Is it really worth it?
[QUOTE=BFG9000;37816591]I still think it would be far too much a costly operation
What about disposal of things like packaging and syringes? just throwing them in the trash isn't good enough; what if somebody who wasn't supposed to have access to these things just rifled through a drug user's trash can and snuffed residual crack off of a plastic bag? And also, contamination. I doubt the government is going to stop people with bloodborne diseases from using these drugs, and especially in the case of someone getting these needles and reusing them, this might increase the spread of things like malaria, or AIDS, or Hepatitus B...
And that shit scares me bro ;-;
So in order for this to not happen, the US. Government would have to set up an entire new infrastructure to properly dispose of these things. Is it really worth it?[/QUOTE]
This assumes that there will be a considerable increase in the injection of drugs. Many, many people don't inject drugs. The majority actually. Besides, if clean needles were available to everyone, and there was enough information about the risks of reusing needles, I think people would seek clean needles for their own safety, more often than reusing, or using a friend's needle.
Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I think it could be done if there were enough real harm-reduction campaigns to spread accurate information, and best practices to be safe.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;37816591]I still think it would be far too much a costly operation
What about disposal of things like packaging and syringes? just throwing them in the trash isn't good enough; what if somebody who wasn't supposed to have access to these things just rifled through a drug user's trash can and snuffed residual crack off of a plastic bag? And also, contamination. I doubt the government is going to stop people with bloodborne diseases from using these drugs, and especially in the case of someone getting these needles and reusing them, this might increase the spread of things like malaria, or AIDS, or Hepatitus B...
And that shit scares me bro ;-;
So in order for this to not happen, the US. Government would have to set up an entire new infrastructure to properly dispose of these things. Is it really worth it?[/QUOTE]
There are places where you can trade dirty needles for clean ones already
[QUOTE=BFG9000;37816591]I still think it would be far too much a costly operation
What about disposal of things like packaging and syringes? just throwing them in the trash isn't good enough; what if somebody who wasn't supposed to have access to these things just rifled through a drug user's trash can and snuffed residual crack off of a plastic bag? And also, contamination. I doubt the government is going to stop people with bloodborne diseases from using these drugs, and especially in the case of someone getting these needles and reusing them, this might increase the spread of things like malaria, or AIDS, or Hepatitus B...
And that shit scares me bro ;-;
So in order for this to not happen, the US. Government would have to set up an entire new infrastructure to properly dispose of these things. Is it really worth it?[/QUOTE]
You do realize that this is happening anyways? Are you trying to suggest that syringes aren't being disposed of anyways right now? It's going to happen regardless, your argument has absolutely no relevance whatsoever. If that scares you, you should already be scared, it's already occurring. Again, since it has absolutely no relevance, this is not an argument for why drugs should be illegal, all drugs should be legal, it's already happening, you might as well just allow it to happen, as it's only harming themselves. I don't want to hear anyone say that it's the drugs fault, no, it's personal responsibility, and I really don't know how many times I have to say it, it's already happening underground, all the risks and and excuses people are saying "oh they're going to drive and kill people." People are already on all of these drugs and always will be, fools.
[QUOTE=Cruma;37821773]You do realize that this is happening anyways? Are you trying to suggest that syringes aren't being disposed of anyways right now? It's going to happen regardless, your argument has absolutely no relevance whatsoever. If that scares you, you should already be scared, it's already occurring. Again, since it has absolutely no relevance, this is not an argument for why drugs should be illegal, all drugs should be legal, it's already happening, you might as well just allow it to happen, as it's only harming themselves. I don't want to hear anyone say that it's the drugs fault, no, it's personal responsibility, and I really don't know how many times I have to say it, it's already happening underground, all the risks and and excuses people are saying "oh they're going to drive and kill people." People are already on all of these drugs and always will be, fools.[/QUOTE]
Yea but with the legalization of drugs this problem could explode. And don't start with that "personal responsibility" bullshit because I've met very few, if any, drug users who are responsible about it. And what about people who aren't on these drugs but with the legalization of it they could try them and potentially get hooked on them? This shit isn't pot we're talking about, we're talking about highly addictive substances like crack and heroine
and no, just because some people disagree with you does not make them "fools"
[editline]27th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;37819579]There are places where you can trade dirty needles for clean ones already[/QUOTE]
I'm fully aware but with the legalization of drugs this could lead to just dirty syringes lying around next to public trash cans, in reach of people who honestly shouldn't be able to reach them
now if they could make this needle exchange a government service that would be good but honestly how much would that cost
[QUOTE]You do realize that this is happening anyways? Are you trying to suggest that syringes aren't being disposed of anyways right now? It's going to happen regardless, your argument has absolutely no relevance whatsoever. If that scares you, you should already be scared, it's already occurring. Again, since it has absolutely no relevance, this is not an argument for why drugs should be illegal, all drugs should be legal, it's already happening, you might as well just allow it to happen, as it's only harming themselves. I don't want to hear anyone say that it's the drugs fault, no, it's personal responsibility, and I really don't know how many times I have to say it, it's already happening underground, all the risks and and excuses people are saying "oh they're going to drive and kill people." People are already on all of these drugs and always will be, fools.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;37821925]Yea but with the legalization of drugs this problem could explode. And don't start with that "personal responsibility" bullshit because I've met very few, if any, drug users who are responsible about it. And what about people who aren't on these drugs but with the legalization of it they could try them and potentially get hooked on them? This shit isn't pot we're talking about, we're talking about highly addictive substances like crack and heroine
and no, just because some people disagree with you does not make them "fools"
[editline]27th September 2012[/editline]
I'm fully aware but with the legalization of drugs this could lead to just dirty syringes lying around next to public trash cans, in reach of people who honestly shouldn't be able to reach them
now if they could make this needle exchange a government service that would be good but honestly how much would that cost[/QUOTE]
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Really, you honestly think everything is going to "explode," huh. Yea, I can definitely see the average person going "oh look, heroin is legal now, I definitely should try it, now that it's legal." You're either already doing these drugs or not, you're either someone who is going to do drugs or not, legality is irrelevant, that's why everything might as well be legal. Yes, it is personal responsibility 100%, I know we're talking about pot. I don't care if you're hallucinating the most terrifying of things on x drug, if you didn't safely take the substance in a controlled environment, then it was your own fault, hence personal responsibility.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;37821925]Yea but with the legalization of drugs this problem could explode. And don't start with that "personal responsibility" bullshit because [b]I've met very few, if any, drug users who are responsible about it.[/b] And what about people who aren't on these drugs but with the legalization of it they could try them and potentially get hooked on them? This shit isn't pot we're talking about, we're talking about highly addictive substances like crack and heroine[/QUOTE]
You most likely have met many drug users, but the only ones that get the attention are the irresponsible ones. Many people use drugs responsibly, and they also happen to be the ones who usually don't advertise it.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;37821925]I'm fully aware but with the legalization of drugs this could lead to just dirty syringes lying around next to public trash cans, in reach of people who honestly shouldn't be able to reach them
now if they could make this needle exchange a government service that would be good but honestly how much would that cost[/QUOTE]
Dirty syringes are already being left next to trash cans, in parks, on the street. Have you ever visited a large city?
About the cost, how much are we already spending on treating those who contract a disease, or require emergency hospital visits, and don't have insurance? We all pay for those people. If we made the risk of personal harm lower, I think it may be possible to come out spending less. It's cheaper to give out syringes than provide treatments or perform surgeries.
There's also the added bonus that needle exchange programs offer a safe place to discard dirty needles so that the public does not have to be exposed to it.
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